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Iranian warships coming to Mediterranean and Red Seas

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posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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No we Americans are not evil. But our leaders are.




posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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The United States is not at war, the last war that the United States was involved in was World War II. It takes an act of congress to declare war, and as that has not happened, it can not be a war. Consider this: If it was a war, then the question as to what to do with the people in Gitmo, would be answered, and not left indefinately.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Hey, do you realise that the Geneva conventions apply to prisoners of war, and it's illegal to torture whether they are abductees or prisoners of war!

Are you seriously saying that Korea and Vietnam weren't wars because they definitely were, and so are the other conflicts since then. You had a draft for Vietnam didn't you???
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posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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I think they are coming to aid Hesbolah in Lebanon. That place may erupt any time.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Here it is from PRESSTV (Iranian media which is about as bad as DEBKA)

presstv.com...



Originally posted by matthewgraybeal
Is DEBKA credible?

If these ships are on the move, they are after israel. If they are after israel, we have the makings of another very big war.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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If the US Navy learn'ed anything during WW2 it was a naval fleet without air cover is a sitting duck just waiting to be sunk. Sending your navy away from any air cover is just dumb. Sitting ducks for the Israeli air force.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Hate to tell you but, just 'cause Congress didn't approve it doesn't mean it's not a war. That's just silly. Are there soldiers shooting and getting shot at? Then it's a war!



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Secularist

Originally posted by Kram09
Sort of the way, America did with it's carriers in the Persian Gulf?



Except Americans arent evil.


Is this a joke, right?



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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And so long as those boats are parked in international waters, or in non-Israeli national waters, Israel cannot legally do anything about it. Iran has as much right to the seas as any other nation in the world, and can shuffle their navy wherever the hell they like within the bounds of international or allied waters.

if Israel attacks them in those circumstances, Israel is committing an unprovoked act of war.

Of course, I'm not going to express supreme confidence in the navigation ability of the Iranian navy. I mean to date, all the Iranian navy has managed to do was get its butt kicked by Iraq and its US sugardaddy in the 80's.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Yes I am seriously stating that Korea and Vietnam were not wars. According to the Constitution of the United States of America, only an act of congress can a war be declared. There was no declaration of war by the congress, nor has there been once since World War II. So there fore, I am correct in stating that the United States is not at war.
You have to understand that there are rules in war, that the law is very specific on, including the following of the Geneva convention, article of wars, and the treatment of prisoners of War. Though I am not sure about the treatment of what would be considered prisoners who are captured on a combat field when no war has been declared. Hence why such is in the grey area of the law, neither being legal or illegale. It also binds the US government from doing what it wants to, especially to those who are citizens of the United States of America, who are fighting against it in any conflict.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Even German Polticians were "forced" to admit that our Soldiers are in a War...even tho we only were supposed in helping to Re-Build and help the Population...not calling it War is an insult to every Family who lost someone there..



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by matthewgraybeal
Is DEBKA credible?

If these ships are on the move, they are after israel. If they are after israel, we have the makings of another very big war.


I dont think Israel can afford to let Iranian missile ships get that close - Iran is counting on that of course - it has allways been their plan to back israel into a corner. Building nukes hasn't worked so-far, so it seems they are going to get right in their face.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Seems like a pointless thing to do from Irans point of view, only going to antagonize things further, and if anything did happen their fleet would be destroyed straight away.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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It is not a war, nor am I kidding. To understand the implications of such, one would have to understand the nature of the Constitution of the United States and the differing laws when it comes to such. The power to command the armed forces, lies solely in the hands of the President of the United States. He has the power to say the troops need to be moved from one point to another, often advised by the joint chiefs of staff, and the Secretary of Defense. But to actually declare war, requires an act of Congress, to approve and actually give the backing and support of such. So that means if the Congress of the United States does not declare war then it is not a war. The President of the United States can ask for a declaration of War, but if the Congress does not approve it will not be granted. This also ties and limit’s the United States in what all it is capable of doing to different people who are adding those who are actively engaged against those who are engaged in combat with US armed forces. And ironically, it was always within the power of congress to stop any given armed conflict that the US armed forces are engaged in, by simply cutting the funding to the department of defense.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Did it not occure to anyone, that by not declaring war, it means that the US could be involved, indefinately in any sort of conflict, long after the main participants are dead and buried? There are rules and laws, that govern the use of Military forces, in any aspect, however, if war was actually declared, then the rules and laws that govern the US military would change, and that, if the politicians had the will or strength to let go of the reins and let the miltary take charge and actually do the job they are trained to do, this would have been over with alot faster than it has already taken? Consider this, as long as it is not a war, then who ultimately is profiting from the deaths of all of the service members, and what will the final price tag be? In a war, there are goals, objectives and the rules are changed in ways that would free up the military to do its job, and get it done, to include the mop up. If you look at where the congress actually declared a war, and the length of time it took from the actual declaration to the end, and then compare it to those conflicts where war was not declared, the question must be asked: Why is it that the Revolutionary war took 8 years to finish, the civil War took 4 years to finish, the Spanish-American war took less than a year, World War I took 4 years and 5 months, World War II took 4 years from the time the US entered and the Japanese surrendered, yet Korea took 5 years, Vietnam took 10 years from entry to our departure? Seems like when it is declared, it is short and done, when not declared, it takes years to get out.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Secularist

Originally posted by Kram09
Sort of the way, America did with it's carriers in the Persian Gulf?



Except Americans arent evil.




WHAT??? NOT EVIL. are you out of your mind??



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Although I doubt anything will happen out of this, for the same reasons posted before of it being a guaranteed death wish move by Iran leaving its Navy 'sitting ducks,' this is indeed something to keep an eye on.

Big thing to watch though, is if Israel will get drawn into a game of chicken and ultimately into a scenario where they fire. Both countries have it bad for each other, and this seems like an odd move on Iran's part considering all of the other articles out currently stating their desire for continuing talks.



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by SneakySleuth911
Although I doubt anything will happen out of this, for the same reasons posted before of it being a guaranteed death wish move by Iran leaving its Navy 'sitting ducks,' this is indeed something to keep an eye on.

Big thing to watch though, is if Israel will get drawn into a game of chicken and ultimately into a scenario where they fire. Both countries have it bad for each other, and this seems like an odd move on Iran's part considering all of the other articles out currently stating their desire for continuing talks.


Couldn't agree more. Israel is not the USA, when they say they will fire guess what? They are NOT BLUFFING unlike the USA who lets Iran enter their ships perimeters without firing going against their own rules trying not to cause a conflict. Israel has proven many times in many different ways they can and will fire when they warn you.

Good luck with your provocation Iran, you might lose a fleet over it this time.

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posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
Couldn't agree more. Israel is not the USA, when they say they will fire guess what? They are NOT BLUFFING unlike the USA who lets Iran enter their ships perimeters without firing going against their own rules trying not to cause a conflict. Israel has proven many times in many different ways they can and will fire when they warn you.

Good luck with your provocation Iran, you might lose a fleet over it this time.


You bring up a startling true point about the bluffs. We have seen an outwardly more civil Israel (at least politically) as of late with Palestine, but rhetoric is still at an all time high against Iran. The other thing to watch out for is that Israel has never officially said what they are capable of and what weapon capacities they truly have. Just recently with the Stuxnet, for example, Israel stated how they were glad Iran thought they had the capabilities but neither admitted nor denied, here below.


"It's good that the Iranians think we have these capabilities," a senior Israeli intelligence official told TIME, taking care not to confirm the specific deployment of capabilities that Israel is widely known to, in fact, possess.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110117/wl_time/08599204275000]-->SOURCE



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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My view is that this is another media hype to skyrocket the oil price. The oil cartels are smiling in anticipation.

With Obama as the peace president, it's unlikely US would invade or assist invasion officially.



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