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Wake up America: You're being herded into socialism/communism...stop thinking as an animal of prey

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posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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This is why qas our COTUS reads, it is the best form of government. It allows for each to get according to their worht. Any one can work their way up to the highest levels from the lowest levels. It is awesome to think about.

No classes, there are no clsses in America. Anyone can ascertain any class level if they so choose and are capable of doing so.

Some are not capable of doing so and they never will. Others are capable of doing so but are too lazy. Others are too stupid to do so and or don't desire to make the necessary sacrifices to do so. That's reality.

Men are only created equally based on their ability to attain. They are not equally capable of attaining though.

Jaden




posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Jedite
Truthfully there is nothing wrong with communism, it's a great idea. To bad it will never work in the real world, as we've all seen, people as a whole are too greedy always want want want. Be it more money, more possessions, and so on.

I know some of you are going to blink about my comment but look at it this way, everyone owns everything, no poor, no hungry, no rich. Everything would be equal and even, you want this? well you have to do this. Hence a good idea, but sadly it will never get beyond that.


there is plenty wrong with communism. it is an anti-human, soul-killing ideology used by madmen to rule over the people he/she has duped, and to eliminate through mass murder those who protest against it.

socialism is only one rung down the ladder from communism, and sits only slightly higher on the rung of failed statist ideologies than fascism.

All of them belong rotting in the manure pit of history.




posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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There's a difference between communism/socialism and calling every single proposition of your opposition "communism" no matter whether or not it makes sense


Take healthcare for example, it's a good thing!! And you'll buy it from PRIVATE companies for crying out loud, so calling it socialism is SILLY. Other countries have had it for decades, including Switzerland, which has a higher education level (you only pay around $800/semester to take an MSc course at a Swiss uni for example), and definitely better healthcare. Calling Switzerland a "communist" or "socialist" country would be silly though...just like calling the US communist because of mandatory healthcare is silly



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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Conservatism = small government and commonsense policies!

The Republican party was long ago taken over by what many call corporate facism, though you might as well call it the Vatican/jesuit NWO - they were working hand in glove with the Communists - and now KGB run Russia and their world-wide criminal empire, towards exactly the same goals.

All of you true believers in 'socialism' are going to be in for a very rude awakening one day!



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

The Republican party was long ago taken over by what many call corporate facism, though you might as well call it the Vatican/jesuit NWO - they were working hand in glove with the Communists - and now KGB run Russia and their world-wide criminal empire, towards exactly the same goals.


Ahahahaha, so now the communists are working with Vatican-Jesuit-NWO people to kill of the US, right? In what kind of fantasy land do you live??? And if you believe the KGB runs Russia, you haven't caught up with history...do me a favor, list just 1 current KGB employee, just one...make us laugh
It's as if your knowledge of history and events only goes up to the fall of the Berlin wall, because everything you say is based on old information not backed up by current events...

Who runs Russia? The MAFIA!! If you've ever done business in Russia, you'd know that


As for conservatism:



a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage


I bolded the funny parts...

1) Deregulation of the financial industry lead to the financial crisis...so well done "conservatives"


2) Lower taxes only really works if you quit spending...and if you look back in history, overall, Republican presidents have always spent more than democrat presidents. I guess it's easy to run campaigns on "lower taxes"...but it makes you look silly if you spend like a drunken sailor every time you get to power

edit on 24-1-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Want to see the KGB archives that Vladimir Bukovsky managed to copy whilst working on the archives - here they are!

bukovsky-archives.net...



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 07:42 PM
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I think there has to be a medium somewhere with all of these ideologies presented. Too far to the right takes us back into the days of the crusades and the leavin of disabled children on the side of a mountain road to die. Too far to the rigt leads to communism. So what do we do? Do you have any ideas? Do you think that you could do better in office? Do you think that you will not get sucked into governing with selfish motives impacting your decisions in the end, or even withut allowing corporate greed over power you? From your cocky post I highly doubt it! Religion needs to be nuetral within schools. You know why? Well because unlike the far right believe, there is actually a diverse world of people who flock to this great country to avoid the totalitarian views of religious dogma. They also flock to this country because they would like the freedom to believe what they want. Are you aware that two minimum wage jobs gets just the rent paid where I live. Just got my heat turned off becase of a 300 dollar gas bill. Sad thing is that I live in a neighborhood not an apartment, but guess what because of corporate greed, this gas bill wasn't even decided based on my true meator reading, but just an average of the neighborhoods gas usage. Well I was being real frugal with utilities that month and still got stung and they don't care. I have two kids and they don't care. But you know who does? That institute funded by that socialist government which helped me pay to get my heat turned back on. The right just don't understand because, well hell Iguess you all got a fortune laying around.



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
There's a difference between communism/socialism and calling every single proposition of your opposition "communism" no matter whether or not it makes sense


Take healthcare for example, it's a good thing!! And you'll buy it from PRIVATE companies for crying out loud, so calling it socialism is SILLY. Other countries have had it for decades, including Switzerland, which has a higher education level (you only pay around $800/semester to take an MSc course at a Swiss uni for example), and definitely better healthcare. Calling Switzerland a "communist" or "socialist" country would be silly though...just like calling the US communist because of mandatory healthcare is silly


nah...i wouldnt call those countries "communist".

I would call them "statist."



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Not sure I necessarily agree given that Switzerland's democracy is way more direct than the US's democratic process. The people have way more control



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Masterjaden
reply to post by Jedite
 


This is why qas our COTUS reads, it is the best form of government. It allows for each to get according to their worht. Any one can work their way up to the highest levels from the lowest levels. It is awesome to think about.

No classes, there are no clsses in America. Anyone can ascertain any class level if they so choose and are capable of doing so.

Some are not capable of doing so and they never will. Others are capable of doing so but are too lazy. Others are too stupid to do so and or don't desire to make the necessary sacrifices to do so. That's reality.

Men are only created equally based on their ability to attain. They are not equally capable of attaining though.

Jaden


Sort of sad this must be explained at all...

From both a personal and a civil societal stand point there is a world of difference between a mans "worth" and a mans "ability to attain." Quite often they are unrelated.

Any man may determine his own self worth but this is a quantative value more accurately and permanently dispensed by the appraisal of others. More clearly...

Your worth is what you contribute to the world, not what you can manage to grab for yourself.
edit on 24-1-2011 by rusethorcain because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Ah, I see you didn't watch the videos.
I like history too. I like seeing patterns and understanding that they repeat.



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


Ah, I see you didn't watch the videos.
I like history too. I like seeing patterns and understanding that they repeat.


Again, the video and the interview is OLD!! It talks about plans made before the fall of the Berlin wall for crying out loud...and no, it's not repeating unless you show concrete proof of that



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by Masterjaden
reply to post by Jedite
 


This is why qas our COTUS reads, it is the best form of government. It allows for each to get according to their worht. Any one can work their way up to the highest levels from the lowest levels. It is awesome to think about.

No classes, there are no clsses in America. Anyone can ascertain any class level if they so choose and are capable of doing so.

Some are not capable of doing so and they never will. Others are capable of doing so but are too lazy. Others are too stupid to do so and or don't desire to make the necessary sacrifices to do so. That's reality.

Men are only created equally based on their ability to attain. They are not equally capable of attaining though.

Jaden


It is funny because most (not all) of the people I have met with tons of cash were not worth their weight in rotten garlic cloves, our eternal friend Jesus echoed this and I tend to agree for the most part. Certain people attain better in this era because none of us get a say in which game we are in, we have to accept it, that is rule #1!

Remember that



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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More 'OLD' stuff - from people who were actually there!



Anatoliy Golitsyn was born in the Ukraine in 1926, served as a member of the KGB in various intelligence, counterintelligence, and counterespionage roles, until he defected to the United States in 1961 of which he is now a citizen.

Since that time he has diligently studied Communist and international affairs, reading both the Western and Communist press which has lead him to submit Memoranda to the CIA outlining his analysis of Communist affairs. Introduction: The book includes a series of memoranda that the author sent to the CIA in recent years. Golitsyn felt that since his "warnings" have basically gone unheeded by the government that he would publish them in a book. He asked the CIA to declassify them, and they agreed.

The author cites several reasons for this consideration of presenting his memoranda to the public. I'll quote just two: (1) "..

.The democracies of the United States and Western Europe are facing a dangerous situation and are vulnerable because their governments, the Vatican, the elite, the media, the industrialists, the financiers, the trade unions and, most important, the general public are blind to the dangers of the strategy of 'perestroika' ... The democracies could perish unless they are informed about the aggressive design of 'perestroika' against them." (pg. XIX)

(2) "...I could not imagine that American policymakers, and particularly the conservatives in both the Republican and Democratic parties, despite their long experience with Communist treachery, would not be able to grasp the new manoeuvres of the Communist strategists and would rush to commit the West to helping 'perestroika' which is so contrary to their interests. "It has been sad to observe the jubilation of American and West European conservatives who have been cheering 'perestroika' without realising that it is intended to bring about their own political and physical demise. Liberal support for 'perestroika' is understandable, but conservative support came as a surprise to me." (pg. XIX)


philologos.org...



TextWhen the Soviet Empire collapsed in 1989, the CIA was chastised for failing to foresee the change. "For a generation, the Central Intelligence Agency told successive presidents everything they needed to know about the Soviet Union," said Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "except that it was about to fall apart."
www.defence.pk...



Anatoly Golytsin made a list of falsifiable predictions about the Soviet plans to fake its thier own collapse - they came true with an accuracy rate of 94%!.........and Yet his analysis has largely been dimissed by Western intelagencies - depite their own abysmaly incompetent record.

here is a partial list of CIA intel 'failures'


1965 The Soviet ICBM buildup. The CIA missed the Soviet missile buildup, partly in response to the humiliation of the Cuban missile crisis. A subsequent CIA director, Robert Gates, later wrote that the Agency "did not foresee this massive Soviet effort to match and then surpass the United States in strategic missile numbers and capabilities -- and did not understand Soviet intentions." This seems to be a case where the Agency swung from one extreme to another. Having overestimated the Soviet missile buildup in the Fifties, they underestimated it in the Sixties.

1978 The Iranian revolution. In August 1978, CIA issued an NIE that said Iran "is not in a revolutionary or even a prerevolutionary situation." The Shah fled Iran six months later.

1990 Two blunders on Iraq. On July 31, The CIA dismissed the likelihood of an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Saddam Hussein invaded two days later. The CIA also significantly underestimated the scale of the Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

1998 The Indian bomb. The CIA failed to predict the testing of an Indian nuclear bomb in May 1998. The chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, Richard Shelby, bemoaned "a colossal failure of our nation's intelligence gathering." The CIA was better prepared for the first Pakistan nuclear test a few days later.

1999 Iranian missiles. A September 1999 intelligence forecast said that Iran could test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting U.S. territory "in the next few years." Eight years later, Iran has made little progress toward acquiring an ICBM. In a January 2002 article for the Post, I argued that the upgrading of the Iranian and North Korean ballistic missile threat came at least partly in response to political pressure from the missile defense lobby.

2002 Iraqi weapons of Mass Destruction. The CIA, in NIE 2002-16HC, said that Iraq had "continued its weapons of mass destruction program," and could build a nuclear bomb "within several months to a year" if it obtained the necessary fissile material. Evidence for such a program was never found and it subsequently turned out that a key CIA source, a defector codenamed Curveball, had lied extensively. As with the October 1962 NIE issued just prior to the Cuban missile crisis, the 2002 NIE illustrates the corrosive power of conventional wisdom. Since Iraq previously had a WMD program, the operating assumption was that it still had one.

2005 Iranian nuclear weapons. An NIE predicted "with high confidence that Iran currently is determined to develop nuclear weapons." In December 2007, a new NIE judged "with high confidence that in fall 2003, Teheran halted its nuclear weapons program."



The reason for the sheer apparent incompetence of the CIA...............is because it is run by the NWO for thier own purposes - and they are working hand in glove with the Russian Communists to create their New Serf Order.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Nah!.

That's just a catch phrase,like a sales pitch.

What's coming is called collectivism.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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What's your claim for any of this??? You keep on posting old news and not a single current even to back up your claim...do you live in the past or something???



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
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Just who else is going to post stuff like this!!!? - if you automatically discount every thing written by opponents of collectivism you will never learn anything!


Why are you arguing with a paid disinfo agent? He's only doing his job.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
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Just who else is going to post stuff like this!!!? - if you automatically discount every thing written by opponents of collectivism you will never learn anything!


Why are you arguing with a paid disinfo agent? He's only doing his job.


So wait, because I'm asking for evidence I'm now a disinfo agent, seriously?


Would you like to buy one of my tinfoil hats? I can give you 2 for 1 if you ask nicely



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
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What's your claim for any of this??? You keep on posting old news and not a single current even to back up your claim...do you live in the past or something???


The point about predictions - IS THAT THEY WERE MADE IN THE PAST!

As for today - just who do you suppose is in charge of Russia!?


The New Nobility: The Restoration of Russia's Security State and the Enduring Legacy of the KGB by Andrei Soldatov and Irina Borogan Misha Glenny on a brave book that lays bare the political dominance of Russia's secret service

.....................The Russian President, Dimitry Medvedev, has recently had one of his periodic spurts of positivist thinking. His two watchwords, "modernisation" and "democracy", have been echoing across the local and international media as he seeks to ward off persistent accusations that Russia has returned to its bad old ways. "I know the shortcomings of our system better, perhaps, than anyone," Medvedev told an international forum, the Valdai Club, at the beginning of September. "But I categorically disagree with those who say that there is no democracy in Russia; that authoritarian traditions still rule."


Stirring stuff, but before the president throws his cap in the air and an emptied vodka glass into the fireplace, he may like to flick through the pages of The New Nobility, which charts the brief decline followed by the resolute resurrection of the KGB as a primary political force in the country. Or rather, he may not like it. Because every page in this book gainsays his claim in the most forceful fashion imaginable that democracy is now decisive in defining Russia's political direction.

www.guardian.co.uk...





posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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But what does Russia turning into a mafia state has to do with anything you claim??? It's not communists in charge in Russia, far from it in fact, it's the greedy mafia! If you believe communism still governs Russia, you are delusional...




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