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Judge on an assassination list? How do we know J Laughner wasn't doing the whitehouse's bidding?

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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 07:32 PM
I mean, they've straight out said they'd assassinate anyone who stood in the way of or "threatened" "our" interests... of course saying it's all part of 'fighting terrorism...'

‘Dozens’ of US citizens on assassination list, White House adviser hints
In an interview last week with the Washington Times, however, Deputy White House National Security Adviser for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism John O. Brennan suggested that the number might actually amount to "dozens."

"There are, in my mind, dozens of U.S. persons who are in different parts of the world, and they are very concerning to us," Brennan stated, "not just because of the passport they hold, but because they understand our operational environment here, they bring with them certain skills, whether it be language skills or familiarity with potential targets, and they are very worrisome, and we are determined to take away their ability to assist with terrorist attacks,"

Is Judge Roll's Death Linked to him Ruling Against Exec Order to Confiscate Pensions & Savings?

Originally posted by wcitizen
If the facts in this article are accurate, it's very possible the real target of the Tucson shootings was Judge Roll.


ONE … DID … Obama recently signed an executive order allowing the feds to confiscate all 401ks and retirement accounts. Our media forget to inform us of this fact. A single judge adjudicated that Obama did not have that authority and stopped the confiscation.

Federal Judge John Roll … The judge, USDC court of Arizona Presiding Judge Roll, was shot and died on Saturday by a “crazed gunman.” The historical connotations are similar to Kennedy/Oswald in several ways.

If what the article is suggesting is true, the intense focus on Congresswoman Giffords and the whipped up furore about the Tea Party's violent rhetoric might have been a deliberate distraction from the real issues. TPTB would NOT want the public to become aware of the Executive Orders which allow the feds to seize pensions, 401k and private savings, and they definitely would NOT want a lot of publicity about Judge Roll's death, because people would start digging.

Was Federal Judge John Roll the real target?

Originally posted by loam
While reading the tragic events of today relating to shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and others, in Tuscan, AZ, I couldn't help but wonder if the real target was the federal judge, John Roll.

John Roll

In 2009, Judge Roll faced death threats after presiding over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. After Judge Roll ruled that the case would be certified, threats came from talk-radio shows which fueled controversy and spurred audiences into making threats against the judge[3].

After one radio talk show, Judge Roll's name logged more than 200 phone calls as some callers threatened the judge and his family[3]. This resulted in the judge and his wife being placed under a full-time protective detail for one month. A US Attorney's investigation identified four men as the makers of the threats, but no charges were filed[3].

In a July 9, 2009 interview with the Arizona Republic, Judge Roll described the time under high security as "unnerving and invasive. . . . By its nature it has to be," Roll said. Roll also said, "It (the security) was handled very professionally by the Marshals Service."[3]

Makes you wonder if Gliffords' shooting was a crime of coincidence. I'd say this thought is worth additional consideration.

"There are, in my mind, dozens of U.S. persons who are in different parts of the world, and they are very concerning to us, not just because of the passport they hold, but because they understand our operational environment here, they bring with them certain skills, whether it be language skills or familiarity with potential targets, and they are very worrisome, and we are determined to take away their ability to assist with terrorist attacks,"

1. "Different parts of the world," including the US?
2. Who understands the operational environment of the US better than a US federal judge?
3. The judge was obviously pretty familiar with their legislation which he helped shut down, or "targeted."

And anyone reading this should be pretty familiar with the US tactic of labeling anything that goes against the globalists' push as terrorism...
edit on 22-1-2011 by alaskan because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 07:45 PM
No it was the Vatican, or those pesky superintellligent mutant lemurs.

My point is we dont know, and we most likely never will. There is a pretty strong case that he was just Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs. I wouldn't put it past the white house to pull simething like that., but the right answer is usually the simpleist, the dude was just off his rocker.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:13 PM
reply to post by alaskan

Please stop mischaractizing the news article. The first one you posted deals specifically with Al anwari and those who actively participate overseas with foreign terrorists. It has nothing to do with assasinating anyone here in the states, or any member of Government.

So far the evidence suggests this guy acted alone. Until other info comes to light that would dispute that, its nothing more than a conspiracy theory that is based on absolutely nothing but paranoia coupled with taking articles from last year and misrepresenting them in an effort tolend weight to the accusation.

Its one thing to keep an eye on Government and hold them accountible. Its another thing entirely when people see conspiracies in everything they do without reason or rationale.

Common sense people.

What would assasinating a FEderal Judge in Arizona do? What would assasinating a Democrat house member do?

The Dems still control 1 1/2 out of 3 branches of Government. Removing a FEderal Judge in Arizona wouldbe easy enough using the DEmocrat majority in the Senate. Why remove a house member when it wouldnt change the makeup of the house?

See the problem?

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 11:29 PM
The judge just "dropped by". For Loughner to know about that there would have had to have been an insider tipping him off, someone who even knew about a last minute change in plans. Very doubtful.

If the judge were the target, Jared would have shot him first.

Judge as target is highly unlikely.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 11:55 PM

"The operations, approved by President Obama and begun six weeks ago, involve several dozen troops from the U.S. military's clandestine Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), whose main mission is tracking and killing suspected terrorists," Priest wrote. "The American advisers do not take part in raids in Yemen, but help plan missions."

"suspected" not proven guilty ?

posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:03 AM
This site sometimes...

I bet the shooter also hated Major League Baseball which is why he shot the girl. The only person he probably knew was Gabbie Giffords- the rest was just collatoral damage- he probably meant to kill as many people as he possibly could- and might have even planned to kill himself before the cops arrived.

This self destructive government fear mongering really sinks anything posted on this site into the muck. Just because you can come up with some hateful theory and google a couple of non-related news articles doesn't give you any insights. Seriously, I'd be ashamed to post this thread.

posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:06 AM

Meet Judge John Roll

"Widely respected." "A wise jurist."

The US news media heaped on the praise, but was purposefully vague about who this extraordinary judge was and what he actually did.

The early and oft-repeated media claim "the judge was just in the wrong place at the wrong time" doesn't ring true for several reasons, the most important being how the heck would they know and know so quickly?

Equally as suspicious, why did they feel the need to repeat this statement over and over again from the very beginning of the reports? Who inserted this into the news stream?

Judge Roll was an opponent of the Federal government overreaching its authority.


1. He ruled against federal imposition on states rights in gun law matters,

2. He ruled against elements of the Patriot Act (the part where federal "law enforcement agents" can seize your bank account without cause), and

3. He ruled against the newly announced FEMA Governor system in which the federal government plans to take the power of elected state Governors and put in in the hands of federally-appointed "regional" governors in the case of an "emergency."

It's a rare judge these days that stands up to this BS or shows any interest in the Constitution at all.

And he ended up dead in the parking lot of a Safeway Supermarket at the hands of a "lone nut" who local law enforcement allowed to run wild publicly making violent threats against employers and school administrators.

all coincidence ?

posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:09 AM
reply to post by xuenchen

not a coincidence at all, these are all recent legal matters and the man was a judge. He probably also ruled on land rights, water rights, federal law infractions, and so forth.

The man was killed trying to protect a member of Giffords staff. Of course that's what the lamestream media says, right, so it must be a lie. Of course, how did I let that one slip by.

posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:09 AM

Top US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda Posted by EU Times on Jan 9th, 2011 // 122 Comments [also note 1/9/11 date for an article that later references Christina Taylor Green's 9/11/01 birthdate]

First 3 paragraphs:

A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen's private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed.

According to this SVR report, Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who this past Friday issued what is called a "preliminary ruling" in a case titled "United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al" [Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Obama's power to seize American citizens money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed.

The case being ruled on by Judge Roll, this report continues, was about bulk cash smuggling into or out of the United States that the Obama administration claimed was their right to seize under what are called Presidential Executive Orders, instead of using existing laws. The Obama administration used as support for their claim before Judge Roll, the SVR says, the seizing of all American citizens' gold, in 1933, by President Franklin D. Roosevelt's signing of Executive Order 6102, which was ruled at the time to be constitutional.


Was Roll the intended target for assassination? Hidden in the 'plain sight' of a mass murder...

posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:13 AM
reply to post by xuenchen

Of course, because all judicial rulings are vacated once the offending judge is dead. You guys really got this one on lock down.

posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 12:29 AM
reply to post by xuenchen

I thought the opening sentence of the external content you quoted sounded familiar. Turns out it was familiar.

Top US Spy Chief Quits After Obama Orders 2 Americans Assassinated

An interesting Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report prepared for Prime Minister Putin circulating in the Kremlin today states that....

World Leaders Flock To Afghanistan After Mysterious ‘Time Well’ Discovered

A peculiar report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) circulating in the Kremlin today states that...

NSA chief resigns - will not assassinate Americans

An interesting Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report prepared for Prime Minister Putin circulating in the Kremlin today states that Obama’s top spy chief...

Obama Orders Military To Prepare For Spring Food Riots

A grim report prepared by France’s General Directorate for External Security (DGSE) obtained by Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) states that president’s Obama and Sarkozy

Now, can we please use a source that is reliable and not some reused story where the names and agenda have been changed to accuse whomever?

This conspiracy theory is about as accurate and beleivable as the cited articles in this post. There are many more "SVR reports" where this came from. Also, Russian Foreign Services, in addition to internal security, would not be so incompetant that would allow this many SVR reports to be leaked.

Also, as you can see with the French DGSE article, the opening info is identicle. Just the name of the service has been changed.

Source for below: ME

An interesting Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report prepared for Prime Minister Putin circulating in the Kremlin today states that members of the American conspiracy theory website,, have been trying to link the shooter in the Arizona massacre to a government conspiracy where the Obama administration had a Federal judge and a Democratic member of Congress assasinated because they found articles that are the same, except for minor details changed.

The report goes on to state that while Conspiracy theories do exist, paranoia seems to be taking hold of the website. The number of conspiracy theories reported on the site have increased by over 6,000% in the last few months. Based on intelligence estimates, the paranoia levels have risen so high, that the Decemeber 2012 deadline for the end of the world has been pushed up to Decemeber of 2011. The estimates go on to state that that the proposed Coinspiracy theories on the site are the cause of the end of the world date being moved up a year.

When members were interviewed, they said the Decemeber 2012 date was a conspiracy between the Mayans and the US Government reached approximately 16k years ago to keep the public in the dark and to prevent mass panic. They went on to state the 2012 date was agreed upon as a way to catch everyone off guard, so when the world did end in 2011, it would coem as a surprise.

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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:19 PM
my error.

i was convinced that SVR and DGSE were 100% reliable.

does the NYT have any info on this?

what is the official Mexican news agency saying (if anything)?

havn't heard much of anything that makes sense from the White House NSA.

posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:51 PM
and from very reliable and respected sources we learn this:

This is an amazing story. We now learn that Jared Lee Loughner’s mother Amy Loughner is a member of the SAME Reform synagogue as Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords! That means that Amy’s son, who lives with his Jewish parents, Amy and Randy Loughner, is ALSO a member of the same synagogue as his shooting victim, Rep. Giffords.

Why didn’t we hear about this from our super-sleuth national media?

Instead we hear that a White man is the shooter. We hear that anti-Semitism is his motive.

But now…now…some FACTS are leaking out!

and of course, a more reliable story here:

all this is a good example of how things get out of hand!

Xcathdra is correct about "sources"!

does anyone think Mossad was involved?

edit on 25-1-2011 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:48 PM
AND there's even MORE!!!

from Jan 11 2011:

On Saturday in Tucson, Jared Lee Loughner allegedly used a Glock 19—a lightweight, $500 semi-automatic commonly carried by law enforcement officials—to kill six people and injure 13 more, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. In 2007, Cho Seung-Hui used the same gun, along with a Walther P22, to kill 32 people at Virginia Tech before committing suicide.

And Giffords herself boasted to the New York Times in 2010: "I have a Glock 9 millimeter, and I'm a pretty good shot."

see the article

can anyone find the NYT article?

[color=cyan]if so, forward it to the Sarah Palin people!

oh wait ... here it is!


Politically, Ms. Giffords, 40, is as passionate as she is independent.

She is a longtime proponent of gun rights and tough border security — she once put out a news release ahead of President Obama announcing an increase of troops at the border.
She also sided with motorcycle riders who favor state legislation to ride helmet-free, as she does.


are these "sources" really "reliable"????

edit on 25-1-2011 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

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