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Big Business in, Native peoples out!

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posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 01:30 PM
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The U.S. Government has done it again. The systematic rape of traditional Native homelands has continued by President George W. Bush's signing of The Western Shoshone settlement legislation.www.indiancountry.com...

Am I surprised? When has our Government ever treated Native Peoples with due respect? Is it ironic that Congress is currently reviewing a bill that will in effect be an appology and an acceptance of responsability for the genocide and active attempt at annihilation of Native culture? Or is this appology bill just more Lip-service?www.indiancountry.com...

www.indiancountry.com...

Isn't it nice that we are SO concerned with tyranical governments such as Iraq's Sadam Hussein's yet we have yet to address our own tyranny over Native Americans.




posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 01:57 PM
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Wow!
No bites. People sure can get riled by all kinds of issues, just not Native American issues. And I thought that the more enlightened activists around here would care. Guess I was wrong.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 02:29 PM
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I just read the article and am still stunned and speechless!! Didn't our government do enough to these people, for God's sake? I have been disgusted with our government and its lack of integrity and ethics, but this is unconscionable!!
It bothered me when Arnold passed a law allowing CA to claim some of the profits from the Indian gaming here, but this takes the cake!!

If there is anyone in this country's history who has been wronged by our government, it is the American Indians. I thought we were supposed to learn from history so we would NOT repeat the mistakes of our forefathers.

Those who are supporting this measure must have sold their souls, and I hope that they realize how wrong this is in time to stop it. I'm probably hoping, in vain, but I just don't understand how, after everything that was done to the Indian people, anyone can rationalize this as being o.k.!



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 02:42 PM
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Share the pain Jez,
It is all too easy for the average American to ignore the plight of American Indians/Native Americans whom they have probably never even seen. We live in the West where most of the few remaining Nations have been forced, to lands that the Government thought useless. As resources have been discovered , they reneg on past treaties to capitalize on these new discoveries, to the exclusion of the people whom they thought they had already finnished screwing over.

Luckily for the Native Americans, they are far more resilliant than ever expected. I for one will do my utmost in defense of these First Americans. Thank you for joining me in this knoble quest.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 10:42 AM
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One response in 24hrs. by alledgedly concerned cititzens is the reason why Native Americans have been left behind.

Please read my links, awaken to the pressing needs of our brothers and sisters.
www.dickshovel.com...

This last link is an outdated petition, but the info. contained within is still just as valid today.

Folks, we can continue our obsessive attention to the Mid East and ignore domestic issues, or we can refocus our attention to our own dirty little secrets. The choise is yours.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 12:01 PM
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It's not just the Native Americans on the mainland that are getting the shaft.... but also Native Hawaiians, Native Alaskans... and Lord knows what other indigenous peoples in other 'territories'.

I have a friend in North Carolina who is acting as a liason between Native American tribes there and health care clinics in the area, hoping to encourage Native Americans to seek health care as some many of them don't avail themselves of services.

There are so many problems on reservations, one of which is alcoholism and fetal alcohol syndrome.

members.aol.com...

"World-wide incidence: 1.9 per 1,000 live births
Southwest Plains Indians: 9.8 per 1,000 live births
-Abel, 1988, Abel & Sokol, 1986

What causes this large difference? Genetics is the answer. The results of the latest research indicate that many more members of some populations, in this case the Southwest Plains Indians, are lacking or have a reduced amount of an enzyme necessary in the breakdown of alcohol. The amount of enzyme produced by the body is genetically coded. Therefore some populations must be even more careful in this regards just as some other populations are at a much higher risk of developing high blood pressure or having an infant with spina bifida. "

Also, some years ago I came across someone with an Adopt-An-Elder program as so many elderly Native Americans had no one to help them with money for heat and food in the winter.


Here in Florida, the Seminoles have the usual casinos to generate revenue which I've always thought was a sad way for them to have to bring in money. But what choice has America given them, anyway? The reservations are in sad shape and it's a terrible indignity to an indigenous people who are the *true* stewards of America and the original *environmentalists*! Just look at what has become of America since the Europeans took over ....



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 12:28 PM
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That's it, here, they can have my land back...I'll go back home from whence my ancestors came....germany, or england, anywhere but here...
Seriously, though, was this all their tribal land...I kind of get that impression. If so, just where is the tribe susposed to move to, or have they taken their soverienty away also?
Personally, I am waiting for NY to try to collect their tax money on the cigarettes and stuff sold on the reservations here...last time, it didn't turn out too well for them....
The natives should start setting up road blocks on the major highways that go through their reservations....the cars are polluting their air, killing their crops, harming their children....why should they suffer from our second hand exhaust.
look into what is being done to the native tribes in south american, africa, burma, all over probably...it's sickening. heaven forbid there be a group of people out there in the world that is living without being enslaved by our economic system. better take their land!!! Then they will be enslaved!!



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 01:10 PM
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Since the arrival of the pilgrim the Native American Indian has received nothing but slaps in the face.

Worst thing is something like this happens abroad and America put their red pants on and flowing cape are the great freedom fighters. Then it happens right under peoples noses and they don't give 2 s**ts.

North America belongs to the Native Indian, people need to remember that.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 01:38 PM
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Indiginous or Aboriginal Peoples the World over are being eliminated. Even the nomadic peoples of Iraq are being displaced or exterminated. It took a gold medal in the Australian Summer Games in 2000 by an Aboriginal runner to gain any attention to the plight of her people, of course it's mostly lip-service.

Native Americans in Central and South America have less than 10% remaining of thier ancestral lands. Alcoholism and disease run rampant through almost all of these societies. Coincidentally, it is the same few multi-national corporations that benefit most from the displacement and elimination of indiginous people. With the help of the WTO and the World Bank, Energy companies like Texaco/Shell, Halliburton, Bp/Amoco, chemical companies like Monsanto and Dow, mining companies like Benguet and Freeport/McMoran, Forest product companies like DMI, all benefit whereas the people they displace recieve a stipened at best.

When will this end? When these people, who have little or no representation, are extinct. Then you can count on the multi-nationals turning on the rest of us.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 03:02 PM
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So, Scottsquared.... what do u think the solution is?

Raising awareness? Writing to the White House? Writing to the elders of tribes?

I always thought the Native Americans who had 'made it big' in white society should have bought up real estate like it's going out of style! Between that and the native lands, maybe they'd have a chance...



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 04:04 PM
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Solutions? Nice thoughts, but can you name ONE Native American who has "made it big?" Second, land ownership is a foreign concept to Native peoples, stewardship is a more accurate description of the percieved relationship between the land and it's people.

1st and foremost: Respect and compliance with the sovereignty of the individual Nations.

2nd: Funding for Schools, infrastructure, and cultural identity(Museums, gallaries, dance, preservation of language, preservation of the Story Telling Tradition.)

3rd: Ceasation of indoctrination programs

4th: Pay Fair market value for resourses garnered from Native lands and for the lands previously accuired.

5th: Awareness of the general population.

6th: Unified Political Action Committees

This is just a start, I will have to put more thought to the subject. I would appreciate input from other caring, intelligent folk.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 04:18 PM
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Fair trading is a big way to help peoples gain some form of economy. Boys in Africa got less then 1p/1cents to go into a mine and dig for Dimonds. When that dimond is sold by the industry it makes 1000s of pounds/dollars. Coco pickers in Ghana again get 5p/cents a week, yet chocolate bars sold make an average of 35p EACH here in England.

Whenever I buy food product I always try and buy fair trade products. Do I REALLY know its making a difference?? no. But Its what I can do, actively, to try and make a little difference.

A perfect world is not possible but a fair world is.

[edit on 12-7-2004 by 7th_Chakra]



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 07:41 PM
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Thanks for the input folks! We can do just like Psi says and write to our representatives at every level. Cattlespy's Adopt an Elder Program sounds excellent! Fair trade is the only way to alleviate poverty worldwide. Volunteer your services any way you can. Get involved!


Access to adequate Healthcare is a pressing need. Healthcare workers are desperately needed as are teachers. Too many Native Americans live without electricity or running water. Construction workers are needed.

Mostly, what's needed is a whole paradigm shift in the way the rest of society views indiginous people. Indoctrination into today's "Modern" societies is the last thing that needs to happen. We need a fuller understanding of Their cultures. The Cultural Warfare has to end!



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 08:17 PM
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Most of you have no clue what you are talking about. First of all the majority of the triibes involved agreed to this and it is a minority that is represented by the artical. History is history and you better read up on it before you spout about the bad white men of the world. Before we came here the indians did the same thing as we did to other tribes. Kill all of the men capture the women and breed out the genes of that tribe it is fact it is history and it is survival of the fittest. Was it horrable for anyone to do this,Yes but that is the way the world has been. Do we also give back the southern U.S to Mexico are they not the indigenous people? Do you not comprehend that if your power company wants to put a pole in the middle of your house you are moving no matter what race you are. Its called Emminate Domain or the owners deciding who gets what.



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 03:00 AM
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History is written by the victors.

For example 'respected' history would tell us Zulu Tribes men signed an agreement to give some of the dimond mines to the dutch many years ago. What 'respected' written history didn't say was they got them drunk and they didn't have a clue what they were doing.

History is more then often a one sided account. For TRUE history we need the side of the writter, the side of the written and the observers, which is becoming more and more lost.



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 03:36 AM
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Well, I guess they think they're making good on genocide. But what they can't take back is my mind and the people's minds who realy owned this place. But, the people who "owned" this place didn't look at it in that aspect, they looked at it the way every american should, they weren't or still aren't concerned about the dow jones, they weren't concerned about the market at any given day. they were concerned about the land and what it would be like for their children. I hope we can learn from their wisdom, I hope we can look at the land as every- ones, and further more our children's land, Maybee I'm a indian communist but, they understood so much that us, being the mateirialistic people we have learned to be will never comprehend what they belived in. thanks to the person who started this thread, my brother is good in school but does'nt know who crazy horse is. Children have the right to know.



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 04:41 AM
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Ideally we should respect the originals peoples/traditions/cultures of a certian land whilst acknowledging the fact Earth is everyones to explore.

Thats idealistic I know but its where we need to be.



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by factfinder38
Most of you have no clue what you are talking about. First of all the majority of the triibes involved agreed to this and it is a minority that is represented by the artical. History is history and you better read up on it before you spout about the bad white men of the world. Before we came here the indians did the same thing as we did to other tribes. Kill all of the men capture the women and breed out the genes of that tribe it is fact it is history and it is survival of the fittest. Was it horrable for anyone to do this,Yes but that is the way the world has been. Do we also give back the southern U.S to Mexico are they not the indigenous people? Do you not comprehend that if your power company wants to put a pole in the middle of your house you are moving no matter what race you are. Its called Emminate Domain or the owners deciding who gets what.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong!
Get your story straight. First of all, my first link refers to the Shoshone Nation.

"Because acceptance of the award would create the perception that any claims to their land have been relinquished, the majority of Western Shoshone governments have steadfastly refused the money. Despite the July 7 signing, several Western Shoshone tribes and tribal members said they will continue to rely on the Ruby Valley Treaty to press their land claims.

This has never been easy for them. Another sticking point in the process of seizure has been a court ruling that the tribe could not litigate the award once its trustee, the Interior Department, accepted receipt of it.

Although tribal sovereignty is not vested in individuals but in tribes, Congress has relied on individual votes, cast in rather stage-managed proceedings, to determine that a "majority" of Western Shoshone tribal members favor distribution of funds and the resulting extinction of their land claims. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., and his Republican ally in the House of Representatives, fellow Nevadan James Gibbons, persuaded their colleagues to pass the embattled bill mainly on the strength of vote tallies in proceedings that had no official sanctioning process across all the Western Shoshone tribes, but concentrated on Nevada tribes.

The Ruby Valley Treaty lands are rich in resources, including gold, water and geothermal energy. Multinational mining companies are standing by to operate within the Ruby Valley lands through "privatization" bills brought forward by Gibbons. Gibbons and Reid are among Congress leading recipients of mining company contributions."

Second, where on Earth did you get the idea that The Nations were in some constant state of war? That one Nation would conquer another and supplant the vanquished? This is simply not true. Though there are certainly some examples of aggressive acts between overlapping Nations, aggression was never the rule, rather the exception. Show me your alleged "facts." Since it is YOU who has asserted this, the onus is apon YOU to defend your point.

Eminent Domain is an imperialist construct. You may argue that the Governed have accepted this by Tacit Concent, but the Nations have vehemently and repeatedly denied such concent. How can one Government imply Eminent Domain over another sovereign Government? They cannot.

Survival of the fittest? Since when has this been a moral argument? Have we not evolved beyond this point? Because one person or one Nation is bigger, stronger, better armed; do they have some Natural Right to Lord over the smaller, weaker, unarmed? This is the very reason for the institution of Law. That the Government of The U.S. has failed to consistently act in accord with Law is a hypocrisy of incredible magnitude, and the main point of this whole thread!

Please! Think with your concience!



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 09:45 AM
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Personally, I feel the Native American/Indians should have more. Say, like a position of government on a federal level, somewhere in D.C. for instance.

I'm disgusted with the many corrupt administrations, and their refusal to recogize the people.

Just for everyones information, if I was "Commander in Chief" my cabinet would have seats reserved and waiting for the right Chief/s to occupy.

I won't go on, as this is a serious subject to me, and I'm already



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 02:21 PM
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An excellent history lesson is available here: encarta.msn.com...

If a society is judged by how it treats it's least fortunate members, it's sick, it's elderly, it's minorities, then our's is not to be judged as particularly enlightened.



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