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Originally posted by The_Zomar
Your source is a blog, and in it, it states that they are free from chronic disease which is not the case in reality.
Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.
1. Iburg KM, Bronnum-Hansen H, Bjerregaard P. Health expectancy in Greenland. Scand J Public Health 2001;29(1):5-12. Choinere R. Mortality among the Baffin Inuit in the mid-80s. Arctive Med Res 1992;51 (2):87-93.
Originally posted by PoorFool
Originally posted by The_Zomar
Your source is a blog, and in it, it states that they are free from chronic disease which is not the case in reality.
Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.
1. Iburg KM, Bronnum-Hansen H, Bjerregaard P. Health expectancy in Greenland. Scand J Public Health 2001;29(1):5-12. Choinere R. Mortality among the Baffin Inuit in the mid-80s. Arctive Med Res 1992;51 (2):87-93.
Nowhere does your quote say that the Inuit suffer from chronic disease. I would like you to show me, otherwise stop making such misleading claims.
From the same site you probably got that information from, but decided to omit:
"The research did not show that the Inuits live a long time or are healthy. The statements in the article made conclusions not supported by the research. The research merely was tracking the declining health of the Inuits since the spread of processed junk food among younger people. We can’t look to this group as an example of long-lived healthy people."
Now for all my fellow nerds out there, Dr. Fuhrman also recommended checking out John Robbins’s book Healthy at 100. In it he lists the world’s healthiest people, and surprise-surprise the Inuit didn’t make the cut.
Originally posted by The_Zomar
reply to post by PoorFool
From the same source you thought I was "hiding stuff from"
Now for all my fellow nerds out there, Dr. Fuhrman also recommended checking out John Robbins’s book Healthy at 100. In it he lists the world’s healthiest people, and surprise-surprise the Inuit didn’t make the cut.
The Inuit people aren't healthy now, nor were they before processed junk food reached them. They were NEVER the most healthy people.
First it was the B12 argument which you clearly lost.
Now its the Inuit argument you clearly lost.
I have to ask, is your family in the meat business? Farm maybe?edit on 28-1-2011 by The_Zomar because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by The_Zomar
Research:
What do the Inuits diet consist of?
Are the Inuit people healthy?
Have they ever been very healthy?edit on 28-1-2011 by The_Zomar because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PoorFool
an omnivorous diet is the healthiest.
Originally posted by PoorFool
watching animals getting slaughtered from time to time.
Originally posted by The_Zomar
Originally posted by PoorFool
an omnivorous diet is the healthiest.
Science disagrees. I am a firm supporter of science.
Originally posted by PoorFool
watching animals getting slaughtered from time to time.
Does this make you proud? Mentally deranged serial killers enjoy torture and death of animals. It releases a chemical in a primitive mans brain.
Originally posted by The_Zomar
reply to post by PoorFool
Why are you trying to answer ?
I said let the reader to their own research. Science is on my side.
Originally posted by The_Zomar
reply to post by PoorFool
You are desperate.
Back to the discussion at hand:
Lets compare humans to carnivores and herbivores.
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Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.
[Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and currently Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist.]
Originally posted by PoorFool
reply to post by The_Zomar
But I never claimed we were carnivores...
Here's a little article complete with scientific evidence debunking the myth that humans are herbivores and addressing the tables above:
www.marksdailyapple.com...
www.marksdailyapple.com...
I've read your stuff, now I hope you won't ignore mine.
Humans evolved from vegetarian creatures. Even our digestive systems are not particularly suited to eating meat. Eating meat is a relatively recent development in human history, most likely born of opportunity and necessity. Perhaps earliest man observed carnivores eating meat, and if they couldn’t find any of the natural foods they were used to eating, such as vegetables, berries, nuts and grains, then they might have assumed that eating meat would at least sustain life. Source
Originally posted by Ciphor
reply to post by PoorFool
Dude he doesn't even read his own links, he wont read yours.
Here is one of his links to a source for how being a vegetarian is more healthy then having a balanced diet
lunabar.com...
I'm not kidding, that is one of the links.
Trust me we are wasting our breath.
Originally posted by Ciphor
I just finished reading and I can't stop laughing
www.vrg.org...
www.vrg.org...
www.vrg.org...
This pretty much has all the evidence to completely shut gomar up.
Gomar can you please respond to this vegetarian, who was published in "Vegetarian Journal" (you read that?) who says the only reasons for a vegetarian/vegan diet are ethical, religious, or geographical? He is a vegetarian, a Dr with a PHD, he is an anatomist and a primatologist. And is published all over, NyTimes etc.
He also has colleagues who are also experts in 100% agreeance with him
Let me guess, isn't real because it doesn't agree with you? You have a link from soy milk with no author saying it's not true? I can't wait for your reply or to see how you avoid it all together.
Originally posted by The_Zomar
Monkeys sometimes hunt other monkeys because they have developed the intelligence to sway from instinct. It's not a matter of that they need the meat but they have intelligently chose to make their own decision regardless of the health effects.
We can look to modern humans going to mcdonalds. Millions do it, it is their own choice but it doesn't mean it is the correct thing. If we were supposed to naturally hunt and eat meat our instincts would make the entire animals bodies appetizing to us.
He then incorrectly goes on to state that our hands developed around the use of tools. That is wrong, our hands developed to help us harvest fruit and vegetables in the wild.
When the intestinal issue arises, instead of measuring the real size of our intestines he uses his own scale in which he calls "Ass to Mouth". Why exclude the rest of the organ? That's going out on a limb to satisfy an otherwise legitimate issue.
His point about fossil evidence showing that we ate meat is very biased because he forgets that earlier humans did not hunt.
Humans evolved from vegetarian creatures. Even our digestive systems are not particularly suited to eating meat. Eating meat is a relatively recent development in human history, most likely born of opportunity and necessity. Perhaps earliest man observed carnivores eating meat, and if they couldn’t find any of the natural foods they were used to eating, such as vegetables, berries, nuts and grains, then they might have assumed that eating meat would at least sustain life. Source
This supports what I said earlier that humans ate meat out of choice and not instinct.
He goes on to say that tools are humans' fangs and claws and that it is part of out history. That is illogical, as every other animal is born capable of feeding itself naturally with the body it was born with.
Even if you don't believe all the evidence I have provided;
Nature is the strongest evidence and vegetarians are proved to live longer.