reply to post by dontreally
"So, naturally, than.. those who dont express both sides of their inclinations, are afraid to? Or maybe theyre thoughtful, and courageously suppress
the expression of the negative, and damaging, in favor of the"
Perhaps that is the case. Humanity contains a range of emotion. I choose to experience all. Sometimes we don't even have a choice in the matter, do
we? This does not mean that I cause any ills upon others however.
"Gnosticism is the EASIEST most convenient philosophy in the world. Because it is so easy, and requires little to no effort; and results in egomania,
it is clearly wrong. The bible makes reference to this on many occassions in the snake, cain, pharoah, amalek.... The worlds elites are just these
sort of people."
I'm not sure where you are going with this statement .
"And as for music not regulating emotion.. I dont think that can be logically argued. Music underminds intellect, and therefore goes straight to the
emotional, feeling side of consciousness. If people only understood what music actually does, and what it will inevitably lead to, they would be much
more careful to select what music they gravitate to. Notice i say gravitate to. You seem to imagine that feeling is more internal than intellect.
Well, thats obviously not true, although it is a dogma of modern psychology. Intellect should govern emotion, and not all emotion is good, and thus
the reason why are intellect has the unique ability to choose some things, and reject others. No animal manifests this. What an animal yearns for, it
goes after; whether or not it is good for them or not (for instance my dog regularly eats wood because she likes the flavor and chewing on it. A few
hours later, she violently throws it up. Animals are stupid. Human nature is NOT the nature we percieve in the outside world,and so the typical pagan
creed of nature worship is idiotic nonsense)."
Well, music has never made me want to throw up before, with the exception of possibly the junk playing on VH1. I will agree to an extent that music
can influence emotion, but regulate to me seems the wrong concept. Are you suggesting that music can overide a persons intellect to the degree that
they would commit an action that is either out of character, or involuntary?
Again, I wish to write about darker subjects, because it is fascinating to me.
"I understand that it fascinates you. The problem is it leaves those who listen to it, with certain types of feelings. Right now in times of ease and
excess, it sits latent in the back of their minds, and what manifests is the flip side of such music. Positive feelings of 'rock and roll', of
heavy, spontaneous individualism. but when things go awr, and they will, these sorts of people are gonna have subconscious' filled with heavy and
chaotic sounds, and it;'ll burst into consciousness and result in a real chaotic train of behavior. Insanity? Criminality?"
This seems like a cop out. "The music made me do it". I'm sorry, I cannot see this happening unless a person already has a predisposition for
instanity and/or criminality.
To you, my music may impart negative feelings, but to me, it imparts positive feelings to me. A type of music you may like may make me want to crawl
up the wall, and therefore be a negative experience to me. It's a damn good thing that there is variety in life.
"This is just a case of like attracting like. The wheel goes full circle and this is what happens. This is why these monsters in power have 1/3rd of
the public and psychotropic drugs and full of TV shows, Saw movies, death metal, rap, clubbing etc. Each has their own poison, but i would probably
say the most nefarious is death metal."
Personally, I do not watch Saw movies because they are overdone and quite frankly disgusting to me. I don't want to see overt violence and blood and
guts. Have I before? Yes. I choose not to. Have I listened to Cannibal Corpse? Yes. They are awesome musicians, but I would not wear their T shirt,
because I do not identify with their message personally.
The other items that you relate to each other seem to be handpicked items from your basket of dislikes. Fair enough. I don't like rap either. Is it
because it's part of a "nefarious" plan to subvert the public in conjunction with tv and drugs?
Worst case scenario you are putting the puzzle pieces together to fit your agenda, the way that you see fit.
"The most idiotic combination ever, in anything, is christianity with this music. Im not a christian, so i really dont care to defend it, but its
basic patriarchial system of respect for parents, and elders, patience, charity, is manifold times undermined by this sort of music. I know there will
be nayserys who think these sort of influences arent immutable. That may be so, but it does have a pretty strong subconscious influence."
I disagree. It is only a form of music, among many others, and, again, it is my belief that it is the intent that matters, not the medium. You know
what also undermines respect for parents etc? Teenage rebellion! Unfortunately, this cannot be avoided, as it is a normal part of the process
towards reaching adult hood. Blaming music, or a certain genre for these ills is a faulire in logic.
Do you remember when Elvis was too hot for tv? Or when the Beatles were accused of subverting the nations youth? I wonder what you think of these
Strong morals come from parents. Not from religion, the state, or God. We have to accept that there will be some kids who fail, make bad decisions,
or otherwise blow it. Part of life.
"Does music form culture, or does culture form music? Because most kids in highschool who 'gravitate' to a certain music, than engage a particular
culture. Whatever the culture it ultimately is, they all fall under "moral relativism". Exactly the way the elites want things."
I would say a bit of both. Those who gravitate to any image, that cannot think for themselves, deserve my pity for their weak minds, but I would not
take responsbility personally unless I was that kids parent. A culture does not fall under moral relativism, weak minded people do until they are
instructed otherwise. Either by lifes hard lessons, or somebody who cares. And even then, some refuse to listen to the voice inside themselves.
I'm curious. What belief system do you subscribe to? The idea / concept of moral relativism is a concept that is usually villified by the devout,
despite the obvious differences in culture throughout the world over.
If you feel if it an infringement for me to inquire, then please accept my apologies in advance.