Hello, I am back to explain a bit more about the Dulce Canyon facilities

reply to post by weedwhacker


Weedwhacker, we have never interacted in a thread to my knowledge, but being a member in one capacity or another here for nearly ten years, this is not the first thread like this with an OP like this I have read, and surely it is not a first for you. There are people in the real world willing to risk life and limb to release sensitive information to the public because they feel it is their duty. Why divulge the "true" functions of the Dulce base but bite back so vehemently on the rest of the OP's claimed knowledge? It's people like this that make the fruit bats that make ATS their home so paranoid about disinformation agents and the like.

I'm tired of insiders asking myself and my peers on this website to "read between the lines". I will order a dozen of your books and distribute them to people in my personal life if you start letting us in on the "things that would blow our minds" and stopped with the "I researched a document once that led to another document" nonsense. If I want to spend my evening decoding ciphers, I'll take a stroll to my grocer for a nickel Brain Buster magazine.

reply to post by hungrydirt


I hear you.....believe me, I do.

Color me "gullible" (is that 'puce'?? LOL!) Or whatever hue you choose....

For what it's worth....(won't mention various ATS "sign-on" dates, here...since you talked about other experiences, other 'boards')....FWIW I get a good "vibe" from the OP, here. AND, although I am Human, and can be fooled.....I like to think that I also possess a certain life experience, and capacity by now, to be able to tell....

....bottom line? I like what he has contributed. BTW....have you checked the "photo album" yet??

Might wanna......just sayin'......

So what is up, guys?

Either you take the information at hand and make an assumption that I am lying, and that this is all a farce, or do some research as necessary, see if I tell the truth on this and other posts/threads, and believe that I am who I say I am, and that I am revealing actual information you would not have access to without me.

So, people, what do you believe? Am I wasting my time placing the information I have placed and will placed, or am I making a valuable contribution?

Since there are people who still refuse to believe the man sitting in the Oval Office actually is the President, I do not expect unanimity. Still, a would like to know a concensus opinion, because I have spent quite a bit of time on ATS. As a new guy, there were many doubters for someone coming on and saying what all I have done. Those days should be over, and there is a body of work for your consideration.

Am I crazy, a liar, or someone who can tell the truth about a wide variety of topics, a disinformation specialist, a Roman gladiator in an earlier life, or what?

reply to post by Truth1000


MY vote??

Stay.

Those who cannot understand your (understandable) circumlocution? And the reasons for it?

(%$#k 'em)

reply to post by Truth1000


I'm new to posting here, but I have been reading your posts. I value your contributions and believe you are the real deal.

I think you know how I feel; I appreciate your contributions, even if some of
them require us to actually THINK about what you are saying; that is something that not everyone wants to do; they just want it handed to them on a platter.

Anyways, please continue posting and don't forget there is always the
"Really Above Top Secret Forum", for posting more sensitive items that
are not accessible by Google or the general public who may be visiting this
site.

Thanks Truth for giving us pieces of information ! I was wondering if you could elaborate on a classified program called the "W.A.S.P. (2)" ? Is there any nuclear powered (un)manned vehicle known to you that was on its way in the 80's or is still up today as a black project? Since it seems to be a personel carrier type of aircraft that was seen in the Cash/ Landrum incident it may be connected to Dulce base due to its nuclear powered propulsion system.

truth1000 .

as a long time member all I can say is......, your posts have been the Best in a long time on this forum.

PLEASE STAY !!!

thanks
snoopyuk

Presumably after seven pages and a couple of weeks some people are getting something out of this thread. It has been a polite and well-mannered thread and although it can seem like pulling teeth at times, if you haven't benefitted from the information here, you haven't been paying attention. Now we get a newcomer to this thread who shows up on page 6 and has not participated in the discussion at all suggesting it be moved and inappropriate. My reaction is: Say what???? Do you have anything to add to the discussion? If not, please move on. There are all kinds of threads here (Indeed, the vast majority) that I do not participate in. Everyone has the same option. If you don't care for this thread, at least have the courtesy to not disrupt it. If you actually read every post you will see that we actually discussed and settled this issue some pages ago. It's a done deal and, as far as I'm concerned, still applies.

Now, the title of this thread concerns the Dulce Canyon facilities. That is all anyone should expect from this thread and THAT question has been answered in full. We have now moved on with additional, but related issues. There are people here who are aware of Dulce and aware of its position in "the lore" so to speak. They know the stories attributed to Dulce and how they relate to the overall picture. The information presented here, unless you managed to miss it, has profound repercussions and implications in the field. If you are not a debutante drive-by poster and actually have some familiarity with the field (For fun, test yourself here.) you ought to have learned a whole lot from this discussion. This ought to affect how youi view other areas and issues. What you ought to have learned here is not trivial.

I would also suggest that though it's great and may feel good to take a sanctimonious approach to how someone thinks threads ought to proceed and what they ought to say, if you have never held a TS/SCI or similar, then you have NO IDEA what the issues are. If you HAD ever been in this position, you definitely would not have an attitude like that. Things are too serious; it's not the Boy Scouts.

By all means, let us continue the discussion, as we have previously agreed, right here, without disruption.

reply to post by schuyler


Excellent response. I would give you two stars, instead of one
if that were allowed.

Originally posted by Truth1000
BUT, why were ROCKET scientists moved from a great big open desert to a place like Northern Alabama, when that placed them much more obviously into a populated area?

Answer some of these questions and you might start making some progress.

I thought the idea was that it was particularly Nazi rocket scientists who were put in Alabama. They would probably not be trusted in a nuclear weapons complex in the southwest.

I agree that's pretty weak, though. What's your explanation?


Re Dulce as a supposed nuclear weapons assembly site:

As far as I know, production of fissile plutonium cores happen at Rocky Flats. Enrichment of Uranium was at Oak Ridge as you say, but the machining and assembly of components also happens at Oak Ridge (Y-12, in particular, with a concentration on thermonuclear secondaries), with final assembly of the whole package (electronics/casing/fissile parts/triggers/etc) at Pantex near Amarillo, TX.

What role did the underground area at Dulce play, and why was it, in particular, underground?

Hanford, Los Alamos, and Oak Ridge were inaccessible, but above ground.

I now see another post of yours:

The facility is made such that within seconds of a mishap, the entire site would be sealed off, to prevent the leak of any hazardous material to the outside world. Everyone inside would be lost, and that facility would probably never be opened for HUNDREDS of years.

Let me hazard a guess. The purpose of this facility was once to assemble gun-type fission weapons which were on the verge of criticality. The mishap would be a "criticality incident" as the euphemism, goes, an unintentional configuration of fissile material to be unstable (temporarily) to fast neutron fission. This of course is the principle of a fission weapon, except of course that a weapon is designed with sufficient containment for the fissile material to continue the chain reaction a few more exponential cycles before explosive disassembly.

These gun-type fission weapons are rarely (or not at all) used these days, one reason being their danger. As far as I am aware most more modern nuclear weapons (meaning somewhere since 1955) use plutonium cores with DT boosting. In their unarmed (no tritium injected) state, they are much further away from being at critical mass/configuration without massive compression, compared to the earliest uranium fission weapons.

So do cores from Rocky Flats go to this facility and on to Pantex? They're Pu and not U.

I have a question for Truth.

To what end?

Since you are an "insider" who sees things from a different point of view. What is the purpose of all this top secret stuff? The general explanation given seems to be that someone, either government types or others, are spending trillions and trillions of dollars trying to come up with new ways to murder people. It seems that a bullet, or poison, or machete will no longer suffice. Or that these same said folks are spending the trillions on trying to stop someone from being murdered for their stuff - wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to share?

For the life of my I can't understand the process here. Billions starve, and are enslaved to simply fuel a secret cadre of bases, scientists, and support staff who are doing things that seem designed to more effectively kill said slaves at some point. The slaves are controlled, they can be killed by conventional bombs, in fact, the trillions spent on this type of to secret action seems to have lead us to a very, very conventional war in Iraq - with more loss of life, more destruction (DU Bombs etc) then ever before but all done with guns, bullets, bombs, soldiers and the same mayhem we saw in the last 50 wars. So the effort seems not to produce weapons actually use on us slaves, but for some other reason - to what end?

We hear of antigravity planes - but we fly in planes largely built decades ago, with designs from even longer ago and the time it takes to build planes suggests that we'll never see anything different in our lifetimes. Industry lets out a new music player or a marginally faster computer every year, while we hear that these bases and the folks working their are making things that would blow our mind - if only they ever let them out. Since it is VERY clear none of it will ever be used for the slaves, what is the point? To what end?

The effort, the money, the systems of control you describe, the elaborate mechanisms of science all seemed to be for a reason - no? What is the reason? Given that the effort is not for the masses, for your family or mine, for your friends or mine, not for me or you, who is it for? Most of the people on the planet live in poverty. There are only 4, FOUR, countries not drowning in debt - much of that debt created by your systems. The planet is a polluted mess in many places, not getting better but worse. A silly guesstimate would suggest that these programs you support have consumed trillions and trillions, a gazillion man hours, untold volumes of energy (non-renewable and other) and have done nothing to mitigate the planetary troubles - right now a man just died of cancer, a disease you will not doubt attest has a cure in your inner circle. To what end was all of this effort as it is clearly, very clearly, not for the betterment of mankind as mankind could use all that fruit you have produced now? In fact, we could have used that fruit long ago - to keep us from winding up here, but it is clearly being generated for some other purpose.

If we assume for a minute that there are about 250 cia created terrorist around the world. If we assume the Russians have zero interest in waring with us (many have pointed out that they shared information during the faux cold war), and no one else really wants to kill the US just for fun, as all wars are most debt collection actions with a charade of some sort justifying it: religion, type of governance or resource excuse. This would tell us that the enemies are made up to justify your system's budgets? The routine goes: don't feed your neighbor, hoard your food, keep him angry, then get your other neighbors to give you money to build guns to protect you and them. If only you shared your food there would be no need for any of it, but those damn neighbors won't give you money to build the guns unless they feel threatened. So you provoke your sworn enemy neighbor once a month to get the money to build the guns. Only in the top secret world, you never use the guns, let alone use them - but you are building something.

So, to what end?

reply to post by crankyoldman


I find myself wondering if you have actually read the posts on this thread. That question has specifically been asked and addressed before:

If we've actually spent the trillion dollars and gotten ourself "advanced" in a secret sort of way and have these capabilities, what good are they?

You must have missed it. So I'm thinking maybe your post was simply to highlight your hyperbole (trillions and trillions and gadzillions! slavery! killing!) and your political point of view, with which your post is dripping all over the floor. As such it might be more apprpriate in the rant section, or political madness at the very least, where this sort of thing is expected.

I share your frustration, but the question is essentially a philosophical one. Here we have a guy who says he has been privy to some stuff and is willing, within limits, to share some of that stuff. THAT DOES NOT IMPLY that he is even capable of answering philosophical and policy-level questions. It kind of reminds me of that old Bill Cosby skit where someone asks the coach, "Why is there air?" And Cosby answers, "To pump up basketballs." Your expectations of an answer are unreasonable. It's obvious what your point of view is.

I think we should at least entertain the possibility, if only for a moment, that we are woefully ignorant of the facts and that we are making judgments based on that woeful ignorance. Further, if we were in posession of the facts, we might make a quick conversion when we realize what the ramifications are and what is at stake. I don't know, of course, but I am at least willing to consider the possibility.

Truth hasn't posted for a couple of days now, I hope we haven't lost him.

If only people read his profile page & followed the links they'd realize, like I'm sure many have on this thread, that he is a man of good charecter & is willing to help guide people towards the truth where possible.

I appreciate that.

He's given us clues already & although the puzzle is a mess right now I think progress will be made if we invest some time & research.

He made his profile page for a reason, he's posted certain things for a reason. The sooner everyone gets that the better. If he came back & told all, without people already connecting the dots themselves, there would be a hundred people calling "BS", Truth would be on his way to jail & this thread would be in the hoax bin.

Anyway, schuyler hit the nail on the head & put it better than I could back on page 3.

Originally posted by Truth1000
Holloman AFB is a horse of an entirely difference color. It is currently the home of the F-117 Nighthawks, as well as a depot for air-to-air drones for air combat and surface-to-air training. It is the closest official facility to the Trinity Site, where the first atomic bomb was detonated. The land is totally flat between the higher mountains to the east and the lower, more distant mountains to the west. If you travel further east, you reach the White Sands Space Harbor, where Columbia landed, I think in 1982. Beyond that lies White Sands.

It has always surprised me how much attention is paid to Area 51 while so little is paid to White Sands. Curious.

Except that there have not been F-117s at Holloman since about 2008, since they were retired as a combat aircraft.

reply to post by firepilot


I am sorry I was not up-to-date on my statement about the 117s and Holloman. They had always been their when I went to Holloman.

I hope I have provided some kind of help, but I think I will simply leave the conspracies to those who so thorougly enjoy them.

reply to post by Truth1000


C'mon. Truth. You are as much into conspiracies as anyone here. You got caught. Take it like a man. You're not the only one "in the know" here. Everyone has a few tidbits of knowledge that they are convinced are completely true. You've set yourself up as the Guru here, so naturally people are going to be looking for any blatant errors in your statements. You already treat us like children. You are very disdainful of your fans and seemingly angry and petulant when things don't go your way. You might be surprised at the number of advanced degrees held behind these avatars. You are not the only smart guy in the room.

Much of what you don't like here comes about because of the way you post. Just because you start a thread does not mean you either can or have the right to control it. You dole out little tidbits of quasi-information in Socratic fashion and ask us to read between the lines and guess at what you mean. It's no wonder you don't get the answers you want; you don't give sufficent evidence, hiding behind those amorphous "security" issues. You remind me of Steven Greer (also an MD, btw) who is fond of telling audiences, "I was talking to a VERY high ranking White House official (I wish I could tell you his name, but I just can't) and HE said Disclosure about UFOs is going to happen Real Soon Now." That's just irritating.

Let me tell you something. You don't really need to worry about security issues because you have already gone over the edge. If you think hiding behind a fiction label on your book means you 'technically' have skirted the issue, you're living in a dream world. I maintain that you cause more frustration than you feel. If you want better participation and better answers, be more straightforward.

If you want to take your innuendos and go home, fine. But stop playing with us. Stop teasing us.

The purpose of this thread was to discuss the Dulce Canyon facilities. I did that, I believe, in a professional manner, in spite of attempts to derail the thread with extraneous material, that in the most part is not only immaterial, but also inaccurate.

The are people who wish to discuss "Atlantis" (not referring to the STS orbiter), "Grays vs other aliens" and so forth. They can do so to their heart's content. I just wish for people, and there are people on this site with advanced training, who actually KNOW and were TRAINED about physics, aeronautics, optics, quantum theory, superconductors, who understand Bernouli's principle and equation, etc., etc.

There are REAL conspiracies that need to be revealed and discussed, that has affected our daily lives. This is not just from the American standpoint, but from other groups all over this world. What I see as the biggest threats to the common citizen of the world is not exotic, but rather more mundane. Our food is at stake, so I wrote a thread on the control of seed sources and related chemical that are PROPRIETARY, yet could determine nearly our total food sources twenty years from now. Some of the human genome findings are being kept under wraps because of their profound implications. With findings related to Metabolic Syndrome alone should be scaring people tremendously. Just this week a report was released that now 1 in 10 adults worldwide are classified as obese. With an understanding of Metabolic Syndrome, that, plus the fact that 1 in 4 American adults over age 40 are obese, then consider that 20 percent of our teenagers are seriously overweight and you can see the epidemic that is occurring. A medical study a few months ago stated that the current generation between 20 and 40 will, on the average, expect a SHORTER lifespan than their parents because their obesity is so severe, so early in life, that many of them won't reach age 65! While there are definite reasons for pessimism, there are brilliant scientists that are seeing through the problems to find new and amazing ways to solve problems most people don't even realize exist.

While I was part of the U.S. military and NASA, I dealt with amazing topics discussed by even more amazing people. These things may not be as "sexy" or as exciting as the many and varied topics discussed, but surely someone else is concerned about these issues!

This thread merely sought to eliminate all the crap about this facility, but hardly anyone is willing to accept ANY explanation they don't like. Is this a site merely meant to argue, or to learn, because sometimes you CANNOT have it both ways. Many years ago I realized that I learn more by listening to experts, rather than ridiculing them.

Originally posted by Truth1000
The purpose of this thread was to discuss the Dulce Canyon facilities. I did that, I believe, in a professional manner, in spite of attempts to derail the thread with extraneous material, that in the most part is not only immaterial, but also inaccurate.

You just derailed your own thread. What does obesity have to do with Dulce? Threads can have a life of their own. They don't always stay on topic. They lead you other places. That's not a bad thing. Get over it. That guy above was right on topic and nailed you, so you decided to take yet another swipe at people's favorite conspiracies. Why? He didn't. He wasn't talking any conspiracies. He was talking F-117s, period.

Your contempt for your audience is obvious; you've expressed it many times. On your other thread you said you were tired. well, so am I. I'm tired of these silly faux covert cloak and dagger games. My guess is you won't take my words above to heart any more than your audience will get in line and act like you think they ought to. If you have anything more to share about Dulce, out with it. If not, let's just move on.

reply to post by Truth1000


Huh?

Some of the human genome findings are being kept under wraps because of their profound implications. With findings related to Metabolic Syndrome alone should be scaring people tremendously.

Bit of a bombshell, there eh?? Slipped in....but, like the other topic of obesity, might be deserving of own thread??

Dulce, nevertheless, will continue to be pointed to and "believed" to be a base for "reptilians" by those who fail to read this thread. Those individuals will follow the "tales" spun by the likes of John Lear and Bob Lazar, et al.....regardless of any facts that are presented in discussion that point out otherwise..