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Phestos Discus

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posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 02:07 AM
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Just read up on the Phestos Discus, only in books, I'm getting a big fat 0 online. Anyway... it seems to be something tied into Atlantis. According to these books, the greeks and the atlantians were tied in, also according to the books, the hieroglyphic signs have not yet been translated. I have a clay version of the Disc here with me right now from the Museum of Heraclion Crete, which was given to me by my dad.

When my scanner works I will get images of this disc on. But, until then... I can't find much info on the disc online. Can someone point me in the right direction? I've tried google and no joy. Anyone with an idea?




posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 09:57 AM
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well yes i my self have researched it online and found some things ill look for them again but i believe it is spelled phaistos but im probably wrong hold on ill get you something.

i think the phestos disc is different but here is this from WOS's site
www.subversiveelement.com...



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 09:48 PM
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www.geocities.com...
This website claims that it couldn't be translated because it was being treated like Greek linear A, when it is actually Hittite pictograms, which would be read right to left, bottom to top, the exact reverse of Greek.

Can anybody comment on the accuracy of this?


1. In the royal house .... is a (young) prince who didn't yet come into power
. His specialty is the scull.
2. We, a group of subjects, start by marching through the woods.
3. We have got with us metal ( ? ), a barbed spear of metal, fire and some
idols of the god of the flat land which cannot yet take effect, because we are
still without the protection of a priest.
4. The prince with the sculls becomes the head of the group.
5. He brings with him fire, a "fork" [that gives him access to the god Shamash]
and a hammer.
6. We go on through the wood and now we have the protection of a priest.
7. He protects us indicating the best route by means of a horn and the flight of eagles.
The route leads to the south with a slight deviation to the west.
8. A woman is accompanying us, she brings with her a "fork" and a "saucer",
[both give her access to certain gods], and timber.
9. We need the god of the flat land to find flat land for timber (timber-work), for the
poultry and for cages. The protection of the priest is a help to us.
10. The route leads to the east, as the priest, protecting us, indicates by means of
a horn (horns) and the flight of eagles.
11. One group goes on through pasture-land (wet land).
12. They have timber, a hammer and sculls for a boat and cross the water. They go
upstream. The water is smooth, the priest animates the god of the flat land.
13. The route leads west, as the priest, protecting us, indicates by means of a
horn (horns) and the flight of eagles.
14. There is (wood for) a hammer and there is fish.
15. We have got with us metal ( ?) a barbed spear of metal, fire and some
idols of the god of the flat land which now take effect, because there
is the protection of the priest.
16. The route leads to the west, as the priest, protecting us, indicates by means of
a horn (horns) and the flight of eagles.
17. Our group (also) goes then through wetland (pasture-land).
18. We have timber, a hammer and sculls for a boat and cross the water. We go
upstream. The water is smooth, the priest animates the god of the flat land.
19. A boat is shipwrecked due to the god of the weather.
20. The prince from our royal house has survived, just as the hammer and the poultry,
we still have the protection of the priest.
21. There is land with a well and clay, we ramble through the neighborhood.
22. There is fire for a "fork" of clay [to get access to the god] and we are protected
by the priest.
23. By means of fire, a horn and the flight of eagles is indicated the direccion.
The route leads to the south with a slight deviation to the east.
24. [The first pictogram is illegible]. There is the timber (timber-work) of the woman
and the protection of the priest.
25. After a fight we take possession of a peninsula of this shape. It is flat.
26. There is protection thanks to an island, [it is Chios], the water is smooth.
27. There is fish and there is a well. We dismiss the priest as our protector.
28. We call upon the god of the starry sky and are guided by the constellation
Canis. This is its position. A few years pass by.
29. We are on an island. This is the position of Canis.
30. There is protection thanks to a well and there is a structure (pigeon-house).
31. There is (we need) timber and we go into the woods under protection
of the priest.

32(1). We are on an island.
33(2). We take the boat and go downstream. The water hammers at the boat. We
call upon the god of the starry sky and are guided by the constellation Canis.
34(3). We reach a piece of land. The water hammers at the land. There is fire thanks
to the woman and she pushes the priest aside.
35(4). There is land with timber due to the god of the weather. The god of the
vegetation is operating here, the land is very fertile (?).
36(5). The other group fights for the possession of land that isn't very
accessible. This is the position of Canis. Here some settle down.
37(6). There is a structure (pigeon-house), there is timber and (wood for)
a hammer. There is land.
38(7). We are on an island, there is land.
39(8). There is (wood for) fire and timber and land.
40(9). We take the boat and go upstream. The water hammers at the boat.
We call upon the god of the starry sky and the god of the flat land.
41(10). Our group fights for the possession of land that isn't very accessible.
We are not that strong. This is the position of Canis.
Here some settle down.
42(11). We are on an island. This is the position of Canis.
43(12). We go through a wood and after a fight we take possession of it.
This is the position of Canis.
44(13). The other group fights for the possession of land that isn't very accessible.
This is the position of Canis.
45(14). We go on through flat land that is very fertile (?), thanks to the priest.
46(15). There is fish due to the god of the weather. There is poultry and there is
fire thanks to the woman.
47(16). We go on through water abounding in fish. This is the position
of Canis.
48(17). There is timber and (wood for) cages and arrows.
49(18). There is flint to make fire. There are some structures ( pigeon-houses).
This is the position of Canis.
50(19). We go through the territory of the prince and take the boat. We go
upstream, the water is smooth.
51(20). There is a well in a place that isn't very accessible, the priest uses a horn.
52(21). There is fire at the well.. There is a structure (pigeon-house) and land.
53(22). The boat touches rocky ground. We use the barbed spear to make it float
again. We decide to settle down.
54(23). There is (we need) timber and we go into the wood. We reach a piece
of land with a cleft. [This is the cleft they call in the 20th century A.D.
the gorge of Samaria ].
55(24). There is fish due to the god of the weather, we go on through
the woods.
56(25). There is a piece of sandy soil. Take care, there is danger.
There is timber (and wood) for the hammer and for arrows.
57(26). There is protection thanks to the flint, there is a structure (pigeon-house)
and there is fish.
58(27). There is flat land to put ashore the boat (boats).
59(28). We have a male child, a hammer a spear and a priest.
60(29). There is (wood for) fire and (or on) the island, the water is smooth.
61(30). We are going to settle down on land with a well and we have the
the protection of the priest.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 09:54 PM
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Great info Vagabond, thanks a bunch.


I've found that it is not listed as such on google. I will do a search tonight using a different spelling.



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 12:38 AM
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I just had a lucky hunch that it looked like one of those greek ae words.
Search for "Phaestos disk" or just "Phaestos". I saw a couple times where it was spelled Phaistos too.



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 10:11 AM
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I know I have seen the thing before. Shugo where did you get your disc?I want one. I have a picture of it somewhere but cant find it . I'll keep looking through my links.

EDIT: I knew i had something
www.adhoc.at...



I have seen a real pic to. I think at the unexplained mysteries gallery.

EDIT: found my link

www.world-mysteries.com...

[edit on 7/13/2004 by machinegunjordan]



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 01:46 PM
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Interesting.

If it was a recent find, I'd argue that it's a hoax by someone, based on the following observations:

There's a couple of signs that look vaguely Egyptian and one or two that could actually BE Egyptian hieroglyphs... but they don't make any sense in that context. In fact, the signs look like they were scratched or stamped by someone who actually knew nothing about linguistics but who wanted a "find" or an "artifact.

Let me show you what I mean...

Here's a page of hieroglyphics from one of the popular texts, the Instruction of Ptahhotep (loads slowly, beware
members.aol.com...

Notice that even when giving some fairly formulaic things, there are a wide variety of signs being used. Heck... just look at these sentences... even strung together, there's more different kinds of letters than there is on that disk.

You can see this same variation in another untranslatable (so far) piece, the "Teo Mask":
www.deseretnews.com...

It's clearly not totemic (but here is art that IS):
net.indra.com...
net.indra.com...
net.indra.com...

It's not shamanic (but here is ancient art that IS):
www.ruf.rice.edu...

Or historic/astronomical (but this IS):
net.indra.com...


I *would* believe it as a game board of some sort (think: throw knucklebone dice, move a marker along the steps, and "good luck/bad luck" occurs depending on where you land.) But I don't believe it as a piece of writing. I also don't believe the "translation," because the wordage isn't consistant. It doesn't "work" in a cultural storytelling context, either. I think the translation is some kid's guess at it.



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 07:27 PM
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This is a scanned image of the discus.

I'm going to check tonight on the phaistos instead.



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 12:33 AM
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It is not a hoax Byrd, I have seen it too, in the Cretan Museum. According to popular belief this form of writing was in existence throughout ancient Greece prior to the Trojan War, long before the Minoans were eventually overrun by the Myceneans. To this day, we have no clue on how to read the inscriptions.



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 06:57 AM
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I dunno Shugo.
But I have sumthin to say! Some of the markings on the discuss may indicate some sport.
Cuz it is a discuss and all. XD and theres birds on it, as well as teh shape of a person. The person could represent teh person throwing the discuss and teh bird could represent the way the discuss glides.
Thats my theory! yay



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 03:55 PM
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What's supporting your theory... have you checked into this?

Incidentally, I've found a listing of manuscripts in this book my dad gave me, I'll post that page when I get it.



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 02:45 PM
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I wonder if this message will be read at all, but my response is this: the writings on the disc were, in fact, decoded/translated in 1983. Search for the info more closely. Hint: the native peoples of Italy.



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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My own view is that is one of two things

1. As Byrd suggests, a modern fake planted or created to generate reknown

2. A keepsake made by a child using wooden stamps on clay. Considering what modern grandparents and parents will keep from their beloved children I consider it thus.



posted on Dec, 28 2008 @ 04:38 AM
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