Wake up America: You're being herded into socialism/communism...stop thinking as an animal of prey

Originally posted by whyamIhere
My friend George Carlin...RIP....The best video about this subject I have ever watched.

www.youtube.com...

He nails it (as always), RIP

The real owners, BIG BUSINESS own this country...politicians are nothing but puppets. So saying the US is becoming socialist/communist is beyond laughable.

HOW CAN WE ACCEPT THIS PLAN WHEN INFACT THE ENTENT IS MALEICE TO ALL MANKIND
Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963


15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.>Disarment of my american born right?<

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.>many enemies(communist states) want to elliminate usa<

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.>fari enough, every one should have food and medical needs met<

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)> ok this is a major no way, How can I trust the un, they havent put the people of any country into their NWO intentions<

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
>loosing my constituional rights is right because??<
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.>this is major bad, stupify the population to enslave us sounds more like it<

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.>again stupify the population because???<

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.>ditto to 20<

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”> and how would taking our artistic expression away benifit the world?<

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”> what is the reason for making art ugly other then to deeply depress the people, back to stupifying us<

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.> takign our free speech away is entailing extreme mind control, this oen is by far the worse in my opinion<

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.>the only reason pornography would be in their agenda would be to promote child sex<

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”> a way of illiminating moral values<

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”> this one for myself I tend to agree iwth, religios affiliation seem to be the cornerstone of most worldly issues, beware christians jews and muslims<

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”> I agree iwth this one also, but, then I ask why is the american school system starting to teach islam in public schools, therefore this is a double edged sword<

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.> this one is surely the highlight of the communist states, take awya the constitution all are guilty and easier to control<

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”> if they are to make communist states this is a must happen<

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.> like I want to be run by russia, that country that wants to take us out< > O ya slave country<

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc> this could work as all would have food and medicines according to our status that is<

Im against this, but I shall note, this is not just a democratic view, do not be fooled, both parties have their nasty intents in this, as democrats want control republicans want more more more...

reply to post by prexparte


Relax, the US is far far far from socialism or communism

This is nothing but another fear mongering tactic to distract the people from the real issue...the issue of corporations infiltrating the government and essentially controlling it. So they dig up the old fear of communism...how quaint

Originally posted by TexasChem

Originally posted by Boreas

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by TexasChem

 

Remember people, when you vote for your own self-interest, you're being "herded." But when your rights are stripped from you for "national security," while police and the military are elevated to become an unquestionable fourth branch of the government, you're experiencing "freedom."

Exactly. It's the "You're being herded the wrong way! Be herded this way instead." argument that's been going on for years. Politicians are not your friends. We will never ever be the United Socialist States of America or the Imperial States of America. It's all just a distraction game while they (meaning all who desire power above all else) pick your pockets while you're shaking your fists, too busy to notice.

Exactly!
This is one of the reasons people must learn to think for themselves from a logical frame of mind using reason to deduce what is best for society rather than relying upon the "state" to dictate societal needs.

So you would rather have wealth and private influence dictate societal needs... Then you factor in the fact that
citizenship is not requirement for operating in our market place and therefore dictating societal needs
Private dictate was the monarchy, wealth, title created influence and dictated law and liberty. This government was designed to give people the ability to shape and steer policy, but apparently "We the People" was a socialist plot. Just wait when mega business fully takes over the government, you can thank yourself for extending them the freedom to enslave you. What happens if they decide to go cashless??? Gotta keep em free,
a... Its in the works and you got less than ten years,

wake up

Originally posted by MMPI2

if you call yourself a liberal or a progressive or a communist, then you can not logically call yourself an American. the concepts are mutually exclusive.

Funny, I thought America was the land of the free. Not the land of "If you aren't a narrow-minded conservative/republican, you don't belong".

I think you would feel more comfortable in China. You know, where only one point of view is "Okay". Funny how there are similarities in extremist beliefs, despite the fact that you would no doubt attest otherwise.

reply to post by MrXYZ


I hate to tell you, but when the lower class has their needs met by the government ( welfare / Medicaid), and the Government bails out the upper class (General Electric, Goldman Sachs, General Motors, Banks ect.), we are already Socialist.

Oh, did I mention socialized health care or the demise of the middle class ? Or the fact that the bankers wrote the latest wall street regulations?

maybe we should be communist, i mean look how better off china is than us...

Originally posted by TexasChem
“We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of Socialism, until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”
- -Nikita Kruschev, Premiere of the former Soviet Union, 3-1/2 months before his first visit to the United States.

Why do you cite a 'quote' that is known to be false?

Is it because you didn't check your source or is it because you don't care about facts and think people on ATS are too dumb to check?

So tired of pathetic brain washed ignorant fools labeling everything "communism" or "socialism" just to spread their stupid propaganda and get their stupid political party elected. First of all, you people clearly don't even know what the words mean. Second of all, you clearly just label anything you dislike politically as "socialism" or "communism". Third, you are patheticly brainwashed by # like fox news and rush limidiot and all those other baffoons. Stop believing every sensationalism you hear. Fourth, what the hell is even wrong with taking some of the positives from things like socialism etc?

You are nothing but hypocrits who want to give over all your wealth and freedoms to corporations instead of govts as if one is any better than the other. At least the govt is elected, its our own damn fault we picked such douchebags, where as our corporate leaders/banker overloads are hired by the breadth of their greed with no say from us.

Thanks to pathetic propaganda like this thread, greedy assholes will continue to charge ridiculous prices for healthcare and whatever else, because they can, congrats on being brain washed by corporate interests and a stupid political party instead of being a free thinking individual. One day hopefully you'll realize, sometimes govt regulation is needed to stop these greedy corporations, just look at what America has become cause of this "socialism" "communism" fearmongering, a pathetic country where 1% of the population owns 99% of the wealth while we all slave away for them while they snort coc aine off of their tabletops made out of solid gold and laugh at our stupidity. And no, Obamacare was not the needed regulation, he basically just made the insurance companies richer, the sellout, we should stop spending our tax money on invading countries and other nonsense and instead give free healthcare to all taxpayers.

Its time to realize there is something to learn from all political and economic models and we should do whats best for the majority not what catch phrase corporate/political scumbags tell us is best for us. 2 party politics is failure anyone who labels themselves as a democrat or republican instead of thinking for themself is a fool, free market when it comes to basic human needs like medical care is failure and anyone who thinks $10,000 bills for 2 hours in a hospital with no surgery is "fine" is a fool (my uninsured friend had a kidney stone and thats what it cost to sit in a hospital for 2 hours and get some painkillers and a test done), grow the hell up. end rant

Americans who think they're living under Socialism, nevermind Communism, are short of a few screws.

I suppose that's what happens when you live in the Wests most renound propoganda state. Indoctrination and a misinformed population. You can tell with certain Americans that they love having enemies, imagined or real. Without them their lives would be pointless.

America is to the West, what North Korea is to Asia.

Half of America wants to be ruled under Communism. It's pretty hopeless at this point.

They collapsed Communism as a strategic deception - since no-one believed in it and it was economicaly backward. It was all a carefully planned 'collapse' as numerous defectors have attested to - or predicted well before hand.

That meant that the KGB took over the entire Russian state and was no longer held in check by the Politburo. Their goals remain the same!

Nina Karsov, in the interview with you, rightly quoted Jozef Mackiewicz referring to Western democracies as “deaf and blind men.” Western democracies never understood the Soviet system as such. The idea of deception as the foundation of foreign policy doesn’t fit into our way of thinking. Westerners can hardly comprehend a pursuit without material benefit, with strictly ideological goals based on a policy of conspiracy against other states. And that is what this is all about. We had quite a few predecessors of Perestoika in the past. We had the economic deception in the 1920s, deception of peaceful coexistence, and the ‘détente’ under the Brezhnev regime. Deception is an essential part of communist ideology. It is a central part of communism and it will continue to be like this. As Nina rightly pointed out, “it would be hard to believe that the wolf has become a vegetarian.” Communism is indeed totalitarian and was never interested in any compromise. So, the “end of communism” proclaimed by the West is a myth. And now we can see the resurgence of communism with the help of the Western right. Instead of punishing the communists for their crimes, the Western right has extended them a hand, like a sign of apology for defeating them. As Olavo de Carvalho nicely pointed out in the interview with Alex Newman for The New American magazine, “This absurd surrender of the winners was also stimulated by powerful globalist circles, whose interest in establishing worldwide bureaucratic controls converges with the objectives of communism.”
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Socialism is great,I gotta say alot of you americans are brainwashed to fear it god knows..why hmm so the cooperate can contiune to save money not giving sh** about Your average joe n such thats why so they can use the money to create new Weapons of mass destruction,

if a person is unable to fend/job for themselves they get free Money from the state to buy Food/Appartment Payments/Activties/ and also Free School even if u goto the most Prestigious university ITS FREE the state pays for your education, this go for Drug addicts/bum n such and they also get Counciling and therphutic help Notice (FREE) if they want, and this also includes Free Healthcare FOR ALL even if your a bum on the street, you do not have to go "uuuups" i dident have Healthcare n i got hurt this sucks... now i got a big ass bill wich i will never be able to payoff making me a slave for the rest of my life, probably be put in some Prison Camp to work off my bill ,
American System is flawed its like Everyman for themselves, and dont give a s**** about your fellow human let em rot,

I live in norway, wich is socialistic country, the average payment here is 62.0294 USD for people who Wash Floors, and since all got free education its up to you if you want to get a good Job its not based on your Families income, so if you come from a poor family your unable to get the education you need/want even if your bright, but cant because money falls short thats American way, Keep the Gap between Rich and Poor FOREVER the poor gets # jobs due to Money not intellect, and the rich just take over the monopoly scheme and make it go on forever,

For people who does not have a job due to Mental/Physical condition and or other things in norway they get handed:28.8697 USD, + They pay the landlords rent, oh and i forgot + Vecation money in the summer so you can Travle the world if you'd like,

one of the best things is the richest person here get the same threathment as a BUM if he get hurt within the vicinity of the best hospital, cause your human no more no less then the Richman,


If you dont like To help your fellow human you should be Shot, cause your not human, Humans are Social Being, not greed based,if you study Primates you see they Share with their fellow Primate, not stack up all the banans he found for himself.

Originally posted by aaa2500

Originally posted by TexasChem
“We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of Socialism, until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”
- -Nikita Kruschev, Premiere of the former Soviet Union, 3-1/2 months before his first visit to the United States.

Why do you cite a 'quote' that is known to be false?

Is it because you didn't check your source or is it because you don't care about facts and think people on ATS are too dumb to check?

There are quotes directly from the Secretary of Agriculture Ezra Taft Benson stating Kruschev made the statement to him in a conversation.Ronald Reagan who many consider to be one of the greatest Presidents in the modern era also confirmed this. I think direct quotes from both of these individuals is enough for me. I am not going to question the integrity of two of the greatest Americans to live in the modern era.

Originally posted by EtherPrism
Socialism is great,I gotta say alot of you americans are brainwashed to fear it god knows..why hmm so the cooperate can contiune to save money not giving # about Your average joe n such thats why,

if a person is unable to fend/job for themselves they get free Money from the state to buy Food/Appartment Payments/Activties/ and also Free School even if u goto the most Prestigious university ITS FREE the state pays for your education, this go for Drug addicts/bum n such and they also get Counciling and therphutic help Notice (FREE) if they want, and this also includes Free Healthcare FOR ALL even if your a bum on the street, you do not have to go "uuuups" i dident have Healthcare n i got hurt this sucks... now i got a big ass bill wich i will never be able to payoff making me a slave for the rest of my life, probably be put in some Prison Camp to work off my bill

,
American System is flawed its like Everyman for themselves, and dont give a # about your fellow human let em rot,

I live in norway, wich is socialistic country, the average payment here is 62.0294 USD for people who Wash Floors, and since all got free education its up to you if you want to get a good Job its not based on your Families income, so if you come from a poor family your unable to get the education you need/want even if your bright, but cant because money falls short thats American way, Keep the Gap between Rich and Poor FOREVER the poor gets # jobs and the rich just take over the monopoly scheme and make it go on forever,

For people who does not have a job due to Mental/Physical condition and or other things in norway they get handed:28.8697 USD, + They pay the landlords rent, oh and i forgot + Vecation money in the summer so you can Travle the world if you'd like,

If you dont like To help your fellow human you should be Shot, cause your not human, Humans are Social Being, not greed based,if you study Primates you see they Share with their fellow Primate, not stack up all the banans he found for himself

The last time I checked it was a criminal act to take from one man his wealth through the use of, or threat of violence and yet you agree that it is fine for the "state" to do so.You seem smitten with the idea of taking one mans hard earned wealth to give to another even if that other makes the decision to be a drug addict and not be productive in society and responsible for their own wellfare.Where is the logic in that statement? What happened to personal responsibility?

Originally posted by TexasChem

Originally posted by EtherPrism
Socialism is great,I gotta say alot of you americans are brainwashed to fear it god knows..why hmm so the cooperate can contiune to save money not giving # about Your average joe n such thats why,

if a person is unable to fend/job for themselves they get free Money from the state to buy Food/Appartment Payments/Activties/ and also Free School even if u goto the most Prestigious university ITS FREE the state pays for your education, this go for Drug addicts/bum n such and they also get Counciling and therphutic help Notice (FREE) if they want, and this also includes Free Healthcare FOR ALL even if your a bum on the street, you do not have to go "uuuups" i dident have Healthcare n i got hurt this sucks... now i got a big ass bill wich i will never be able to payoff making me a slave for the rest of my life, probably be put in some Prison Camp to work off my bill

,
American System is flawed its like Everyman for themselves, and dont give a # about your fellow human let em rot,

I live in norway, wich is socialistic country, the average payment here is 62.0294 USD for people who Wash Floors, and since all got free education its up to you if you want to get a good Job its not based on your Families income, so if you come from a poor family your unable to get the education you need/want even if your bright, but cant because money falls short thats American way, Keep the Gap between Rich and Poor FOREVER the poor gets # jobs and the rich just take over the monopoly scheme and make it go on forever,

For people who does not have a job due to Mental/Physical condition and or other things in norway they get handed:28.8697 USD, + They pay the landlords rent, oh and i forgot + Vecation money in the summer so you can Travle the world if you'd like,

If you dont like To help your fellow human you should be Shot, cause your not human, Humans are Social Being, not greed based,if you study Primates you see they Share with their fellow Primate, not stack up all the banans he found for himself

The last time I checked it was a criminal act to take from one man his wealth through the use of, or threat of violence and yet you agree that it is fine for the "state" to do so.You seem smitten with the idea of taking one mans hard earned wealth to give to another even if that other makes the decision to be a drug addict and not be productive in society and responsible for their own wellfare.Where is the logic in that statement? What happened to personal responsibility?

Umm, its heavy texation thats how this is acomplished EVERYONE in norway is living the good life you may apply to Schools/universities as many times as you want For Free, and since most manage to get themselves a good job not many resort to Crime, our crime-rates is low, we do not have Armed Police Publicly only if the crimnal were to have one then they would Equip themselves,

Decision is not always so its alot of Social-Engineering and "cool-ness" act wich lead to such things like all the Music Video from america with people Driving Fancy Car,Doing drugs n such it certainly rub of to the youth, to think that Drug is what the successful person do,Subconsciously...,not if you ask them directly but it will influence her/his decision even without her knowledge. and if someones unwise choice should condemn them forever by not Helping them then, were no better then demons in hell

Since all got free education its up to you if you want to get a good Job its not based on your Families income, so if you come from a poor family your unable to get the education you need/want even if your bright, but cant because money falls short thats American way, Keep the Gap between Rich and Poor FOREVER the poor gets # jobs due to money and not Intelect, and the rich just take over the monopoly scheme and make it go on forever,

There is no difference between rich and poor here, and some extent it piss some rich people of that they get same medical threathment as a bum but a bum is a person and no less or more human then your rich smug,

i know someone who washed floors in Russia came here, got free education and became a marine biologist,

By no stretch of the imagination is the US heading for communism. Capitalist dictatorship run by banks and US based multinationals, yes very easily.

I wonder what the motive is of those who cry "communism is coming"? Are they stooges of those bankers and multi national directors wanting to accelerate their dictatorship? Are they deluded individuals falling for the b.s. by those same powers that be.

reply to post by TexasChem


So in your head socialism=communism?

You show that you have no IDEA what socialsm is realy about, and you would rather write a BOOK then read a definition of socialism, some of the BEST countrys in the world with the BEST FREAKIN STANDARD are social...

A SOCIAL COUNTRY= FREE SCHOOL, FREE MEDICAL, FREE HOUSING, in other words it is the governmental softnes twards the SOCIETY in makin thayr lives more simple and easy..

ONLY THE COUNTRYS WITH THE BEST SOCIAL STANDARD CAN EVEN OFFORD BEING A PURE SOCIALIST COUNTRY.. e.g.: in sweeden you get your own house and every child must by law have thayr own room, the government actualy provides for this, children at the age of 18 get thayr own home BY LAW!


COMMUNISM- IS A ONE WAY GOVERNMENT; THERE IS ONLY ONE GOVERNMENT FROM WHICH YOU CAN CHOOSE, AND DISSAGREEING WITH THIS CAN GET YOU IN JAIL ETC:: ETC:::

It hurts me bad too see how some of you americans dont have the slightest idea what socialism even is, and how you automaticaly make it equal to communism...
Please read about other governments, ideologys etc..

DENY IGNORANCE PLEASE

Originally posted by nocents
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

I hate to tell you, but when the lower class has their needs met by the government ( welfare / Medicaid), and the Government bails out the upper class (General Electric, Goldman Sachs, General Motors, Banks ect.), we are already Socialist.

Oh, did I mention socialized health care or the demise of the middle class ? Or the fact that the bankers wrote the latest wall street regulations?

edit on 23-1-2011 by nocents because: (no reason given)

edit on 23-1-2011 by nocents because: to add stuff x2

Bankers writing WS regulation is NOT communism!! It isn't socialized healthcare because people are buying healthcare from PRIVATE COMPANIES, also not communism. The lower class (or middle class for that matter) don't have their needs met, in fact, they're on the the losing branch ever since Reagan came to power...all the while the rich folk got more and more tax breaks. Why? Because those same rich people can manipulate the government through their companies. Just look at Goldmann Sachs' influence on the US government, it's scary.

In no way, shape or form is the US socialist or communist, only a blind brainwashed monkey would see it that way. For crying out loud, look at the facts!

personally i would like a link to the source material