I Believe I Have Supporting Evidence That We Aren't Real

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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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I have my diagram and this video helps understand what I am trying to present.

(Sorry, I don't know how to embed pictures )

The Diagram


Black holes briefly turn into wormholes at some point in time. Scientist in my understanding is working on how to make a wormhole. What if a black hole turns into a wormhole once we are absorbed into it? Not saying that we CAUSED the opening of the wormhole, but naturally thats WHEN it will coincidently open.

This has caused me to believe that there is a natural way of time running it's course rather than a man made wormhole. What if we time travel on a natural basis but is unaware of it? Let's say that the black hole could be the link between dimensions? Especially of the horizon projects the image of the previous dimension, making us "shadows" of the original 1st dimension, thats is probably in a higher dimension than even the 6th by now.
edit on 25-1-2011 by Mizzijr because: Literary mistake.




posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by Ghandi

...posts like this make me wish i could alert a post to a mod....or can i...im looking and i dont think i can. but i wish i could. Also brings me back to a post I wrote yesterday...i think the anti star

As for the idea...i gotta watch all these videos first. But certainly is interesting.


I dunno, maybe you can just add a picture whenever you reply to a thread that kind of looks like this? I dunno, just a thought






posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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I just completed doing what i should done before my initial post and watched part 1&2 and another short film on the two slit experiment.
The opening sentence of part 1 states, For most of the time the world is hidden from our sences.
No its not! I only sleep on average 6 hours per day, that is less than a third.

Some other statements i cant accept,
1. Relating to quantum phisics common scense is no guide.
That opens up a pandoras box of possibilities that no one can sensibly question.
2. One phisicist proudly explains the two slit experiment changes reality.
Just because a photon (single particle of light) passes through two slits and shows up on a screen behind as three slits doent change reality, thats like saying an optical illusion changes reality.
3. Part 2 states that the theory of quantum reality is the strangest discovery ever.
Since when is a theory classed as a discovery?
4. We can change reality just by looking at it.
PLEASE! That will do me. The example of a thermometer taking temperature used by a previous poster is seriously flawed.

I know im not the sharpest tool in the shed but it seems quite obvious to me these guys are wasting their time on these theories for without quantum computers there is no quantum phisics, surely these great minds can be used more efficiently.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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That snip you have here isn't anything I posted, and yet it seems like it's being attributed to me. Kind of confusing.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by lestweforget
I just completed doing what i should done before my initial post and watched part 1&2 and another short film on the two slit experiment.
The opening sentence of part 1 states, For most of the time the world is hidden from our sences.
No its not! I only sleep on average 6 hours per day, that is less than a third.

Some other statements i cant accept,
1. Relating to quantum phisics common scense is no guide.
That opens up a pandoras box of possibilities that no one can sensibly question.
2. One phisicist proudly explains the two slit experiment changes reality.
Just because a photon (single particle of light) passes through two slits and shows up on a screen behind as three slits doent change reality, thats like saying an optical illusion changes reality.
3. Part 2 states that the theory of quantum reality is the strangest discovery ever.
Since when is a theory classed as a discovery?
4. We can change reality just by looking at it.
PLEASE! That will do me. The example of a thermometer taking temperature used by a previous poster is seriously flawed.

I know im not the sharpest tool in the shed but it seems quite obvious to me these guys are wasting their time on these theories for without quantum computers there is no quantum phisics, surely these great minds can be used more efficiently.


You're not much of a speller, but your ability to detect bullsh*t is pretty impressive. Quantum Theory is infested by either people who are unreasonably enthusiastic about everything they stumble across, or people who are pretty smart about what kind of crap sells books and video downloads.

I think I know which kind of person has taken charge of the "new reality" flooding the Barnes and Nobles shelves lately - at $14.95 per 200 page pamphlet with 20 pages worth of actual information. If someone ever actually happens on something with substance, they'll be the new Jesus Einstein superhero.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by lestweforget
I just completed doing what i should done before my initial post and watched part 1&2 and another short film on the two slit experiment.
The opening sentence of part 1 states, For most of the time the world is hidden from our sences.
No its not! I only sleep on average 6 hours per day, that is less than a third.

Some other statements i cant accept,
1. Relating to quantum phisics common scense is no guide.
That opens up a pandoras box of possibilities that no one can sensibly question.
2. One phisicist proudly explains the two slit experiment changes reality.
Just because a photon (single particle of light) passes through two slits and shows up on a screen behind as three slits doent change reality, thats like saying an optical illusion changes reality.
3. Part 2 states that the theory of quantum reality is the strangest discovery ever.
Since when is a theory classed as a discovery?
4. We can change reality just by looking at it.
PLEASE! That will do me. The example of a thermometer taking temperature used by a previous poster is seriously flawed.

I know im not the sharpest tool in the shed but it seems quite obvious to me these guys are wasting their time on these theories for without quantum computers there is no quantum phisics, surely these great minds can be used more efficiently.


Everybody isn't meant to understand a subject of this caliber. It takes critical thinking and patience, especially if you are one of those people highly enveloped in society's stressful way of life, it could be hard to change a person thinking pattern in order for them to grasp the ideas a little.

Most of the time your sense are hidden from the world, you are not omnipresent, and the only reason why you would happen to know what China's economy is looking like is because somebody told you, and even then you really don't know because they could be lying.

Re:
1. Actually, its just a way of thinking. it can be a little difficult to wrap your mind around it.
2. It changes a person's perception of what reality could really be. The slit experiment is done with electrons. What makes it so mind boggling is that humans have electrons running through their body as well.
3. It's possible to discover a thought, it's called an idea. Such as a clothing designs, video games, etc..
4. Look at tothetenthpower's post.

Hey, I can't make you understand this stuff. It comes from within.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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I've been thinking about this one all afternoon.

Are you considering reality and something being real as if they are the same? If it exists, it is real. What reality it exists in is a different subject altogether.

I understand the part about the hologram and the event horizon theory. I do not understand how that relates to your proposition we are not real based on that? Even a hologram is real if that were to be the case.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Sorry if anyone else already asked this..

But what about pain? Is that real? I am talking about extreme pain (ie, childbirth, kidney stones, etc).



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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Oh, I apologize that was directed towards "wayno" I'll correct it here and now.




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I thought time was the fourth dimension?? Remember the "worm" between birth and death? Did I miss something?

Oh ya, and who is running that projector from the surface of the black hole anyway??


Yea, see this is the part I don't know, but I can assume that if there is a natural constant string of dimensions maybe an actual black hole is the connection. Based of Carl Sagan's description of viewing the "shadows" of dimensional objects then I assume (as he does) we are shadows of 4 dimensional people, except just being projected from the horizon of a black hole. The time part made me think about how some say the 4th dimension is too unstable so they transfer to the 5th dimension but who knows? I have this diagram in my head.. I think I'll draw it out and upload it then shape it up with MS paint to see what I mean with the dimensions, because it's different than the string theory, but kind of like the same principle in a different way to match Lenny's Horizon Theory.




posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Whatever matter is made of,its definiatly not made of matter. Philosophers say, the only way the Universe can exist, is if we observe it.(Russell) ie.without the Observer it cant exist.But as the Universe, is by that fact alone the Universe! it cant be a disection.Therefore It cant be observed!.(can the eye see the eye?) Therefore I come down more on the side of it all being some sort of thought construction,in a mind.With a load of filters that only show portions of itself.It takes four photons to hit the retina to release one electron that goes to our brain for processing,therefore all we see is in code, all our senses interpret a reality which as humans is shared and agreed on,or even cajoled into accepting as real.Yeh! it might even be a recording,with the brain filling in the bits.An interactive video game comes to mind.With "time" as the construct that lets it run its course.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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I'm just suggesting that we are not the original, we are "shadows" of the previous 3D universe. Yes, we REALLY exist, but only as a shadow.

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Sorry if anyone else already asked this..

But what about pain? Is that real? I am talking about extreme pain (ie, childbirth, kidney stones, etc).


I can't say, reason being is because I am one of a few who feel pain in their dreams. I'm into lucid dreaming and such and it's hard for to really describe the reality of pain. I know it exist. But if we are projections then I assume that the projection of pain is also projected.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Technically if we all thought about it if we had never become "Self-Aware" Would we have ever needed to belive we were "Real" ? Im sure a Rabbit for example has never questioned its reality or its purpose, However We have and the meer fact that we have come to question weather were Are infact what we perceive to be Real makes us exactly that, We are all real as We are untill evidence presents itself to the contrary.

I Dont need to be real, ive never cared much for reality anyway however my words are an Idea and Ideas are real



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Interesting subject for sure. But without trying to sound sarcastic, what about pain. I mean how does the fact that we can feel pain fit into your synopsis?



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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Oh we are real.. We are alive, and when you think we are not, just put your hand in a fire..


I respect the op in his or her's imaginative ideology, but as long as we respond to stimuli however you want to call it, we exist and are real..

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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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Pain is just electrical impulses travelling through our nervous systems which creates a response in our brain which we now know as pain, It is a process just like everything in nature that can be fooled and perceived diferently depending on the reality and circumstances of the pain.

It is a complicated non-reality feeling that is merely perceived by our brians as a negative response to something that has happend to our bodies, Pain can also be registerd by the brain when its not there, Known as "Phanton pains" this can happen in an amputee who has lost a leg for example, it has been known in such cases for the amputees to feel pain in a non-existant limb, They feel it and it effects them yet their pain is no technically "Real" so infact pain is one of the last thing that can prove were real



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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then in that sense since you admittedly cannot prove we are not real either, you can just conclude you have no idea what we are..
Me myself have figured out who I am, and what I am surrounded by.

Pretty sure we are real.. Especially when we are responsible. Sometimes when we are real we don't wanna be real when it comes to responsible.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by lifer201
Aghhh headache ! please dumb it down. and forget the videos lets here it in your own words. i need a summary!


Pretty much what the OP is saying is that we live in the Matrix.



Morpheus: "You know there's something wrong in the world, you don't know what it is, but it's there...do you know what I'm talking about?"
NEO: "The Matrix?"
Morpheus: "Do you want to know what it is?"
NEO: nods
Morpheus: "The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us...it is the world that has been pulled over your eyes do blind you from the truth."
NEO: "What truth?"
Morpheus: "That you are a slave, NEO, like everyone else you were born into bondage, born into a prison which you cannot smell, or taste, or touch. A prison for your mind."


Now it all makes perfect sense! We live in the Matrix people! Now, do you wish to take the blue pill, or the red pill???



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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once again i did not read everything, but first let me say we are real, its the way we see earth thats fake. i believe we live in some form of matrix so our eyes are blinded to the truth. you have to be concious, find your self within, feel the energy within, and then when you focus all that energy into your eyes you will see the truht what earth really looks like. i believe ive seen it, but its not all that different the only thing thats different is i can see the little buits of energy that floats around us and it looks like the earth is fake like some one used a computer and digitaly inserted what we know as earth.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Unlimited "couldn't it be this way" questions pose no proof. It "reality" could be unreal; but, why does it need to be a hologram? What if reality is observed by each differently in a way that we understand as best we can? What if reality were not two dimensional but just our awareness and we each understand in our language? That would not make this world an illusion, just what we are capable today of knowing. Helen Keller's reality world was the same for everyone else, she was just limited in her ability to experience at that time. There is a big difference between representation and illusion.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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so if we aren't real, then this computer isn't real, therefore i can smack my head with it and i will not feel any pain.
thanks for the heads up, but i'll continue on living being real and save myself a concussion.





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