Wake up America: You're being herded into socialism/communism...stop thinking as an animal of prey

You know I have to apologize to American's for some of the posts I have given on subjects like the one in this thread. I have several times written how disappointed I am in the USA for standing by and watching their government destroy them as they just hurdle together and watch the implosion.

Any US citizen that is on this site obviously knows what is going on, and can see the truth about their leaders and what they have done to them. Any of the comments I made I now realize are of no good being posted here because they are not reaching the intended audience I would have meant for them.

But, I do realize now as well that Pop music wars, Award Shows, Entertainment Tonight, Jersey Shore and the Kardashian's keep all these people far to busy watching instead of thinking, and because this is what they have been conditioned to do for decades it really isn't the US citizen's fault's at all for the oblivion in which they live in.

Hopefully the US will somehow, someway make a comeback to at least resemble the greatness it once was so that all the tv watching sleepers will never actually be forced to wakeup into reality, or ever have to know the truth about the Red, White, and Blue and their founding fathers that they believe in so much.

yeah right...i guess that's why a democratic congressmen got shot, along with the liberal supporters there to hear her, and that's why keith olbermen got taken off the air, and that's why phil donahue who bashed the right and corporations got taken off the air...because there IS SO MUCH LIBERALISM IN THIS COUNTRY....yeah...right...tell me another fairy story.

This OP sounds like something from the John Birch society of the fifties.
This from something in 1963 as if it still applied to today’s world is strange to say the least.

Where are all the communist threats to America save in the imagination of people stuck in the fifties and sixties and other folks who don't understand that freedom had its nuances.

Merely because there are things like Social security in America something that exists in some form in ALL the developed countries in the world, is that what you call communism?

Real communist and socialist laugh at an assertion that America is anywhere near any form of communism or socialism, not the way this country allows corporations to do what they want.

What do we want to go back to the 1920’s when people were forced to work 20 hours a day in factories with their children

reply to post by inforeal


this country is becoming a true facist nation (corporate and wealthy in control of political offices), and people are still worried about communism. how can a capitalistic corporate society like ours possibly become communist...it can't, but they are still trying to eliminate any type of government help to the middle class and poor. there is a class war happening, and it's all about taking as much as possible from those middle class and poor segments of our society, and handing it over to the wealthy. we are becoming a nation that services the wealthy. there is such a subtle and discreet tyranny in this country taking place, that people do not even realize it. let's just say that if Dwight D. Eisenhower ran today for president, he would be thought of as a democrat, instead of the staunch republican he was back in the 50's.

reply to post by MMPI2


i could show you in a clear, rational, and convincing manner how socialism is the natural fate of living beings. at several distinct moments of biological evolution, there were moments in which the individual unit (cell, organ, organ system) subjected itself to a larger collective (body). cells are called upon to become specialized task units and, shockingly, to sacrifice themselves (apoptosis) for the collective good. therefore:

"if you do not call yourself a liberal or a progressive or a communist, then you can not logically call yourself a human. the concepts are mutually exclusive."


you are a monster. how dare you.

even if you deny evolution, you cannot deny that this is the function of your own body.

btw, i could also show how the organism sustains itself through a conservative value system. the point i am trying to make here is that it is preposterous to value (or denounce) one over the other.

i have one last request for you, one of the loudest mouths on this board: please stop with the preemptive bashing. "i cant wait till the numbskulls get here....." i see this time and again. cant you at least wait until they arrive before you launch into them?!

reply to post by TexasChem


So were does anarchism fit in? What about people that promote Pro-Big brother,Pro-Corporate,Pro-globalist agendas?

We are being herded into corporate fascism. Not socialism(for the people).

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by TexasChem

 

So were does anarchism fit in? What about people that promote Pro-Big brother,Pro-Corporate,Pro-globalist agendas?

We are being herded into corporate fascism. Not socialism(for the people).

edit on 23-1-2011 by John_Rodger_Cornman because: (no reason given)

yup and the tea-party candidates, and their supporters NEVER talk about that, it's only communism and socialism...it's like they can't see who is really in charge...hello wallstreet, banks, BP, etc.
this is why i think that the tea-party is just another right-wing front

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The Whole Zionist conspiracy has been created to shift the blame away from the activities of the Jesuits - for which they had already been disbanded previously - they use jews front and centre stage for a lot of their productions for this very reason.

In the final week of his studies, having completed seven (7) years as the star pupil of the Jesuits, Stalin is variously claimed to have quit or been expelled. Neither account, adequately explains how a seminary student of seven years, suddenly appeared influential and active in coordinating the Georgian Social-Democratic movement less than 12 months later - an achievement that could not possibly have happened without substantial support.

The more credible and controversial conclusion is that Stalin did graduate from the Jesuit Seminary as a proper Jesuit priest, with his first assignment being to infiltrate and manage the Georgian underground against the Russian Tsarist Government.

Again, the fact that Stalin was awarded an academic position at the Tiflis Observatory gives credence to his Jesuit credentials and completed study. His double life as a secret leader of the May day uprising of 1901 less than 2 years from graduating from the Jesuit seminary attests to his skill as a key Jesuit agent.
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As for jewish financiers - do you mean the Rothschilds!.................www.godlikeproductions.com...

The Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were the power in the old Bank of the United States. — Gustavus Myers, History of the Great American Fortunes, Random House, p. 556. The instigators behind Biddle in his efforts to establish the Central Bank were the Rothschilds. For whom was the Rothschild family working?
Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the title ‘Guardians of the Vatican Treasury’…. The appointment of Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church? — F. Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil, Harper Collins, page 160, 161

The Rothschilds were Jesuits who used their Jewish background as a facade to cover their sinister activities. The Jesuits, working through Rothschild and Biddle, sought to gain control of the banking system of the United States.
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Originally posted by Vio1ion
Thesis + Anti-Thesis = Synthesis

so picking some good concepts out of it does not mean you embrace the whole system.

IT does when you have pretty feathers and sit atop someones shoulders

People don't be fooled by divide and conquer politics, most of it is a distraction, just to keep people riled up and fighting with each other..

Those that hold the real power in this world are those that have the biggest piles of money, goods, property and power over nations and power over those who have less.

They buy and sell whom ever or what ever they wish and sooner or later most Governments. When they do this they then have control of the peoples tax base and banking systems.

So watch out for the political chaff, while the real forces of control work behind the scenes.

My god. Some of you people REALLY need to figure out just what the hell you are talking about. Some of the paranoid posts on here sound like they were written by school children.

Socialism isn't a terrible monster, yet you'll attack it and still defend corporate oligarchy.

Fools.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by MMPI2

if you call yourself a liberal or a progressive or a communist, then you can not logically call yourself an American. the concepts are mutually exclusive.

Actually, in America, I have the right to call myself whatever I want, do I not?
Or do you hate freedom?

falling right in along the progressive/communist agenda I see...

Originally posted by jimmyx
reply to post by inforeal

 

there is a class war happening, and it's all about taking as much as possible from those middle class and poor segments of our society, and handing it over to the wealthy. we are becoming a nation that services the wealthy. there is such a subtle and discreet tyranny in this country taking place, that people do not even realize it.

The painfully obvious part is its not a war, that is the core function of business, people get into business
to acquire as much money as possible, it's simple. Corporate America and our freedom loving politicians are
doing their level best to create a self serving system where you can not vote out or question the policy makers
(companies). Then we has geniuses parrot on about socialisms, while our private billionaires become exponentially more wealthy due to free trade practices that were designed to free up the market place
as OP desires. Further more if me or you expect my government to advocate for me we are socialists as
opposed to intelligent citizens...

Morons who expect 1984 can't bother to notice ITS A BRAVE NEW WORLD

Originally posted by mr-lizard
My god. Some of you people REALLY need to figure out just what the hell you are talking about. Some of the paranoid posts on here sound like they were written by school children.

Socialism isn't a terrible monster, yet you'll attack it and still defend corporate oligarchy.

Fools.

No - seems like quite a reasonable proposition doesn't it!

But just look at the history of it..................Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro.....................its all gulags, secret police, dead bodies and rivers of blood!

Or just look at the US inner cities - they ought to be socialist utopias by now with the time and money lavished on them by all the progressive know-it-alls!

About half of those points state stuff that's actually good and should happen if it hasn't already...the rest hasn't happened. If you seriously believe the US is communist or turning into a communist country...you are DELUSIONAL!!!

For crying out loud, if anything, we live in a corporatist system where companies rule everything...they were able to infiltrate the government to the point where they got billions of dollars of bailouts, they also make sure that it's really easy to ship jobs off shore.

Companies rule the US, NOT the government!!

Originally posted by MrXYZ
About half of those points state stuff that's actually good and should happen if it hasn't already...the rest hasn't happened. If you seriously believe the US is communist or turning into a communist country...you are DELUSIONAL!!!

For crying out loud, if anything, we live in a corporatist system where companies rule everything...they were able to infiltrate the government to the point where they got billions of dollars of bailouts, they also make sure that it's really easy to ship jobs off shore.

Companies rule the US, NOT the government!!

Please re-read what you posted sir.
If as you say in your post is true and the government was infiltrated by the corporatists then the government is indeed controlling business production.
In an economic system of socialism, the state (Government) owns the factors of production does it not?

reply to post by Janky Red


There cannot be a free market if the government controls business through regulation.
A truly free market would be governed only by supply/demand.
This is definitely not the case at all in our world.

Originally posted by TexasChem

Originally posted by MrXYZ
About half of those points state stuff that's actually good and should happen if it hasn't already...the rest hasn't happened. If you seriously believe the US is communist or turning into a communist country...you are DELUSIONAL!!!

For crying out loud, if anything, we live in a corporatist system where companies rule everything...they were able to infiltrate the government to the point where they got billions of dollars of bailouts, they also make sure that it's really easy to ship jobs off shore.

Companies rule the US, NOT the government!!

Please re-read what you posted sir.
If as you say in your post is true and the government was infiltrated by the corporatists then the government is indeed controlling business production.
In an economic system of socialism, the state (Government) owns the factors of production does it not?

No.

The people own the means of production.

Public and common ownership of the means of production.

reply to post by TexasChem


But in reality it's the corporations who OWN the government, and not the other way around. For crying out loud, the latest financial crisis is proof of that...they screwed everyone over, which was only possible because of government deregulation, and then got away with it by getting the government to screw us over even more through bailouts.

And it doesn't even matter which party. Most of the deregulation happened under Bush and Clinton, and the bailouts started under Bush and were then continued by Obama. Face it, it doesn't matter who's in government, CORPORATIONS are running the US...and NOT the other way around. At least if you're looking at the facts instead of opinion blogs

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by TexasChem

Originally posted by MrXYZ
About half of those points state stuff that's actually good and should happen if it hasn't already...the rest hasn't happened. If you seriously believe the US is communist or turning into a communist country...you are DELUSIONAL!!!

For crying out loud, if anything, we live in a corporatist system where companies rule everything...they were able to infiltrate the government to the point where they got billions of dollars of bailouts, they also make sure that it's really easy to ship jobs off shore.

Companies rule the US, NOT the government!!

Please re-read what you posted sir.
If as you say in your post is true and the government was infiltrated by the corporatists then the government is indeed controlling business production.
In an economic system of socialism, the state (Government) owns the factors of production does it not?

No.

The people own the means of production.

Public and common ownership of the means of production.

So...how much was that royalty check you received across the pond in jolly old socialist England?