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Originally posted by freedish
Originally posted by matthewgraybeal
"I guess the inquisition got it wrong to burn the witches"
-Matt
The 'physic' abilities your talking about come from demons. Now indeed God will pour out His spirit in the end times, and people will prophesy and see visions, but it will be from God. Not from demons. God warns us to stay away from spiritists and mediums.
The gift of prophecy is the special ability that God gives to certain members of the body of Christ to receive and communicate an immediate message from God to His people through a divinely appointed utterance, and to reveal truth and proclaim it in a timely and relevant manner for understanding, correction, repentance, or edification.
Ephesians 4:11-14 (New King James Version) 11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
Originally posted by CLPrime
First of all, I think it was a mistake to label this "proof" of anything. Proof like this is subjective, and declaring that you have proof for one thing immediately makes other people demand proof for another. Case in point: presenting Biblical "proof" of modern psychic ability inevitably leads to a demand for proof that the Bible is even God's Word, or that God even exists.
This discussion, I think, is better-suited to those who already have belief in God and His Word, because no discussion on the Bible will ever get anywhere if we first have to prove that God exists. That's been a hot topic for millennia. Good luck arriving at a satisfactory conclusion today...or tomorrow, even.
And, I must say, like whyamIhere said, this is the most civil religion-based conversation I think I've ever seen. I've only been here a few days, but I'm already glad to be part of the ATS community
Originally posted by CLPrime
Sirjunlegun and NewAgeMan, I have to agree with you...it is rare to see someone who actually understands Scripture and allows it to interpret itself. Too rare.
And, not only was Peter talking about his own time, but Paul also indicated that what started on Pentecost would end:
1 Corinthians 13:8-10
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
The last prophecy (at least, the last one we should be concerned with) is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show his servants what must soon take place (Revelation 1:1). This is the end of Scripture, and no prophecy since then should even be taken into consideration.
We can look around at all the visions being seen nowadays and we can easily say that these mean that God is still giving the gift of prophecy, but how many of these visions are actually to be trusted? How many come true? How many are accurate, and how many are ultimately wrong? Nothing from God is ever (EVER) wrong. So, how do we determine which of today's prophecies are truly from God, if, indeed, any are?
There are 2 ways to test a prophecy:
1) does it agree with known revelation?
and 2) is it ultimately fulfilled?
However, we can't know if a prophecy is going to be fulfilled before its time of fulfillment has actually come. This leaves the first test, but if we're testing all of modern prophecy by Scriptural prophecy, then the only modern prophecies we can believe in are those that agree with Scriptural prophecy. And, if that's the case, then the only prophecy we really need are those already revealed in Scripture.
So, it's pointless to listen to modern prophecy. Stick with Scripture.
Originally posted by 46ACE
Originally posted by DisturbedToo
reply to post by matthewgraybeal
I saw "proof" in the thread.....I'm still waiting.
Starred! can we please get past "PROOF" threads; Especially from "The: I Know it's true! the bible said it right there in the bible" ; folks??
Originally posted by matthewgraybeal
reply to post by scubagravy
Here's a thought, what if the calcification is necessary of the pineal gland. Fluoride supposedly calcifies the pineal gland. The calcification residue off of a car battery is conductive. Also taken out of context, what if calcification is crystallization, it has now become more common knowledge that crystals are a source for and a transmitter of energy.
Before x-rays we would have had no idea if our pineal glands were calcified or not, the uses for fluoride and x-rays, are recent discoveries in the last 125 years or less.