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Lynne Cheney Disagrees with Dick on Gay Marriage Amendment

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posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 07:30 PM
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Lynne, Dick Cheney Differ on Gay Marriage



WASHINGTON (AP) - Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife and mother of a lesbian, said Sunday that states should have the final say over the legal status of personal relationships.

That stand puts her at odds with the vice president on the need for the constitutional amendment now under debate in the Senate that effectively would ban gay marriage.


This is too funny. Dick Cheney stated in 2000 that gay marriage was an issue best left for the states. His wife agrees with his position in 2000, and disagrees with the vice president's current support of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

The cynicism of Bush and Cheney in pushing emotional, divisive issues like abortion and gay marriage is nauseating. These issues are not the issues that are important to most Americans, but Bush and Cheney really cannot discuss the real issues. Like the fact that their insane tax cuts have taken the federal government from a $280 billion budget surplus to a $500 billion deficit in just four years. Like the fact that the United States is now fighting a guerrilla war in Iraq that cannot be won without a substantial increase in troop levels and monetary expenditures.

Please see my post Iraq Insurgency Larger Than Thought for details on this last point. I could go on and on.

But the main point is that Bush and Cheney are desperately trying to avoid talking about the real issues of this election by distracting the electorate with "values" issues like abortion, gay marriage, and Whoopi Goldberg's potty mouth.




posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 08:46 PM
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so they dont always see eye to eye.

big deal. literally, big deal.

why is this worth talking about?

do husband and wife always agree? no. do friends? no. do partners? no.

even if two people on the same generalities of a certain subject that doesnt mean they'll agree on the details of said topic (such as adding an amendment for example)




But the main point is that Bush and Cheney are desperately trying to avoid talking about the real issues of this election by distracting the electorate with "values" issues like abortion, gay marriage, and Whoopi Goldberg's potty mouth.


and yet kerry does the same thing by talking about bush and what bush does, not what he plans on doing. same concept, same tactic. attack the opponent, not the issues.

and dont give me the johnkerry.com link either. i've been there and that site doesnt tell me squat. it reads like a campaign ad as does bush's. it gives really flowery text by claiming what he wants to do but doesnt explain HOW he plans on making those things happen.

but then again they didnt create this thread. you did. you created a thread talking about how THEY'RE not agreeing on something and you then refer to them not talking about the "real issues"???? simply brilliant.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 09:53 PM
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ThePrankMonkey says


so they dont always see eye to eye.

big deal. literally, big deal.

why is this worth talking about?

do husband and wife always agree? no. do friends? no. do partners? no.


Maybe you don't think this story is newsworthy, but I think many people do. Cheney's wife not only disagrees with him on an issue that the Republicans are pushing hard, but she does so publically. This is news because it is out the ordinary. Would you care to tell me the last time the spouse of a presidential or vice presidential candidate publically disagreed with the candidate on a major issue? I'm waiting.

Then I go on to express my criticisms and opinions of Bush and Cheney pushing so hard on issues like gay marriage. Since this is the political debate forum, I think this is completely appropriate. Yet you criticize me some more.


but then again they didnt create this thread. you did. you created a thread talking about how THEY'RE not agreeing on something and you then refer to them not talking about the "real issues"???? simply brilliant.


I think this last comment is incoherent and irrelevant. To paraphrase Michael Moore speaking to his conservative critics, please keep criticizing me. You are making me look good.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by donguillermo
Maybe you don't think this story is newsworthy, but I think many people do. Cheney's wife not only disagrees with him on an issue that the Republicans are pushing hard, but she does so publically. This is news because it is out the ordinary. Would you care to tell me the last time the spouse of a presidential or vice presidential candidate publically disagreed with the candidate on a major issue? I'm waiting.

Ironically, it was Barbara Bush. She's pro-choice, and her husband was not.

And she went public as well, while her husband was under fire on reproductive rights. What interesting timing no?

So knowing all political life is staged, I have no doubts that the "compasionately liberal" spins of both Lynne and Babs were rehearsed and approved before hand. These staged efforts give the wavoring moderate wife of a hard nosed conservative someone to vote for.

Yes, I'm saying pro-choice or pro-gay marriage women can now still vote Republican like their husbands "in good conscious" by telling themselves they're really voting for First Lady (or second). Please don't call me the mysogonist for pointing this obvious tactic out though, it's politics 101. The wife's job is to present the "flip flop" in a softer way that doesn't repel the constituent while retaining or attracting people that disagree with the candidate.....so all bases are covered. Plain and simple.

"Mistakes" like a divided front simply are not made in politics without good reason. It's staged.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a fairly informed one.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by donguillermo
Cheney's wife not only disagrees with him on an issue that the Republicans are pushing hard, but she does so publically. This is news because it is out the ordinary.


So now it is out of the ordinary for a wife to disagree with her husband?

What year is it?

I disagree with my parents, on some issues, brother's on others, and so on.
So she does so publicly huh, well then, I publicly disagree with many people, why is this unusual? Why would you expect a marriage to be so different?



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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BeingWatched and PrankMonkey, you're both kind of saying this isn't surprising. As if political families like Kerry and Teresa or Bill and Hillary or Dick and Lynn, etc...are NORMAL PEOPLE?

You don't actually believe the wives just go on TV with no agenda do you? I know you think the husbands are full of it. Why does everyone think the wives are such straight shooters?

Oh, I know. Because that's what were SUPPOSED to think.

You don't think my "cover all bases" theory holds merit? It seems obvious to me.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by RANT
You don't think my "cover all bases" theory holds merit? It seems obvious to me.


It does have some merit [kudos], however, why would someone vote based on the candidate's wife's opinion?

I see that it maybe the real reason behind these statements. However, I think it is a wasted effort.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by BeingWatchedByThem
why would someone vote based on the candidate's wife's opinion?

I see that it maybe the real reason behind these statements. However, I think it is a wasted effort.


Well no platform suits everyone to a tee. So we tend to pick the one that best suits us then rationalize the tid bits we disagree with. This could just be one example that allows people to rationalize something.

I realize people say, for example, the Vice President has no bearing on their vote...but you hear ALOT about how important the First Lady is...especially to female voters.

The timing of the whole thing gets me too. Barbara Bush came out when 41 was under attack, and Lynne just did the same thing.

Plus just anecdotally, I know women that LOVE Laura Bush (for example), but hate her husband. It's just a weird little thing I think they try once in a while with the hot topic cultural issues.

No one already for Bush will change their vote based on what Lynne Cheney says...but there's got to be someone on the fence somewhere that is a culturally progressive conservative now saying see they aint so bad.

I guess the main point I was just making is we almost have to assume these interview "leaks" are staged for some agenda. I mean they couldn't possibly be accidents. So I was just guessing at the agenda.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 11:51 PM
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Oh yeah it's definitely been leaked for an agenda.......
Everything gets put out on purpose, mostly everything...
That's why political news sucks.....If we members on ats gave the ap some news to run with you think they'd do it??

bush co is just throwing the ap a bone... Just another #ing bone that shouldn't even get the time of day, why people bother talking about it I don't know... Seems silly to me... It's all hype... hype hype #ing hype, i'm sick of it..



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 07:26 AM
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I watched Wolf Blitzer yesterday and she was on there. She wanted the subject changed after her response and she seems irked that it is becoming a campaign "issue".

The real issues are health care up, education up, fuel prices up, and middle Americas's wages are stagnant and is losing it's foothold in society. As long as the Republican's can created the morality "noise" the real issues will not be tended to.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 12:13 PM
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Achhh.... Gay marriage is just a distrator issue for religious extremists... (ya we have those in christianity too)



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