The UK is NOT under Islamic control

Originally posted by Nammu
I'm getting very fed up with hearing people on this board, mostly Americans, making claims like 'The UK is under Islamic control', 'Look at what is happening in the UK with Muslims', 'Muslims and Sharia Law are taking over the UK' etc.

None of these are true. People making these comments have more than likely never been here or experienced living here.

You are right, the UK is not under Islamic control.

In the UK, Islamophobia and general mistrust of Asian communities have become commonplace more and more since 9/11 and 7/7.

Hardly suprising! General mistrust of the Irish always peaked each time the IRA were active on the mainland.

It now seems to be almost socially acceptable in this country, and in the US, for white non-muslims to rant about the entire religion of Islam.

Even 'sheeple' (what an ugly and patronising tag!) do not like to appear ignorant and uninformed.

It has to stop.

Is that an order?

The country is grasping at media-fed lies and manipulation with both hands and eating it right up.

And the media still reports real news about real incidents that affect real people.

The only thing i noticed about the UK going downhill recently is nothing to do with Muslims. There seems to be an increase in biggoted, Daily Mail reading, untolerant, illogical people who now seem to be actually encouraged by the media to spout their baseless viewpoints about 'how the Muslims are taking over'. I hear more and more people voicing racist opinions openly and getting away with it. We are all being brainwashed to fight amongst ourselves. Divide and conquer remember?

The only evidence of a successful divide and conquer strategy being employed in this Thread is the conflict between members who claim to be either American or British.

One of the largest misconceptions is the whole 'Sharia Law is taking over the UK' lie.

Only those that have never read into what Sharia law is and how it is applies here would fear it. Ooooooohhh someone needs a divorce.......so scary. The truth is we have many religious courts for many religions dealing in marriage, divorce, business matters, civil matters etc. But all of a sudden there's outrage over one religion doing it. If you believe Sharia Law = stoning, whippings and mistreatment of women, please go contact a Sharia court and spend a day with them to see what it's really all about.

Sharia courts are not compatible with British Law (not that British Law really exists, we have English Law and Scottish Law). Under English Law (I'm not sure how it works in Scotland), Sharia courts are only permitted to rule in private or family matters; divorce, death (inheritance) etc. Under Sharia Law, females are valued at half the value of males and as such, court decisions contravene Equalities laws. That is, judgements are made that are not legal in English Law. If the plaintiff or aggrieved party wishes, they can appeal against the decision in an English court. Few avail themselves of this right.

So why is Pollockshields in Glasgow well integrated and areas or Birmingham are not? Could it be anything to do with the way they are viewed/treated/looked upon by non-Muslims in the local area? What can we do to improve integration and lower mistrust? These are the type of questions we need to be asking.

One day I was sat at an outdoor cafe table eating my breakfast. A Muslim family approached, mum, another adult female and three or four children aged five to ten. The women pointedly focused their attention, eyes straight ahead and I thought little of it as most people will politely avert their gaze from someone who is eating. One of the children, a girl about 10 years of age could not hide her feelings, disgust as she looked at my food, loathing as she glanced from my plate to my face and then to that of my companion, who had just bitten into his bacon sarnie, where the girl's expression turned to one of hate. One of the adults turned and called the child to her and scolded her, looked at us with disgust and off they hurried.

I put it to you that we were not the first and only white non moslems to experience this type of thing, that some of the distrust is a direct response to being viewed with disgust and loathing for enjoying a great national institution, the Full English.

As for your integration query, those most resistant to integration are the Moslems themselves and that is not necessarily because they are racist but rather because they are brainwashed by their mullahs to believe that non Moslems are in some way 'tainted'.

If you ask me what the REAL problem is in the UK it's neds/chavs.

Why oh why is classism acceptable when racism is not?

Where are the people saying that these groups in society cause a high percentage of crime and should be dealt with? Where is the media outrage?

Outrage about this tends to focus on binge-drinking culture and the perceived lack of parental control and discipline in the home that is believed to breed anti-social behaviour. If any blame is apportioned, it is laid at the door of white single mothers.

The influence of Islam is growing in the West, does ignore local non Islamic laws, does archaically discriminate against the rights of the individual to strive for complete self-determination and in my view, anyone in the UK who denies this is a victim of brainwashing by the naive middle class socialists who dominate the media.

I think that your thread is nonsense.Muslims are a blight on our once proud nation.you just have to look at the case of the muslim men grooming and selling for sex young,white girls.When BNP leader Nick Griffin in 2005 told the media of this being a common problem amongst the muslim community(they think white women are easy so therefore deserving of this treatment)he was arrested for inciting racial haterid.He was eventually cleared after 2 court appearances.Now Jack Straw has said this is a common problem everyone is eventually listening to him its a joke,people are afraid of being charged with racism so these perverts get 'carte blanche'to behave as they wish.The race card is wearing thin people should actually listen to the BNP as they tell the truth,they have no corporate vested interest like the big parties.Since when was it racist to be patriotic?

dear oh dear you can tell the pubs have shut ,your on the wrong forum this is not the bnp forum . i have NOTHING to say to people of you standing . you make white people look like animals and im white so thnx for nothing .
i guess ALL the crimes in uk are commited by asians ? what a crock of ....

reply to post by TheGhostViking


Please check the BNP out and don't just listen to the liberal propaganda.Why do people like yourself automatically think racism?Exactly what I said in my last post you need a labour/liberal or conservative politician to tell you what's going on?The BNP don't have racist policies it is against the law!Just check out the harasment handed out by the racist equalities commision last year to the BNP,trying to jail and bankrupt BNP leader Nick Griffin(elected Euro MP) and 2 other party members.They got found out in the court for their racism towards BNP and the judge took a dim view of them playing games in his court!He also ruled that the British are a race-get it up you equalities commision-they are the nazis/thought police.for your information I haven't been in a pub for 14 years,I don't drink!

No the UK is not under Islamic control, but the UK is under a growing Islamic influence.

I live in Birmingham and I live in an area that used to be an affluent, mostly white area and in the last 10-15 years I have seen the area that I live in change from a 90% english area to a mostly muslim population, the area is no longer affluent and the streets are now covered in litter. Now here come all the calls of me being racist, nonsense I have not been racist and have merely stated a fact.

From my experience, which I've had quite a lot of the muslim population in my area dislike and distrust the local white, english people who still live here... they say this is their area and we should get out. I have many times been verbally abused and spat at by young muslim males and muslim women. Now if this isn't hate on their part and an unwillingness to integrate but to assimilate then I don't know what is.

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


Your right mate!i have a muslim mate and he is the most racist person I've ever met.He is 2nd generation Bangledesee-just driving past Asians he knows the Pakistanis and shouts Paki at them out the window!Blacks get it from him too and i bet whites do when I'm not there.But oh racisms a white mans problem(sarcasm)

Originally posted by mr-lizard
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Live and let live. UK muslims don't want to destroy our society. Considering a lot of them are better off in the relative safety of the UK rather than the harsh lands of which they escaped.

I want to add that my quote here could come across the wrong way, i don't think for a second think all muslim lands are harsh. I'm not that daft, but I thought i'd mention it, before someone picks me up on that.

Peace

reply to post by glen200376


Oh, I forgot about that.. Only Pakistani men groom young girls for sex, how remiss of me...

I see you call yourself a Patriot? Well, if you were a true patriot you would know the history of our nation is built upon immigration. That said, I also see you're from Aberdeen, where even being English is considered a crime punishable by a good beating, so it is hardly surprising you hate on Muslims so much.

Now, don't assume I am a left-wing, hippy douche bag either. I am quite a right wing conservative and I am not keen on open door immigration the likes of which we have had in the past 15 years or so, but your sweeping generalistions make a mockery of true patriots and have us all branded as "skin head" BNP louts, helping nobody.

You mention that Jack Straw says something, people listen but when Nick griffon says the same they don't. You of course know why, don't you? Nick griffon is a racist bastard who hates anyone who isn't white. You cannot take anything he says seriously, even if true, because it is filled with hatred. Jack Straw on the other hand is a respected man with level headed views, so people take notice.

Originally posted by glen200376
reply to post by Resentedhalo08

 

Your right mate!i have a muslim mate and he is the most racist person I've ever met.He is 2nd generation Bangledesee-just driving past Asians he knows the Pakistanis and shouts Paki at them out the window!Blacks get it from him too and i bet whites do when I'm not there.But oh racisms a white mans problem(sarcasm)

They are incredibly racist around here, I have been called a white c**t, a white b*st*rd and a peice of sh*t MANY times...

Racism is by no means a "white mans" problem as the mainstream media like to portray it, it makes me laugh that if there is an attack of some sorts on a muslim person or something that offends them then it makes it into the media. Whereas if there is the same kind of thing being done to an english white person, it doesn't even make the papers and is brushed under the carpet to keep the illusion of racism being a "one-sided" thing going.

reply to post by Nammu


The amount of ignorant racist Muppets posting on ATS is one of the reasons i haven’t posted for so long. I just can’t be bothered to beat my head against a brick wall anymore. I know ATS has tried to confront the issue but to be honest i feel that they are losing the battle!!

When arguing against one or two Muppets it’s not to bad... once you have an army of em... well then the lunatics really have taken over the asylum!

The OP was well worth me breaking my ATS fast for. S+F Nammu... glad to see there are some people with a little common sense who are not blindly following the media scare stories.

Oh... anybody who thinks they are going to bait me by replying with some twisted logic or exaggerated story they read in the daily mail, forget it. I am now continuing me ATS posting fast!!!

Originally posted by Resentedhalo08
Racism is by no means a "white mans" problem as the mainstream media like to portray it, it makes me laugh that if there is an attack of some sorts on a muslim person or something that offends them then it makes it into the media. Whereas if there is the same kind of thing being done to an english white person, it doesn't even make the papers and is brushed under the carpet to keep the illusion of racism being a "one-sided" thing going.

Not true in the slightest. I guess you missed the recent trial of several Asian men who went around town beating up and abducting white men while hurling racist insults? I believe one chap was even killed in the attacks.

Then there was the several Muslim men recently sent to prison for "incitement to racial and religous hatred" when staging a protest at a parade through Luton.

Just because you haven't seen it on the news, doesn't mean it does not happen. You just missed it, which kind of shows just how much attention you actually pay to what is going on around you, because both the stories above were headline news on the BBC.

Racism is present in all walks of life and all creeds, but don't bleat on like it never gets mentioned when it isn't a white man doing it.

reply to post by stumason


Indeed I did miss those...

But it is rare that I hear stuff like that making it into the mainstream media and when I have they like to downplay the racist part, if at all mention if it was racially motivated, while if the same thing is done by a white person then the first thing that is said is that it was racially motivated, wether it was or not.

I am all for equality, but it seems the mainstream media isn't as they often portray things in a one sided way, the BBC say they are unbiased... so why is it when they report such things as EDL protests, all that gets mentioned is the "EDL thugs" who get arrested? When yes, there are thugs that do get arrested but the mainstream fail to mention the roaming gangs of young asian males that go around after an EDL protests and then proceed in physically assaulting people who are trying to make their way home. Hmmmmm funny how that never makes it into the news eh....

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


Actually, the BBC have been quite fair on EDL protests and have NEVER described them as thugs. In fact, they wouldn't describe anyone like that themselves, unless they are quoting someone else.

I have heard them state equally that UAF people have caused trouble and there was a protest last year where the BBC stated, on their website, that the EDL were quiet and obeyed Police instruction, taking refuge in a pub while UAF and lots of violent asian men were outside throwing bricks and steel bars.

The BBC are the most unbiased news network you will find. Yes, there are slight left leanings, but at least they tend to give you both sides of the coin, rather than the SKY news tripe, which is basically The Sun on TV.

reply to post by glen200376


You said:

"I think that your thread is nonsense.Muslims are a blight on our once proud nation.you just have to look at the case of the muslim men grooming and selling for sex young,white girls.When BNP leader Nick Griffin in 2005 told the media of this being a common problem amongst the muslim community(they think white women are easy so therefore deserving of this treatment)he was arrested for inciting racial haterid."

You sound like the typical nescient fear mongering misinformed American. Since when does the wrong act of some Muslim men represent the said 1.3billion Muslims? In addition to that act being forbidden in Islam. One community doesn't speak for all the Muslims. That was a fallacy, specifically, the hasty generalization fallacy.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Resentedhalo08

 

Actually, the BBC have been quite fair on EDL protests and have NEVER described them as thugs. In fact, they wouldn't describe anyone like that themselves, unless they are quoting someone else.

I have heard them state equally that UAF people have caused trouble and there was a protest last year where the BBC stated, on their website, that the EDL were quiet and obeyed Police instruction, taking refuge in a pub while UAF and lots of violent asian men were outside throwing bricks and steel bars.

The BBC are the most unbiased news network you will find. Yes, there are slight left leanings, but at least they tend to give you both sides of the coin, rather than the SKY news tripe, which is basically The Sun on TV.

edit on 24/1/11 by stumason because: (no reason given)

That alone puts doubt on an MI5 controlled media (as a few other UK members are quick to claim), in the sense that we're at least not living in an Orwellian society. Because Orwell's 'vision' was of a perfectly controlled media that twists the facts to keep the population pacified and or angry.

Instead our media can best be described as Huxlian, in which we're bombarded with so much information, that we find it tricky to pinpoint the facts, or even find suitable ground for arguement. Leaving us all mildly confused and unsure of who's side to take.

In this case (sorry to ramble) - It's interesting to note that all sides in this strange system, have taken centre stage (in a media spotlight sense) at some point recently.

The police, the UAF, the EDL, the politicians, the fundamentalists... It's like a strange balance that never actually tips over to any one side.

Because.... The rest of the UK, the normal folk... Keep it that way. The people don't want any one true ruling factor to dictate our lives in a strange kind of way?

Or am i just thinking too much?

Let me correct your thread title: "The UK is NOT under islamic control YET"

It will be soon. I have been there, my friends have been there and we will not be back. Too dangerous. For whatever idiotic reason, the UK has bowed down to the islamists and in a few years it will be lost. It is too far gone now, there is no return from the evil islamic abyss you have brought on yourselves.

The UK is not under islamic control but there are plenty of extremists who want it that way. Take a look at this MP he's pretty determined to make it that way though

reply to post by expat2368


There is always someone ready to chime in with the "my friends have been there and say it's awful", without any quantification, verifiable source or fact.

Pray tell, explain your reasoning, or are you merely parroting what you've heard without independantly verifying what it is you have heard?

You see, we actually live here and see it for ourselves, yet somehow our views and opinions mean nothing to foreigners who have "visited" and told their mates.

reply to post by stumason


I have been there on multiple occasions. I have a business associate who is there frequently. I do not have to go back and will not. He has to go but dreads it. Open you eyes, your country is being swallowed by islam. It has already reached the point of no return as far as we see. I would suggest that the brits who do not want to submit should figure on finding somewhere else to live.

THE UK IS UNDER MASONIC LAW! yes that's the problem not Islam. The damn secret societies and brotherhoods. The US is no better........stop pointing the finger at Muslims and point it to those in parliament that have supposedly been turned from good into 'better men'.

Look what the Rothschild's and Rockefeller's are doing and no one is even trying to stop them, We are all too busy pointing fingers at the Muslims and next it WILL BE THE CHINESE!

Now i would expect loads of people to defend these secret societies but why the hell is every damn person in power a member?