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Humans are naturally plant-eaters

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posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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This was cool...I have to return with the link. I wasn't able to quote the whole statement but this poster on Yahoo had some excellent points...answers.yahoo.com...



If Humans were really meant to be meat-eaters, then why don't you ever see very young children trying to eat small animals out of instinct? Also, when was the last time you ever salivated to a nice, juicy animal carcass that has been waiting out there for a few days to be eaten by the Maggots and Vultures? No Human could even catch a fleeing pronghorn on foot.


Here is another evidentiary example although if persons are intent on believing otherwise..who knows what personal reasons they have for lying to themselves (and others)...no amount of evidence will do. michaelbluejay.com...


A fair look at the evidence shows that humans are optimized for eating plant foods, according to the best evidence: our bodies. We're most similar to other herbivores, and drastically different from carnivores and true omnivores. The science shows that the more meat we eat, the sicker we get -- heart disease, cancer, diabetes, osteoporosis, and every other major degenerative disease. If eating meat were so natural, it wouldn't destroy our health.


Judging by some of the responses people seem to think you are trying to wrestle the dead carcass out of their hands. My feeling is who cares what you eat? You have a right to do what you want to your body. Just don't kid yourself or anyone else...and just don't lie about why.


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posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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If humans were meant to have been vegetarian, we would not have survived the ice age. Also we wouldn't have canine and incisors teeth. We have those for tearing at meat just like our molars are for grinding plants, roots and seeds etc. Humans are omnivores. Anyone who tells you any different has some type of food agenda. End of story!

IRM

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posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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Unless they are doctors of anthropology and just don't want you to appear too stupid. That could be another reason people say humans are most closely defined as not as carnivores or omnivores but we most closely resemble other vegetarians.
Anyone who tells you differently may not necessarily have a personal agenda...they could be just misinformed.



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Wrong. Those itty bitty baby teeth are not incisors. Ask a dentist.



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by InfaRedMan
 


Unless they are doctors of anthropology and just don't want you to appear too stupid. That could be another reason people say humans are most closely defined as not as carnivores or omnivores but we most closely resemble other vegetarians.
Anyone who tells you differently may not necessarily have a personal agenda...they could be just misinformed.



Some questions.

If we are not omnivores why can our bodies process and extract proteints, nutrients from meat?

Why can't we digest cellulose like those "vegetarians" we resemble and why we loose a lot of our adaptations that were useful for us in the collection of fruits? (remember, in the green side is more easy for us to eat fruits than to eat grass, most primates are mainly fruitvores)

How did our ancestors evolved millions of years ago without supermarkets to get supplements, fortified foods, or without global trade so they would be able to obtain all those "exotic" plants vegetarians/vegans need and that doesn't grow in all places or all seasons?

How is possible that after 2.5 millions year eating meat, we are not adapted to that?

And why insist on make comparations with "true carnivores" when is totally obvious we are not "true carnivores" and nobody here is saying we are "true carnivores"?

Btw, this may be interesting to you

www.beyondveg.com...



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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things that our bodies need to survive taste the best. evolution doesnt want to spit something out that cant figure out what to eat.

what tastes amazing?

meat.

think about it a sec.



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by Vandalour
 

If Humans were really meant to be meat-eaters, then why don't you ever see very young children trying to eat small animals out of instinct? Also, when was the last time you ever salivated to a nice, juicy animal carcass that has been waiting out there for a few days to be eaten by the Maggots and Vultures? No Human could even catch a fleeing pronghorn on foot.



That cracks me up because I have had plenty of cases of small children trying to stuff small fury things in their mouths, yet give them a broccoli florret or cauliflower and the lips are fatened tighter than a fishes backside.
try and wrestle a peice of meat or bone from a roast dinner out of a baby's hand and replace it with a nutritious brussel sprout.
Yeah good luck with that

Why is it we have to hide vegtables in all forms to feed them to our children yet they will readily take a peice of meat.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by MonteroReal

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by InfaRedMan
 


Unless they are doctors of anthropology and just don't want you to appear too stupid. That could be another reason people say humans are most closely defined as not as carnivores or omnivores but we most closely resemble other vegetarians.
Anyone who tells you differently may not necessarily have a personal agenda...they could be just misinformed.



Some questions.

If we are not omnivores why can our bodies process and extract proteints, nutrients from meat?

Why can't we digest cellulose like those "vegetarians" we resemble and why we loose a lot of our adaptations that were useful for us in the collection of fruits? (remember, in the green side is more easy for us to eat fruits than to eat grass, most primates are mainly fruitvores)

How did our ancestors evolved millions of years ago without supermarkets to get supplements, fortified foods, or without global trade so they would be able to obtain all those "exotic" plants vegetarians/vegans need and that doesn't grow in all places or all seasons?

How is possible that after 2.5 millions year eating meat, we are not adapted to that?

And why insist on make comparations with "true carnivores" when is totally obvious we are not "true carnivores" and nobody here is saying we are "true carnivores"?

Btw, this may be interesting to you

www.beyondveg.com...


We don't do it very efficiently.
Cellulose has a purpose as it is, undigested.
We ate what was there and it sustained us.
I don't know.
I am comparing no one to no one else.
Scientists, anthropologists and dentists use identifiying physical and dental traits and compare them in order to determine each species closest relative, habitat, diet, etc. I just read and repeat what they say.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by epitaph.one
things that our bodies need to survive taste the best. evolution doesnt want to spit something out that cant figure out what to eat.

what tastes amazing?

meat.

think about it a sec.


Obviously you have never given your body a chance to clean out and decide that for itself.
If you stay away from meat for a while...it smells and tastes like what it is.
Decaying and rotting flesh.

Trust me...that's something your body doesn't need.
You have enough of that hanging off your bones as it is.
Time marches on.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by munkey66

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by Vandalour
 

If Humans were really meant to be meat-eaters, then why don't you ever see very young children trying to eat small animals out of instinct? Also, when was the last time you ever salivated to a nice, juicy animal carcass that has been waiting out there for a few days to be eaten by the Maggots and Vultures? No Human could even catch a fleeing pronghorn on foot.

That cracks me up because I have had plenty of cases of small children trying to stuff small fury things in their mouths, yet give them a broccoli florret or cauliflower and the lips are fatened tighter than a fishes backside.
try and wrestle a peice of meat or bone from a roast dinner out of a baby's hand and replace it with a nutritious brussel sprout.
Yeah good luck with that

Why is it we have to hide vegtables in all forms to feed them to our children yet they will readily take a peice of meat.
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Kids mimic adults so much of what they eat is learned behavior. My mother baby sat and the kids learned to eat and love vegetables. Spoiled children eat nothing because spoiled children are seldom ever hungry. A hungry child will eat what is in front of them.
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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
Unless they are doctors of anthropology and just don't want you to appear too stupid. That could be another reason people say humans are most closely defined as not as carnivores or omnivores but we most closely resemble other vegetarians.
Anyone who tells you differently may not necessarily have a personal agenda...they could be just misinformed.



I challenge you to provide a link to a peer-reviewed paper by a Doctor in Anthropology saying Humans are vegetarian by nature. Homo Sapiens earliest ancestors ate meat, before our species even evolved! Our closest evolutionary cousins eat meat.

We are omniverous and, despite 26 pages of many, many people trying to show this to a few morons, they still pop up to say otherwise.

I do find it suspicious that LUXUS and the other chap have stopped posting and now you're hear to fly the flag.......



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by MonteroReal

How did our ancestors evolved millions of years ago without supermarkets to get supplements, fortified foods, or without global trade so they would be able to obtain all those "exotic" plants vegetarians/vegans need and that doesn't grow in all places or all seasons?


Exactly!

IRM



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain

Kids mimic adults so much of what they eat is learned behavior. My mother baby sat and the kids learned to eat and love vegetables. Spoiled children eat nothing because spoiled children are seldom ever hungry. A hungry child will eat what is in front of them.
edit on 25-1-2011 by rusethorcain because: (no reason given)

So my sons have learned to hate vegtables because of my wife and myself who love our vegtables which we cook up in stir fries and steamed.
we eat healthy home grown vegtables and also eat healthy red meat as well as fish and poultry, they dont drink soda or eat sweets unless you call fruit a sweet.
children form their own tastes and has nothing to do with learned behaviour,
our tastes change as we age, children spit out vegtables because it is a natural instinct in babies to spit out bitter tastes as they where usually poisonous, they learn to eat vegtables through aping behaviour as you pointed out from their parents.
natural instinct of early man was feast to survive the famine. don't see many artifacts of vegtable preparing tools used by our ancestors, most of the tools found where for killing and cutting up animals.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by MonteroReal

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by InfaRedMan
 


Unless they are doctors of anthropology and just don't want you to appear too stupid. That could be another reason people say humans are most closely defined as not as carnivores or omnivores but we most closely resemble other vegetarians.
Anyone who tells you differently may not necessarily have a personal agenda...they could be just misinformed.



Some questions.

If we are not omnivores why can our bodies process and extract proteints, nutrients from meat?

Why can't we digest cellulose like those "vegetarians" we resemble and why we loose a lot of our adaptations that were useful for us in the collection of fruits? (remember, in the green side is more easy for us to eat fruits than to eat grass, most primates are mainly fruitvores)

How did our ancestors evolved millions of years ago without supermarkets to get supplements, fortified foods, or without global trade so they would be able to obtain all those "exotic" plants vegetarians/vegans need and that doesn't grow in all places or all seasons?

How is possible that after 2.5 millions year eating meat, we are not adapted to that?

And why insist on make comparations with "true carnivores" when is totally obvious we are not "true carnivores" and nobody here is saying we are "true carnivores"?

Btw, this may be interesting to you

www.beyondveg.com...


We don't do it very efficiently.
Cellulose has a purpose as it is, undigested.
We ate what was there and it sustained us.
I don't know.
I am comparing no one to no one else.
Scientists, anthropologists and dentists use identifiying physical and dental traits and compare them in order to determine each species closest relative, habitat, diet, etc. I just read and repeat what they say.


And in what do you base your afirmation that we don't digest meat efficiently? because after 2.5 millions year eating meat, is a little hard to believe our body is not efficient digesting it. Tell me, how is our digestion of meat inefficient?

You didn't answer the question about the celullose, why can't we digest the cellulose like those vegetarians we resemble? come on, you and others insist we must be like them because we have some similarities, well, we have difference too, are not differences important? or we must ignore them for the sake of the vegetarian argument?

Yes, we ate what was there and sustained us, and guess what, we ate meat, a lot of meat, of every kind of animal and it sustained us so good that after 2.5 millions year we are still here and we still eat meat, so, this is important, if we are naturally plant eaters, how is that meat can sustain us? and btw, if we don't digest meat efficiently like you say, again, how is that eat can sustain us?

Ok, you don't know, the answer is obvious, we are.

You say you don't make comparisons, i quote this from one of your post "That could be another reason people say humans are most closely defined as not as carnivores or omnivores but we most closely resemble other vegetarians.", so, you are saying we resemble more "vegetarians" and that is not a comparison?

If you really repeat what scientist saying you would be saying Humans are omnivorous like a lot of other primates, they can eat meat, is natural to them, just like is natural to eat fruits, insects, fish, molluscs, etc, that's not the case, and btw, just read and repeat is not very smart.
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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 01:15 AM
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Part of the problem about the OP's assumption is that many types of animals seldom cleave to an inflexible and very rigid diet. Having the luxury of picking and choosing what one will eat from the shelves of a grocery store totally distorts the perspective of what it must have been like to be a pre-agricultural human or even any of the extinct species of hominids that preceded us. I'm sure that any primitive hunter-gatherer would have had no qualms about snatching up anything, whether animal or vegetable, that he or she could get (meaning those that weren't poisonous or otherwise too dangerous, of course).

People tend to think in terms of groups of early humans bringing down huge game animals like prides of lions do, and that would constitute eating meat and being omnivorous. But as some others have said, eating animal protein would have included things like insects, snakes, lizards, small mammals, fish and even hanging around and waiting for a more experienced predator like a cheetah to make a kill and then bullying said predator off its kill by throwing rocks and sticks. I'm sure most everyone here probably has memories of catching bugs and other small creatures as a child when playing outdoors. When I was a child my mom used to visit her friend in Florida and I would catch the small lizards that hid in the bushes outside the house - actually I got really good at it. But for an early human child not only would these small creatures be caught, they would likely have made a nice mid-day snack. Imagine waking up each day and not knowing if you will be able to find anything to eat that day - if you can find plants that are good to eat and you can get enough to fill you up for the time being, great. But you also wouldn't pass up animal protein if it presented itself and wasn't too difficult to catch or steal from whatever animal killed it in the first place.

Animals are, and surely early humans were also, opportunistic eaters that don't pass up food sources unless they are specialists. An animal that has evolved to such an extreme degree so that it can only find and eat limited foodstuffs is deemed a specialist. This can mean that an animal totally excels at what it does to procure food, as in the example of the cheetah, or that it can only handle and process limited types of foods; the anteater is an extreme example of this - ants and termites are about all it is able to eat due to its mouth. Being a specialist is an evolutionary risk - a big one at that. If you can only deal with limited foods (limited in how you get them or how you are able to process them and what you can process with your mouth and digestive system) you box yourself into a corner and run the risk of extinction, much more so than the animal than can eat damned near anything. An example of this is the panda bear. Its ancestors were carnivores, but it has become highly specialized into eating vegetation - and only one type at that, bamboo. This is a huge reason as to why it is so very rare - human destruction of its food pantry. Unlike a brown or black bear, the panda has boxed itself in to eating one particular type of food and now it's trapped. Limited food resources vanish (for whatever reason), and so goes the animals that depend on these resources. It's not unlike job skills - if you have only one job skill, no matter how good you are at it, your ability to score a job will often be much worse than someone who is a "jack of all trades" in a bad job market.

Considering that we humans have basically taken over the world (for better or worse, as it has often been for the worse), I'd say that we fall squarely into the realm of the consummate generalist. The animal that can maximize and exploit its resources most successfully is often the most successful.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by Vandalour
lol, im done with this thread..
why not be a vegan to stop the slaugtering and havest of animals, I care for living things sorry.
We dont need MEAT why cant people get that into their MEATY heads.. im not a vegan myself, but I was just typing about it, in hope meeting others with the same Idea of PERHAPS trying to be vegan to help the suffering animals in slaughter houses.. and NO eating meat dont make you more man


So we come to the true reason why you posted this thread. You are against modern slaughtering methods and are hurt by the "suffering" of slaughtered animals. Why not just create a thread that brings those issues up? You resorted to subterfuge to discuss your ethical beliefs and to me that is...unethical. Then, after your manufactured subject matter gets debunked by historical and scientific information, you quit. You have suffered a loss of credibility in my eyes and in the future I will be skeptical of any threads created by you.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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I find the discussion absurd.

If I was made to exist upon solely plants, my appendix would be fully functional.

These discussions are spawned, imho, within the realm of the human emotion "pity".

I am aware that horses existed in North America until they were extinguished. True, no one knows for certain the cause of their extinction; although, archeological evidence supports the mass death of herds off of cliffs by primitive man.

It is insane, imho, to believe that we have evolved from apes and are not omnivores. For those believing so, evidence still exists today!



I can appreciate the disdain of the corporate "assembly line" of slaughter houses. I'm not a big fan of factory meat myself; although, I understand that not everyone can spill the guts with the same ease I can.

therefore, the slaughterhouse is as much a natural element upon the Earth as the swirling fish torrent that dolphins create.

The moment that one holds both the belief that humanity has evolved, and simultaneously that someone humans have escaped being "wild" is the moment the crime of "double-think" has occurred. A man's house is as natural as a bird's nest, his hammer as an otter's rock, and his stock exchange a peacock's tail. Bah!



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 01:54 AM
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I only read the first page of quotes. This is already up to 27 pages. No an all vegetable diet is not natural for a human. We are omnivores and need both meat and veggies. Some one quoted how meat is so bad for us causing cancers and sickness. This is not caused by meat. It is caused by the way we handle the live animals before slaughter. A good cut of beef will have yellow to orange colored fat. That is because the cow eats live grasses and it has a lot of carotene in it. So what is done with these happy pasture raised cows. They are put in a food lot and feed dead plants. Flushing all the good vitamins and chemicals out of the animal, adding antibiotics and other chemicals. The last months of these animals is walking around in 3 feet of manure. Cows are not the only ones out there. Look at the chicken we buy in stores. They have been genetically bread so they grow so fast they cannot even walk. If you took one of these animals to a vet while it was still alive the vet would recommend that you have it put down to take it out of it's pain. Do you think that eating sickly animals is not going to make us sickly? Even are fish are farmed not only causing them to not be good for us anymore but causing many many bad affects on the natural/native fish in the rivers that these farms are on. You want to feel more healthy. Eat both meat and veggies but make sure the meat is free ranged for their whole life. No cattle feed lots, no chicken pens with a 5 chickens every square foot. Find a friend that likes to hunt and buy half of the stuff that he/she gets. You will be much healthier. As far as a veggie only diet just remember it has scientifically been proven that humans are omnivores. If you do not eat both animal products and plants you are not an omnivore and therefor you are not human. What are you then. Like every other herbivore you are a food animal.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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I'm not a vegetarian.
But I was on vegetarian diet for a couple of months because of some people who I worked with. I didn't felt the need to eat meat whatsoever, cause the food that I was eating was really good.
You can be a vegetarian and still be healthy, if you know how to cook.
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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by Gradius Maximus
Out of the hundreds of vegetarians I have met personally. Very few of them were healthy.

In fact, most of them were the fattest people I know.

Human beings are omnivores, the best diet for us is by observing what other omnivores such as bears are eating, which is everything in sight, that is our natural diet.

Moderation is the key to health.

Extremism will only lead to deficiency in the majority of people who try it.

Perhaps instead of denying the value of meat, we should be encouraging the practice of a balanced diet.
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The problem is that becoming a vegetarian isn't as healthy as most people think.
Alot of people's bodies can't handel the change from being an omnivor to being a veggie.
Our bodies are used to meat, so just stopping is not a good thing for your body and will do more harm then good.
You need to ween yourself of meat, not go coldturkey. That is why many people who turn veggie get sick and weak. They are wrecking their own body by going cold turky.




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