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Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by hiii_98
He killed their chicken that was in his yard. He did this after asking them to keep said animal in their yard. I would hardly call shooting a chicken a good reason to firebomb a man while he lays sleeping.
Have you ever thought that the man may be a hoarder or picker that has had problems with theft? Could it be that he has been harrassed before and had the cameras for protective reasons? No he had a less than spectacularly maintained yard and cameras. He must be a criminal.
Your post reeks of ignorance. You have no proof that this man has ever done anything criminal. Yet you claim he deserves jail because he must be guilty of something he hasn't been caught doing. That kind of thinking is what leads to the loss of all liberty.
"Well we'll just lock you up for a couple of weeks."
"Well you had an alarm system, security cameras, and a gun."
"I owned them all legally."
"Yeah but that combination means you must be guilty of a crime we haven't caught you doing. So, we'll just lock you up as a deterent to your future criminal enterprises."
"Where is your evidence that I did anything wrong?"
"We don't need it. You just happen to posess the right combination of legal devices. Don't worry two weeks out of work and away from your family won't disrupt your life or hurt your professional prospects."
On top of that he has no right to defend his life because he must be guilty of a crime that there is no evidence to support. Wow. Very rarely am I so shocked by something on ATS.
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by LiquidAsh
If a person whose home is being fire-bombed by multiple masked assailants doesn't have the right to defend his life with a firearm, I really don't know who does.
Originally posted by InnerTruths
A lot of ignorant comments here.
The man who shot warning shots into the air is a very decent man. He is actually a hunting firearms instructor in Ontario, and has a very good rep. He has cameras on his property because he owns quite a few guns, farming equipment (as you can see in the video) plus he is in the boonies, and emergency response time is long.
IMO he did not do anything wrong. Hopefully his lawyer can get him off.
Originally posted by sakokrap
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
I think the lesson we're supposed to learn from this is- do not take a gun to a fire fight. Now... if the homeowner would have filled a super soaker with kerosene and douched the marauding brigands, he likely would have been ok.
Irrespective of the law (can I say that without getting some serious trouble?), there is a philosophical issue here.
1. Is it ethical to protect your property from felony destruction (arson)?
2. Is it ethical to use potentially lethal force to defend your property?
The answers will vary, and the basic value of contention will be (once again) responsibility. In one camp, people will say it is ethical to protect your property, although not with potentially lethal force. The basic value these folks will likely share is the communal responsibility to ensure just restitution for the victim of the damage. On the other side, others will agree that it is perfectly ethical to kill a man dead who is trying to burn down the house that shelters you from the elements. These people will likely have a value of personal responsibility to ensure justice is done.
Personally, I find it strange that in a world of a surplus of people, masses of starving children in Africa, street kids in Mexico City and Istanbul, teen girls subjected to sex slavery.... that some people would hold dear the value of a human life that feels confident enough to walk around and firebomb someone's house. I hold the value of personal responsibility, and feel that a man such as this firebomber isn't worth the value of the home that shelters me from the elements.
... in this new age dawning, where police and fire are getting laid off in droves, it makes you wonder why this guy just didn't do what they do in Montana- "Shoot, shovel, shut up"...
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by DrumsRfun
Could you contact the subject of the article and let him know he would fit right in here in Florida, or over in Texas?
I know there's only about 25 of you in Canada anyhow, surely you know one another. J/K
I don't know a lot about Canadian laws, but I am surprised that it isn't more wide open? All the rural area, hunting, wildlife, and overall mountaineering up there seems to support laws resembling Texas more than laws resembling the UK? I guess we just don't understand it.
Originally posted by DrumsRfun
This was done in Canada and we have different gun laws.
I have found someone in my home once and laid a whooping on him without charges.
I agree with the authorities on this one...take his guns away.
This was an ongoing dispute with his neighbor and regardless of the situation...pulling a gun was a bad call on his part.
There is warranted force and unwarranted force....pulling a gun was not the right decision in my opinion.
We aren't Americans...our laws are different for a reason...if the first thing this guy thought of was to pull a gun then I am glad they have been taken away.
No offence to our gun toting American friends.edit on 24-1-2011 by DrumsRfun because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DrumsRfun
I would have grabbed a hose before a gun and would have been on the phone with 911.
But then again I have had experience dealing with cops on similiar things and learned what not to do and that is taking the law into my own hands.
I was referring to YOU not Canadians. Actually I'd prefer to live Canada over the U.S. after living in it the past 10 years. Everyone seems to think they have Americans all figured out... We are all rather diverse and unique, however there seems to be a lot of ignorance in the ages from 30-50. The Americans I know between the ages 17-30ish (friends) are not McDonalds eating, eager to pull the trigger, procrastinating, fat bastards, but quite the opposite. Sad how everyone seems to think they need to stereotype other countries across the map. We are all but the same.
Originally posted by jerryk42
Originally posted by SSDDay
reply to post by kerazeesicko
Blood thirsty? He didn't even shoot anyone... There were half a dozen men with covered faces throwing fire bombs... I bet you are man enough to beat em all up though right? LOL
Your post left me speechless. Little to much Canadian television I guess.
We are NOT all like that. BTW our tv sucks, we usually watch yours.edit on 25-1-2011 by jerryk42 because: spelling
Originally posted by deepred
ETA This man just lived thru a terrorist attack upon himself and his home, I haved watched enough MSM news to know that masked men throwing bombs are terrorists, i hope he doesn't follow the example set by the USA or there will be SHOCK AND AWE at the neibors place.