Marc then wrote:
From: "Marc Weigert"
Date: January 30, 2008 7:14:47 PM PST
To: "'Derek Bartholomaus'"
Subject: RE: Uncharted Territory website: CGI Quotation Question
If the tree is a model and it's forced perspective - then you would NOT need CGI to do this shot.
IIG Investigator Derek Bartholomaus also spoke with Marc over the phone and Marc said that they "never made a statement that it was real" and that
they "do not believe it is real."
A person not affiliated with the IIG by the name of Teri Hayes decided to email Marc Weigert about the statement because Michael Horn has been
misquoting his above statements as again somehow being in support of Billy Meier. Here is Teri’s email:
From: Teri Hayes
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:03 PM
Subject: Uncharted Territory website: The Silent Revolution of Truth video
Mr. Weigert, I am doing a bit of personal research on the validity of claims of 'authenticity' in the new film by Michael Horn. According to his
you have made the statement, regarding Billy Meier's video which appears in the
film and shows an alleged 'beam ship' circling a tree, that "at the time these were supposedly shot - it would have been very hard, probably even
impossible, to fake this kind of shot." Mr. Horn uses this statement as a validation of 'authenticity' of the video in question. I was just curious
if that was your intent when making this statement that Mr. Horn uses on his website? Thank you, sir, for any attention afforded this question. Have a
wonderful night. With great Sincerity, Teri Hayes
Here is Marc’s response:
From: "Marc Weigert / Uncharted Territory"
To: "'Teri Hayes'"
Subject: RE: Uncharted Territory website: The Silent Revolution of Truth video
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:13:54 -0700
I'm currently getting a lot of questions like yours.
I can tell you it was definitely not our intent to validate the "Authenticity" of Billy Meier's "UFO's". There were actually quite a lot of
other things we said, including that the UFOs look suspiciously like models and on top of that, like some 50s or 70s human design.
But, to be fair, we did make the statement about that single shot which we saw on video, transferred from Super8 film. But that this shot would be
difficult to achieve doesn't make everything real...
Professor Donald Hanley - University of Washington Extension Forester
Professor Everett M. Hansen - Oregon State University
Dr. Edward C. Jensen - Oregon State University
Charles E. Fletcher - Oregon State University Associate General Counsel
One of the "quotes" that Michael Horn routinely uses is regarding the veracity of the tree that appears in multiple locations in Switzerland.
In the DVD The Silent Revolution Of Truth Michael Horn makes the following statement:
"Six professors of forestry looked at Meier's photos and looked at the trees and each one determined that the trees are full size mature trees and
The names of the forestry professors are then displayed on-screen for the viewer:
Here is Professor Donald Hanley’s response:
From: Donald Hanley
Date: February 22, 2008 9:02:02 AM PST
To: Derek Bartholomaus
Subject: RE: Forestry Quotation Question
I have no idea how you got my name nor do I wish to comment on these photos. Do not continue to use my name in this fashion.
WSU Extension Forester
Here is Professor Everett M. Hansen’s response:
From: Everett Hansen
Date: February 25, 2008 11:51:41 AM PST
To: Derek Bartholomaus
Subject: Re: Fwd: Forestry Quotation Question
I have not "authenticated real trees", or made any other definitive statements about these photos. My observations are being misrepresented, and my
name and affiliation are being used without my permission.
Here is Professor Edward C. Jensen’s response:
From: "Jensen, Edward C."
Date: February 25, 2008 2:25:11 PM PST
To: , , ,
Cc: "Jensen, Edward C.", "Fletcher, Charles"
Subject: Comment on UFO
An estimate of tree height (actually only the top portion of a single particular tree) that I made several years ago in good faith has been taken out
of context and misused to purport things that I did not intend. Further, my observations have been misappropriated and misapplied to photographs that
I have never seen and situations that I have never reviewed. I want to assure you that I have never purported to authenticate any photos of alleged
UFOs for Mr. Deardorff, Mr. Meier, Mr. Horn, or anyone else. Nor have I ever purported to determine the authenticity of any trees in any photos of
alleged UFOs for anyone. Mr. Deardorff contacted me some years ago and asked if I could provide information about a tree in a photo that included an
alleged UFO. The photo was of poor quality, but I assumed that the tree in the photo was real and gave an estimate of the height of the portion of the
tree above the alleged UFO based on that assumption. I did not opine that the tree in the photo was truly real rather than a model, that the alleged
UFO was real, or that the photograph was real and unaltered. I certainly have never offered any support to Mr. Deardorff or Mr. Meier for their claims
that there are real UFOs or real trees in any photograph. I hope this will end the matter and that neither my name nor that of Oregon State University
will be used inaccurately again in connection with these photographs. To this end, I have copied the General Counsel of Oregon State University, and I
will direct any further communication about this matter to them. Thank you for your cooperation.
Dr. Edward C. Jensen
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR 97331
Charles E. Fletcher is the Associate General Counsel of Oregon State University mentioned in Dr. Jensen’s email. IIG Investigator Derek Bartholomaus
emailed Mr. Fletcher the following information about Michael Horn’s misquoting of Dr. Jensen:
From: Derek Bartholomaus
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:13 PM
To: Jensen, Edward C.; Fletcher, Charles
Subject: Re: Comment on UFO
Hello Dr. Jensen and Mr. Fletcher.
I do not wish to put you in any sort of "he said/he said" type of situation, but I think you should be fully aware of what Mr. Horn has stated
publicly regarding what he claims that Dr. Jensen and other forestry experts have stated regarding the veracity of the tree(s) that appear in the UFO
photographs of Eduard Albert "Billy" Meier.
As I stated in my first email to Dr. Jensen there is a new DVD produced by Michael Horn where Mr. Horn states on camera, "Six professors of forestry
looked at Meier's photos and looked at the trees and each one determined that the trees are full size mature trees and not models." He then posted
the names of the six professors onscreen and Dr. Jensen is one of those names listed.
Dr. Jensen is also mentioned by name on the following websites owned by Michael Horn and James Deardorff:
Dr. Jensen is also named in the following press release by Michael Horn and James Deardorff:
Michael Horn has also mentioned Dr. Jensen by name on numerous message board postings. This is just a small sampling:
On many other occasions Michael Horn has posted references to the "six professors of forestry" without identifying them specifically by name, but
the names are easy to determine based on the number of prior postings of the people's names.
If there is anything I can do to be of further assistance in this matter please let me know.
Independent Investigations Group
Mr. Fletcher then replied with the following:
From: "Fletcher, Charles"
Date: February 26, 2008
To: "Derek Bartholomaus"
Cc: "Jensen, Edward C."
Subject: RE: Comment on UFO
Thank you, Mr. Bartholomaus, for that helpful information. Your efforts in correcting others' mistakes is laudable. But as to making use of your
information directly, I think OSU would prefer to distance itself from this entirely.
Charles E. Fletcher
Associate General Counsel
Oregon State University
Go and contact them yourselve if you doubt what they are saying. But you mind is made up, and i know you wull not bother