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Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by Cybertron
Cybertron, you really should learn how to discuss topics without calling names and flipping out. You having an adult temper tantrum DOES NOT help your cause. I despise drunk driving, and think there should be a mandatory 5 year sentence for even first time offenders. My opinion aside... you keep saying that her charges were dropped or minimized... You have not been providing a reason or source, implying they were dropped due to some misdeed from the police. If you say it wasn't because of the misdeed by the police, then tell me why you think they were dismissed or minimized?
What if this woman was mentally unstable?
But the two mental health
professionals who examined her said her mental state Aug. 28 "made it impossible to proceed with the case," Smith said. At the time of the pursuit and the confrontation with the troopers, Smith said Wright was off her mental health medications and was "unable to form the intent necessary to commit a crime."
Smith said privacy laws preclude him revealing Wright's diagnosed mental condition.
www.standard.net...
I understand your side of this...kind of....
I have a few questions for you.
1) Did she risk others lives?
2) Did she resist?
3) Should an officer change his tactics based on age and gender of the criminal?
I really hope your intelligent enough to process this without saying the police should have been more compassionate, due to the fact that she was mentally unstable. One day these officers could under estimate the wrong mentally ill person, and be killed for that miscalculation.
You are ignorant!
She had been drinking (allegedly)
When alcohol reaches the brain, it interferes with communication between nerve cells, by interacting with the receptors on some cells. The alcohol suppresses excitatory nerve pathway activity and increases inhibitory nerve pathway activity. Among other actions, alcohol enhances the effects of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA. Enhancing an inhibitor has the effect of making a person sluggish. Also, alcohol weakens the excitatory neurotransmitter glutamine, which enhances the sluggishness even farther.
Did you read my earlier post? 15 year old pulled over - Cop gets out, and 15 yr old flees - cop chases - 15 yr old gets up to 70 and kills my best friend..All this damage and pain, simply because this waste of life, didn't want to go to jail or get a ticket.
Originally posted by CitizenAlpha
As i dont agree with the actions of the Officers in this case, We all know what flashing lights & sirens mean right? PULL OVER DUHHH!!!, so if are not smart enough to do that you deserve to get what you get, Im sorry but stupid people should get treated like stupid animals.......
Originally posted by TheGhostViking
Nobody acted honorably here
yes mate as i just posted
if xcathdra had just said what you have , that both parties are in the wrong I dont think there would be so much discussion here !
NONE of us ever have defended drink driving OR running from cops .
Thanks for your post ressurection im glad we have come to a similar conclusion .
Originally posted by Whereweheaded
If she had been drinking as they claim, and fact has proven that Alcohol impairs all thought capacity, then stopping or the lack there of, or doing anything an officer tells you, my not be completely " understood " since again, alcohol impairs ones thought process.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Until you are placed into a situation like above, you are not going to understand that the suggested alternate actions made are not as easy as people might think
Originally posted by WTFover
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Until you are placed into a situation like above, you are not going to understand that the suggested alternate actions made are not as easy as people might think
I have been there, numerous times in fifteen years of LE, and I believe he was not justified in the force used.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by JulianAlien
Its not edited and that question is addressed in the srtivcles. The sirens drowned out the audio.
@ Cybertron and a few others - The point you guys are falining to understand is the the law and what you think should have occured based on your beliefs. Just because your beliefs say you should not do this or that, does not mean the law shares that view.
I have seen people use the what if game, trying to dimiss it. The what if game is critical in the sense "if the driver was not stopped, what if she did plow into a car, or people". How do I know that line of thought was being used? Because a pit maneiver was authorized to stop this lady.
A Pit maneuver is utilized when other options to stop a vehicle pursuit fail. As I have said before in this thread and others use of force for law enforcement is a 1+ advantage the courts ahve granted. I have seen people make the commens that she should not have been punched in the face.. OK... How do you get her to focus on you and to stop focusing on trying to break her car free of the blockade?
People have suggested taser, pepper spray, trying to turn the car off, etc etc etc.
All possibilities, but in a split second decision the trooper chose to bust the window and then used force on the driver in order to stop her actions.
It really does not matter if you agree with his actions or not. What I have been saying is the officer was within the legal confines of the law for his actions. We can continue the debate but in the end its only going to revolve around what people think and not what the la allows.
@ Cybertron - Yes you appeared to be throwing a temper tantrum. I answered your questions while you continued to call me ignorant and an idiot. You wanted me to provide a link where it said the investigation was done, and I did which you apparently did not read. I reposted the info with bolded/underlined/italicised so you could more easily find it, and again you ignored the info, telling me it was my opinion, when in fact it was the complete opposite.
The criminal investigation into the Trooper is done per the Prosecuting Attorney.
The criminal investigation and charges into the suspect has been reinstated.
The UHP is continuing an INTERNAL REVIEW of the troopers actions to ensure he was WITHIN AGENCY POLCIY AND PROCEDURE.
Sorry for the caps, but you seem to not be understanding those main points.
For a person who does not do law enforcement in the US, you made yourself out to be ignorant. As I said before you called me a crybaby, ignorant, and idiot. If you have legitimate questions, ask and I will answer them. If you have nothing constructive to say, then save it as I can get the same attitude from people I deal with on a daily basis.
In this case, the law worked exactly as its supposed to. Nothing will change my mind on that for the simple reason I know what I am talking about - from training, education and personal experiences of doing this job to understanding civil rights and Federal law and how they shape the manner in which we do our job. I also understand how local and state law affects my job and the manner in which I perform it. I have been trained in use of force, and how its applied.
I have absolutely no problems with people challenging what I am saying, but to call me ignorant, and idiot and a crybaby really does not portray you as taking this thread seriously, or show any intrest in actually learning and understanding practices in a foreign country.
If you or anyone else has questions - ask
If you have nothing but a smartass comment to make - save it.
Thanks
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by WTFover
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Until you are placed into a situation like above, you are not going to understand that the suggested alternate actions made are not as easy as people might think
I have been there, numerous times in fifteen years of LE, and I believe he was not justified in the force used.
I respect your viewpoint on this. You have 5 years on me so far...
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Agree with above comments on the surface, HOWEVER...
Did you guys also pay attention to the fact that ALL CHARGES AGAINST HER WERE DISMISSED?
THIS, to me, indicates that perhaps all was not as it seemed to be! If she WAS guilty of this, then why would they throw the entire case out?
IF she was under the influence and evading, then I will be the first to agree the use of even deadly force may be warranted. BUT-all charges were dropped here...Indicating that there is more to this story than initial accounts might suggest.
Originally posted by TheGhostViking
once the stop is made you don’t get to beat up the suspect. The ONLY time an officer has the right to hit a suspect is in his own protection
BRO you nailed it , its similar to rodney king incident , a rape for example is a terrible crime but it doesnt give the cops the right to beat people up , their job is to round perps up and LET THE JUSTISCE SYSTEM TRY THEM
IM sorry thats the way it is . If as a cop you do this (not in self defence ) you are as bad as a criminal in my opinion
Originally posted by Cybertron
I see you like putting words in my mouth, And if you dont understand basic structure of a sentence then you would understand, i wasnt saying your ignorant i was merly saying your being ignorant "IF" you believe that he was right.
Originally posted by Cybertron
reply to post by Xcathdra
And once again your ignorant............
The links you provide says one guy doesnt think he did wrong "BUT" the invistigation will continue....
Come on M U S T I S P E L L I T F O R Y O U
the case is not over why are you being ignorant and stubborn?
Originally posted by Cybertron
Now who is the idiot?
Originally posted by Cybertron
Your quick to throw judgment out but hesitate to take critisism back,
Originally posted by Cybertron
What should i learn from this thread?
Originally posted by Cybertron
That infact your a bad cop yourself who seems to me would of puched the lady out yourself
Originally posted by Cybertron
Your quick to throw judgment out
Originally posted by Cybertron
Weve been over this so many times,
Originally posted by Cybertron
How long would you say the cop stood there bashing the tinted windows the the cop by the passenger window ect... I dont understand why you cant see there could have been a better solution to this problem?
Originally posted by Cybertron
Why are you so arrogent yourself:?
Originally posted by Cybertron
You believe you the COP does nothing wrong?
Originally posted by Cybertron
If thats your police force then friend its a joke...
Originally posted by Cybertron
I do believe aswell as where your law comes in, there still a thing called human rights!
Originally posted by Cybertron
I never called you a cry baby so please show me in one post where i did that...
Originally posted by Cybertron
Shame the baby needs a nap?
Originally posted by Cybertron
You justify his actions to the full extent without listening to reason, And you believe people only decide due to feeliengs?
Originally posted by Cybertron
Come on really? How old are you?......
Originally posted by Cybertron
Show me aswell in which post i have thrown a temper tantrum?
Originally posted by Cybertron
You presume way to much.....
Originally posted by Cybertron
Aswell as the name calling friend please show me where i have called you any names? besides being ignorant and acting like an idiot?
Originally posted by Cybertron
Dont put words in my mouth to try and discourage my thought or belief, That is so typical Law enforcment........
Originally posted by Cybertron
Should we go back and copy and paiste???? And yes i know my spelling is off but im pretty sure my morals and beliefs are not...
Originally posted by Cybertron
And im happy you think my comments are smartass... Atleast something of mine is working ey...
Originally posted by Cybertron
You say you have provided me with a link to say the invistigation is over?
YOU HAVE NOT,
The Weber County Attorney’s office looked at the video along with other evidence. The county attorney told ABC 4 he did not see any actions from the trooper that warranted a Class A misdemeanor or felony for him to prosecute.
He (Weber County PA) is in the process of prosecuting Wright for her actions that led to the pursuit.
Utah Highway Patrol Spokesman Brian Hyer said UHP could not comment on this specific case but stated an investigation is ongoing, "“We do have the ability and responsibility to hold people accountable for their actions in any case where there may be issues that are serious and we take that responsibility very seriously.”
Originally posted by Cybertron
all you have given was the ones we all read, where it says the invistigation is still continuing and can take up to 7 months cos its a sensitive case and alot of people have to view the tape,
Originally posted by Cybertron
The case is not over, the COP is not let of the hook yet..........
Originally posted by Cybertron
Tell me ?
what if they decide it was not under is policy in the way he acted?
what would happen then?
Originally posted by Cybertron
Seems to me Bullies stick with Bullies,
Originally posted by Cybertron
And so many of My "Police friends" have watched the vid and laughed at how untrained and unqaulified that cop was acting, - Oh and one important thing my "POLICE' friend mentioned was that in america the abuse from police officers is common......
Originally posted by Cybertron
In fact you dont care about the public and quick to explain terms of law, when infact your not a lawyer so to copy and paiste for your arguments is not very clever...
Originally posted by Cybertron
Where its the public like this woman who pay your salaries......
Originally posted by Cybertron
All over the world people are starting to have enough of the abuse from you people in power,and are starting to revolt.
Originally posted by Cybertron
Was that smartass enough for you?
The Weber County Sheriff's Office investigated Davenport's behavior at the request of UHP. Sheriff's spokesman Capt. Klint Anderson said Tuesday that, just last week, investigators had learned the Weber County Attorney's Office had declined to file charges against Davenport.
Anderson said the case would be forwarded to the Ogden City Attorney's Office this week for consideration of possible misdemeanor assault charges against Davenport.