Removal of College Fraternity Secrets Threads

Originally posted by Nygdan
Not for nothing, but this seems to imply that the rituals aren't inane or fruity, which, I suspect, is untrue, especially considering the whole 'carrying poo in ziplock bags' bit.

Nygdan! Please!

Please take note of the difference between the base pratice of "hazing" and the nobel and wonderful world of fraternity ritual.

Carrying the *above in a ziplock bag is an example of vulgar hazing, NOT ritual.

-- Boat

Yes, its diffrent, but, honestly, how solem of a ritual can you expect from a guy who takes a dump in a bag? It sullies the ritual itself if you think about it.

The Founders said about the same thing. This is why there are extensive (almost ridiculous) efforts to stamp out hazing.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Yes, its diffrent, but, honestly, how solem of a ritual can you expect from a guy who takes a dump in a bag? It sullies the ritual itself if you think about it.

I don't know of anyone who would go to the bathroom in a bag. That type of thing is not part of most fraternities.

-- Boat

Holy crap, I can't believe this thread is still kicking!

Originally posted by Boatphone
I don't know of anyone who would go to the bathroom in a bag. That type of thing is not part of most fraternities.

? I doubt its in their operating manual, but most frats that I have know are the sorts that would do this. Poopping in ziplock bags, or running a 'beer olympics', etc.

Originally posted by Nygdan
? I doubt its in their operating manual, but most frats that I have know are the sorts that would do this. Poopping in ziplock bags, or running a 'beer olympics', etc.

Well, if its not in their operating manual its not part of the fraternity. And just because you feel that "Frats" you know seem like they would do this does not mean that it is a normal part of most fraternities.

-- Boat

Originally posted by Nygdan
Poopping in ziplock bags, or running a 'beer olympics', etc.

Yeah, sure. But in a ritual? Nope. That's just not part of collegiate fraternity protocol for a ritual.

I did a lot crazy sh!t while I was an undergrad in my fraternity, including riding a flaming mattress down the fire escape stairs, but ritual is serious business.

Maybe somebody knows how something that's never written down or recorded can be copyrighted. In the case of Kappa Kappa Gamma, a women's fraternal organization, the Book of Ritual doesn't have anything secret written down, except in an indecipherable code (and the code isn't in the book of ritual). The members are forbidden from writing any of the information down. For example, the Ideals of the organization are nowhere to be found in the whole book, yet they certainly exist and are passed down to every new initiate. If someone on the outside finds out such material from such a not-for-profit organization as KKG, how does copyright law apply to that? I know that many of their secrets were described on the Fraternitysecrets.com website before the message board was taken down.

Originally posted by Nygdan
? I doubt its in their operating manual, but most frats that I have know are the sorts that would do this. Poopping in ziplock bags, or running a 'beer olympics', etc.

"...most frats that I have know..." Which "frats" have you known? Do you know them via membership or hearsay or undercover surveillence?

Originally posted by Boatphone

Originally posted by Nygdan
? I doubt its in their operating manual, but most frats that I have know are the sorts that would do this. Poopping in ziplock bags, or running a 'beer olympics', etc.

Well, if its not in their operating manual its not part of the fraternity. And just because you feel that "Frats" you know seem like they would do this does not mean that it is a normal part of most fraternities.

I'd agree that what happened in that particular frat wasn't representative of all of them, in so far as taking dumps in ziplock bags and carrying it around. But all of the ones that I have known have have disgusting and silly hazing episodes for new members.

One of them, and this was a mild one, would have its pledges gather in the basement of their house, and run a "Beer Olympics". They'd, as one event, run laps in the basement, chugging a beer between each lap. Of course, before long, you'd have to puke, so there was a full sized garbage pail in the basement for just that purpose. Within a short time, it was half full of everyone's puke. But the olympics went on.

Most of their goofing around with pledges was like that, and of course every frat that had a house would use it to run parties, not complaing about that.

One of them had it set up like a nice system. They had a basement, unfinished though, windows blacked out, dirt floor, one seperate room with a curtain for all the stoners, kegs, bottles, and often a big pail full of 'jungle juice'. We later found out through one of the other guys that they'd often spike that jungle juice with something like rufies, and 'escort' the girls that had drank from it 'upstairs' to the rest of their house. But that was unusual, I'd figure that there's only one or two frats that have systematic drugging of women per campus.

23rd_Degree
But in a ritual? Nope

Didn't say it was in a ritual. I am sure that that frat's rituals were very emotive and respectful.

prunetacos
If someone on the outside finds out such material from such a not-for-profit organization as KKG, how does copyright law apply to that?

It almost certainly wouldn't. Infact, the material within a book isn't protected by copyright either, the specific exact text is what is copyrighted.

2nd hand thoughts
Which "frats" have you known? Do you know them via membership or hearsay or undercover surveillence?

Are you actually going to pretend for even a moment that my descriptions are inaccurate? The frat that poops into the bags, I found out from a friend of mine in it. The beer olypmics, I had a bunch of friends that were in that particular frat. Heck, that same one almost burnt their frat house down because they had locked a bunch of the pledges in the basement after some weirdness that left paper all over the place and a fire started.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Are you actually going to pretend for even a moment that my descriptions are inaccurate?

I'll have to admit that in all my years of college (undergraduate, graduate and post-graduate level) I never ONCE defecated in a bag (or anywhere other than a toilet) To my knowledge neither did any of my fraternity brothers. Perchance that's why most people who know me these days address me as "Dr." Who knows? I won't say that my brothers and I didn't do anything silly, but evacuating one's bowels into a bag (be it plastic or otherwise) isn't something that seemed appropriate. As far as ritual, we had a VERY serious ritual initiation. So serious that we held it in the local Presbyterian Church for many years until it burned (NOT our fault) then we started holding it in the Catholic Church, which was actually more appropriated because we needed the "Sanctuary Lamp" which burns day and night...it was symbolic to our sacred Order.

Sure never thought of crapping in a ziplock though (but that IS amusing) Or I guess it would be if I were younger and had better "aim."

Even beyond pooping into a bag, then they have the pledges carry it around during their daily routine, to their classes, etc, and had it off to one another.

Mad, that'd make a good (but disgusting) 'ziplock' commercial.

"Are you SURE that the seal is tight!?"

Originally posted by Nygdan
Even beyond pooping into a bag, then they have the pledges carry it around during their daily routine, to their classes, etc, and had it off to one another.
Mad, that'd make a good (but disgusting) 'ziplock' commercial.
"Are you SURE that the seal is tight!?"

Yeeecckkk! I'll have to hand it to 'em though...fraternity guys are capable of thinking up some pretty creative things. When one of my fraternity brothers got engaged, he would be stripped to his underwear, tied to a tree in the front yard and have all sorts of "goodies" poured on him; milk, beer, eggs, dry oatmeal, beer, syrup, honey, beer. What a truly brotherly way of saying "congratulations!"

Shriners in the making I tell you!

All these examples of boorish activites have nothing to do with Fraternities, but with college aged men (and women) in general. Most sports teams in college haze their members, and do other silly, or offensive actions.


-- Boat

Its not the fraternity rites and bylaws that are (necessarily) perpetuating these sophmoric acts, true, rather its the membership.

All this discussion about hazing is interesting. Hazing has a static as well as a subjective definition. Most states have laws against hazing, which provides for the black and white legal definition. Most chapters of college frats have found ways to "mess" with thier pledges before they become initiated to bring them together. These activities could be just about anything. This falls into the grey, subjective relm of hazing. Belive me folks just because we don't see or hear about it in public does not mean it dosen't happen. Someone being paddled is hazing of coarse, but what about someone with strong relgious convictions bieng forced to watch porno with other pledges? Verbal abuse is hazing but what about someone who is black/gay/latino/overwieght/ect. having to endure racialy or other types of insensative jokes? Just food for thought.

Um, "bigred" what is your point? Just that "hazing" happens? It happens in almost all groups, not just fraternities.

-- Boat

[edit on 6-7-2006 by Boatphone]

Based on a recent experience I had with this website, I would have to make an educated guess this site is managed by FRAT boys on some University campus. So I'm not surprised to see this was removed with such a ridiculous claim. It appears the true conspirators are the webmasters of this site. LOL.

what law are you breaking by having that informationg on this website???