Humans are naturally plant-eaters

Originally posted by tom502
I believe the pure carnivore diet is the optimal diet for humans. The world problems are not because people eat meat, it's because of industrialization, overpopulation, and overt capitalism. Meat contains 100% what humans need to live and be of optimal health.

And it is your personal choice and individual right to have this opinion and act accordingly. Unfortunately the rest of us might loose the planet for our grandchildren because of this misconception and you surely will loose 10 years off your life. But you know...we can suck it up, there are arguably other important things we can agree on so.... Bon appetit!

I totally, 100% AGREE industrialization, overpopulation and overt capitalism are responsible for many of the worlds problems.

There is no big fix.
We have to chip, chip, chip away at the worlds problems.

I would like you to send me all the steak the world has set aside for you.Who told you chimps don't eat meat.I just watched a show on chimps and it showed a troop of chimps in an organized hunt of a group of monkeys.It also showed them butchering and eating the captured and killed monkeys. It also showed the more dominante males getting favors from females for the offer of meat.Gorillias are an evolutionary dead end.Hippos are omnivores.Are you with PETA they don't know anything about animals either.I'm with peta....people for eating tasty animals.

I found it absolutely fascinating how much the meat industry has infiltrated our culture from The Bible texts to ancient societies. I have heard so much propaganda and hearsay about Vegetarian diet being unhealthy or making people overweight and I just haven't seen it. Bad diet is bad diet regardless of what you consume. I agree with the comments about it being there as a survival thing but face it you eat meat cause it tastes good and you are addicted to the taste.

As a reformed meat eater I actually went through withdrawals when I stopped eating it. I can now smell it on the sweat of high meat consumers and the rotten smell of dead meat when I pass through food courts and supermarket. Meat contains hormones which can be addictive. I remember after eating a steak how my mood would change. I just had my yearly checkup cholesterol good - heart rate good etc. I think the problem comes when someone has grown up one way changes and has never been taught to eat a balanced vego diet.

If you are going to make the change educate yourself about what you put in your body. If you are going to unplug from the propaganda machine that would have you put your love of the taste of dead flesh before the lives of other creatures.

Then do the right thing and really think about what you put into yourself. Killing for Survival is one thing but when you have a choice and you choose to kill for the sake of a flavor on your tongue well that's another thing all together. But hey its your body, your mind your conscience you should do what is evolutionary for you. I unplugged years ago and haven't regretted it since.

I'm sorry, but my ancesters didn't claw thier way to the top of the food chain just so I could be a vegitarian. We are omnivores plain and simple. For example, our canine teeth are designed to rip and tear flesh, same as any carnivore, our molars are designed to grind, same as any herbavore, our incisors are designed to cut, which is common with herbavores as well as carnivores. Hence we are omnivores. Being a vegitarian is a lifestyle choice, not an evolutionary trait. Without meat our Ice Age brethren would have died out very quickly. It has been historically a main staple in human diets for as long as we can percieve, all the way back to the cave man paintings.

I'm not an Oprah fan, but todays episode is all about Veganism, which seems to be on topic here, and I'll watch it. I am currently on my all beef diet, on day 2. I feel fine.

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Tom502 unless you have some underlying health issues, I wouldnt expect for you to suffer any big reaction to your new diet. I have been eating dead animal since I had control over my diet, and I have never had any ill effects. Hell I went down to 8stone when I was living on the streets, largely attributable to the fact that I couldnt afford any decent nosh. Anyone thinks its healthy for a fully grown man to weigh in at 8stone needs to be fed to a top predator animal , like a panther or lion. Its not healthy, it makes life miserable , and apart from anything makes you look like you just escaped from a concentration camp. You dont have any strength, you cant move at any speed, you get lethargic. Thats no way to live, and I personaly refuse to change my diet if it means becoming a shrunken husk, which for me with my biochemistry , is exaclty what it means.

My health issues are diabetes, obesity, and hypertension, and high cholesterol. My weight was 239.5, and my BP was 164/107 for my "before" readings, when I decided to start my all beef plan. I'll check these again weekly. My goal is to improve all my health levels, as well as get into bodybuilding.

Originally posted by tom502
My health issues are diabetes, obesity, and hypertension, and high cholesterol.

Originally posted by tom502
I am currently on my all beef diet, on day 2.

Welcome to America.

Instead of a reactive solution to your problem you choose to agitate it and flirt with death. Nice.

It just occurred to my this is most likely a joke. Diabetes, Obesity, hypertension, and high cholesterol are all results of eating too much meat. In this world I wouldn't be surprised to see that though. I admit - you got me...

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Keep an eye on your blood sugar.The body building exercise will help a great deal.Exercise is the most important part.

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by Ciphor
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I have posted previously many alternative and even opposite viewpoints also from experts.

Liar. I looked and no you did not. Why resort to lying? I looked at all the links, every, last, one. And NONE where from creditable authors, Dr's, ANYONE with a degree.

Maybe I missed it.

so Again

and probably 10 more times after this

CAN YOU PLEASE LINK THIS?

(of course we know you cannot and will not, but to the rest of us watching you lie and make up excuses is mildly entertaining)

Let's see if you can find these...www.whale.to...

If the link doesn't work promise not to freak out.

Here is a quote..

"To say that humans have the anatomical structure of an omnivore is an egregiously inaccurate statement. The great taxonomist Carolus Linnaeus, (1707-1778), a Swedish naturalist and botanist who established the modern scientific method of classifying plants and animals, classified humans not as carnivores, not as omnivores, nor even as herbivores, but as frugivores. Linnaeus writes: “Man’s structure, internal and external compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables are his natural food.”

You are appearing, in my opinion...not only irrational but delusional as well.
["liar" "windbag" "shut-up"???]
I feel very sorry for you really. Such an ill mannered, ugly temperment, Do you credit your diet?
You should walk around with a blood pressure cuff on just to make sure you do not over heat!

I am not the one who said I will no longer continue the debate and yet here you are wasting your breath again. Not exactly truthful. How can we take your word on anything?

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According to classification, a frugivore is an omnivore. Glad you agree people are omnivorous!

en.wikipedia.org...

Anyway back to topic. Are humans naturally plant-eaters.

Wikipedia and it's source material also says no, we are not herbivores. read more by clicking link below, here is a nice quote using bears as an example of adapted omnivores ranging from one extreme to the other...

Pigs furnish a well-known example of an omnivore.[2] Crows are another example of an omnivore that many people see every day.[3] Humans are regarded as omnivores. [4][5] Most bear species are considered omnivores, but individual diets can range from almost exclusively herbivorous to almost exclusively carnivorous, depending on what food sources are available locally and seasonally. Polar bears are classified as carnivores while pandas are classified as herbivores, although giant pandas will eat some meat (e.g., insects) from time to time, and polar bears will sometimes eat plants (such as kelp) but of neither is the exception a significant part of their diet.

Omnivores (from Latin: omni all, everything; vorare to devour) are species that eat both plants and animals as their primary food source. They are opportunistic, general feeders not specifically adapted to eat and digest either meat or plant material primarily.

Although the term omnivore literally means eater of everything, omnivores cannot really eat "everything" that other animals eat; they can only eat things that are at least moderately easy to get and still at least moderately nutritious. For example, most of them cannot live by grazing (easy to get, but not nutritious enough), nor can they eat some hard-shelled animals or successfully hunt large or fast prey (nutritious, but too hard to get).

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by rusethorcain

You ok babe? The quote was from your link. Don't you read this stuff before you thow it out there?

Yes and the quote was taken out of context. Hence the whole reason for the post. Do you read before you reply? Rhetorical question obviously, you did not!

Might as well just start farming and eating humans.

The whole diet thing, I find to be conflicting, even on a personal level.
I have a strong eastern philosophy leaning, so the karma of killing does have a concern to me.
There are completely opposing theories on which diet is best, each make some valid points.
I still believe carnivore diet is the "true" diet of humans. But I think our modern society does make meat not so nice, because of our overpopulation, and the mass commercialism, and industrialization of it all. Factory slaughterhouses are not nice and pretty. But original man, and even pre-industrial man, would slaughter and eat their own meat, and did not have the billions of factory slaughtered animals for the millions of McDonalds and grocery stores etc, so it's not meat that's "bad", it's our modern society.
I think I may end my "pure beef" diet, not because I think it's bad, I am a victim of society and am finding it too limiting, and I am an addict of our processed and refined foods, and while my personal health interests are my main concern, I had severe mental toment last night and raided the kitchen looking for "crack". I swear, it's like I should be on Intervention. Anyway, I still want to improve my health and lose weight, so I am going to work on portion control, and time my mealtimes, and eat what I want. I find it very hard to do a limited diet if not in a controlled environment, and while I do like beef, it's a mental stress when the wife buys pizza and ravioli, and I'm looking at a plate of a plain hambuger patty.

Originally posted by Vandalour

Originally posted by [davinci]
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My biology degree is more than sufficient, thanks.

Even if it wasn't, most of the women in my family are nurses (the older ones) or nutrionalists (the younger ones).

Then I advise you to eat your biology diploma
hubpages.com...

Referring to an uncredited blog is little better than saying, "My friend told me that..."

That article you posted originally is filled with things that are just plain lies and it's more of a propaganda document for vegans. Humans are omnivores as were our ancestral relatives, the neanderthals. Omnivores are usually the most developed of the species in an area due to their ability to survive independent of food type.

Most vegans I know are actually in good physical health, but don't quote an article unless you're sure it's factual.

Originally posted by nightrun
People are addicted to meat, they don't know any better. Only when they actually try new diets that they open up to these concepts. Vegetarianism is abit of a joke because it still partakes in eating fish flesh and eggs.

I'd like to argue the point here Fish eating Vegos are called Piscapalians (I think that's how its spelt)
As a vegetarian for spiritual/conscious reasons I do not think it a joke to eat Free range eggs or cheese, milk.
The relationships we have with these animals are symbiotic. An egg is unfertilized = A life is not taken. Milk and Vegetable renet based cheeses ensure that cattle have maintained and constant food supply health assistance etc. No death for flavor required. So please let me know how this is a joke to you? I am quite healthy.

I maintain a symbiotic relationship with the animals I get food from without taking their lives. I am a conscious shopper (Yes I have unplugged from the Droid faction of consumers) and look at what I purchase and put into my body. I am consciously aware and have a choice of diet so I can intelligently choose and see how my choices will cause suffering or help the world I share with other life.

An animal does not have that choice. If you ask me the Droid faction as I refer to them as are perhaps still in that conscious evolutionary state which is why I can no more judge a Homosapien who has not evolved this ability than I can a Baboon for following their nature.

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I agree that we can use animals AND have respect for them and treat them well.

Part of the reason eating meat and animal products is so extremely unhealthy is because of the way we treat them.

"Referring to an uncredited blog is little better than saying, "My friend told me that..."

That article you posted originally is filled with things that are just plain lies and it's more of a propaganda document for vegans. Humans are omnivores as were our ancestral relatives, the neanderthals. Omnivores are usually the most developed of the species in an area due to their ability to survive independent of food type.

Most vegans I know are actually in good physical health, but don't quote an article unless you're sure it's factual."
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Last I checked Neanderthals were Not our ancestors (although we do have a common ancestor)
I do agree that said common ancestor was in fact an Omnivore

www.pbs.org...

Originally posted by rcanem
I'm sorry, but my ancesters didn't claw thier way to the top of the food chain just so I could be a vegitarian. We are omnivores plain and simple. For example, our canine teeth are designed to rip and tear flesh, same as any carnivore, our molars are designed to grind, same as any herbavore, our incisors are designed to cut, which is common with herbavores as well as carnivores. Hence we are omnivores. Being a vegitarian is a lifestyle choice, not an evolutionary trait. Without meat our Ice Age brethren would have died out very quickly. It has been historically a main staple in human diets for as long as we can percieve, all the way back to the cave man paintings.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

If a person is born, lives and dies eating nothing but vegetables that person is a vegetarian.

Same with anyone who eats meat alone - he will be a "carnivore" as far as his eating habits go.

Those who eat both will be omnivores...but that is not where we came from.

Now, are you talking man as a species homonid, and what a hominid eats?
It would appear there are a few different type hominids and it may depend on their origin and even earlier ancestors, we know chimps are meat eaters, even cannibalistic but the Museum of Natural History in NYC claims modern man stems from a hominid that was a fruit and nut eater. Frugivore.
Our carnivore imitation is the result of something called "opportunistic feeding" and it is true this was during many periods VITAL to our survival but that doesn't change evolutionary markers and genetic indicators.

There are a few different ways to view the extrapolated arguments which inevitably result from some men living happiliy as vegetarians and not carnivores or omnivores. An argument ensues because what is food to one is a pet to another.

And then there is the Bill Clinton argument. He recently RESTORED his health by eating a totally plant based diet excluding even fish and chicken. Hearing him speak about it and acknowledging the dramatic change in both his appearance and health is pretty convincing.

Eating plants alone saved his life. No one can ever say that about meat...will except that kid at sea who snagged a seagull...lol You know what I mean.

To the colonist the American Indians were SAVAGES.
People who kill to eat might be viewed the same way today.

Savages... rational savages.

For me, plants are just as alive as an animal, and I find it stupid and hypocritical just to pick on one, a mixture, in moderation, and being thankful for the food you're eating imo is the best way.

Just because something doesn't make a noise or have eyes, aka a plant, you think it's okay to kill, cook and eat.