I'm assuming that, from the tones and diction that some of you are using, most of you aren't too keen on fraternities and fraternal life in general,
not only the secret side. For example:
What? No its not. Getting credit history is completely different that finding out the secret inane rites of some fruity little club.
I doubt that any frat has 'trade secret' protection on any of their 'rituals'
The college fraternities have no legal standing and their blatant attempt to silence people would never hold up in any court. Perhaps there is more to
it than what we are led to believe. There could also be 1st amendment challenges to their so called "trade secrets." I we now are denying ignorance
by censorship. I never thought ATS would concede to to this kind of rhetoric from the college frats
So if this did get brought to court, who would win, the college kids with their weird secret rituals that probably do things like masturbate in a
cemetary while listening to god awful music. Or the website that's expressing it's right to free speech, and bringing these groups less than
adequate activities to the light of day?
I don't know how intiment each of you are with fraternal life or what experiences you may have had, whether good or bad, but what I do know is that
all of you sound very biased and ignorant about what you're commenting on.
Is Animal House or Van Wilder your best idea of fraternity rituals? Hazing has been stomped upon, so while not inexistent, it's uncommon; I was
never hazed and will never allow hazing, and about 99% of the greek like of my campus (30% of 4000 undergrads) would agree.
I'm a Sigma Chi and I say that proudly. I wouldn't and couldn't say that if our ritual or brotherhood actions were uncouth or demoralizing; I
wouldn't be a brother. What makes you think that Sigma Chi would be one of the largest fraternities if we all masturbated in a cemetary or did any
of the other twisted garbage you think goes into fraternity rituals?
Get a clue before you talk: en.wikipedia.org...
And just so you don't think me bias:
Notice the commonality between them all? Friendship. Brotherhood. High moral ideals. Gentlemanly in nature. Strive for academic and social
That you are met with any kind of opposition to your views should be enough to show you that there must be something about these organizations that
allow for such loyalty. None of us are defending our personal reputation--I can care less about what you think of an individual; everyone does not
like everyone else, especially when preconceptions, misconceptions and inexperience abound (not just talking relations between non-fraternal and
fraternal people either)--we're (any brother, of any fraternity, you ever meet who champions their organization) defending our fraternities'
reputation and that should speak volumes; a group centered on debasement and mortification does not foster that kind of life-long conviction.
Talk about brothers and their actions, unbecoming or not, as you will, but a fraternity is an ideal; judge them by those ideals.
And did someone really say that the 1st amendment could be used to challenge privacy? The first amendment is about freedom of expression as an
individual without worry of government censorship. By no means is it some kind of tool that gives you the power to pick locks. If a fraternity
wanted to open up its secrets (like Delta Upsilon), the first amdentment gives them the right to do so; you have no right to extortion.
"...bringing these groups less than adequate activities to the light of day?" Unbury your head and look at the good that is done, look at the
brotherhood between memebers, talk to people and get a bit of education about the area before you comment.
Do you know how hard it is to not stoop to your level and rant and make gross accusations about your merit and character? But, I don't know anyone
personally--you may all be some of the most helpful and tolerant people in the world, but I don't know that by reading your comments, so I keep my
mouth shut; my only perception of any of you is that you are condenming every fraternity everywhere when you haven't been in contact with every
fraternity everywhere, which makes me think you're all jerks. If i got to know you, I may think differently, but your words are your words.
It may not make a difference to any of you, but all Sigma Chis are told that we're in a fraternity, not a frat. Fraternity means brotherhood and
that is something that should never be shortened.
This is actually unclear. THe frats seem to threaten that they have trade secret protection. However, in order to have that protection, it has to be
already established. For example, Coke has a trade secret protection on the forumla for coke. They had to apply to the government for that protection
and it had to be approved. THis is actually a difficult process, and the government is generally not very giving in this repsect. I doubt that any
frat has 'trade secret' protection on any of their 'rituals'. Especially because any frat is going to have built their rites and symbology upon
something, on some other groups rites and symbols and interpretations, so it can't be claimed to be unique and original.
Please, state how this is a difficult process and the percent of trade secrets allowed and percent of trade secrets denied. Instead of only doubting,
do yourself a favor a look it up. Why do fraternities have to build on other groups rites and symbols and interpreteations? Why? Does every author
who writes a book have to build upon some other author's idea? Lots of groups have overlapping symbols, but it's their interpretation that is the
difference, not the same. If everyone had the same interpretation of what a fraternity should be, there'd be one and only one fraternity. And do
you understand that symbols are not part of the secret? That each fraternity clearly states it's mission and symbols and what it's founded upon?
The ritual is what's secret, nothing else. If you know what the fraternity stands for, what it looks for, what it hopes to accomplish, why do you
also need to know how members are inducted if that is wished to be kept secret? Curiousity and bias, that's all.
Yes, individuals have the right to privacy, and yes, individual groups have a right to privacy as well, because in the larger picture, groups are
individuals. Think about that. I'm a penny. Together we're a nickel, but an individual nickel. We can grow to a dime, and while there's other
dimes, we're still ONE dime.
I can say more...lots more...
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