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reply posted on 16-1-2008 @ 01:40 PM by intrepid
reply to post by scientist



This isn't the only site on the Web. You can talk about those topics elsewhere.


reply posted on 27-1-2008 @ 01:37 PM by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by Legalizer



Under most U.S. states' laws (sorry if I cannot speak for the rest of the world) a trade secret is
i) any knowledge that has *ANY* value
ii) that is subject to reasonable efforts to keep it secret.

Fraternity secrets have some value as they help build comraderie, are a source of amusement for fraternity members, and have some sentimental values for fraternity members. They are usually subject to reasonable efforts of secrecy because fraternities require their members to make an oath of secrecy and ritual books are usually kept under lock and key. The bar is set low for taking reasonable efforts to maintain a secret. An organization need not have Fort Knox protection of its secrets. Even if from time to time members of a particular fraternity are known to carelessly leave their ritual books out in public for somebody to see the law will still consider their secrets subject to reasonable efforts of secrecy because for the most part they tried to keep their ritual secret.

Under most U.S. states' laws, misappropriation of a trade secret occurs when you circumvent reasonable measures to maintain secrecy, divulge information which one knows or should know was subject to secrecy. In the case of a fraternity ritual being posted online, the website should know it was subject to secrecy.

Of course, First Ammendment freedom of speech rights come into play too. The big legal question is how free speech rights and trade secret rights interplay with eachother, and under what circumstances one would override the other. Under U.S. law, free speech is not an absolute right and often takes a back seat to other rights like the rights of others to be safe from violence and other people's intellectual property rights.


reply posted on 29-1-2008 @ 12:59 PM by Gools
ATS simply complies with the Law as it applies to a website with its servers based in the United States:

Digital Millennium Copyright Act (Updated May 2nd, 2007)

It is our policy to respond to notices of alleged infringement that comply with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (found at the U.S. Copyright Office) and other applicable intellectual property laws. It is our policy to remove material from public view that we believe in good faith to be copyrighted material that has been illegally copied and distributed by any of our members or users. It is also our policy to terminate the accounts of repeat offenders. If we remove or disable access to comply with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act we will make a good-faith attempt to contact the owner, author, or administrator of each affected site so that they may make a counter notification pursuant to sections 512(g)(2) and (3) of that Act.
Infringement Notification

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reply posted on 29-1-2008 @ 09:56 PM by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by mmmeat



. In the US, trade secrets are not protected by federal laws, but by state laws and state courts. The definition you cited is found in a federal law, but for the most part is pretty spot on in that it mimics the language found in the Model Codes. (For those of you who are not lawyers, a Model Code is a book written by law school professors which lists laws that many states end up adopting.)

Many states' courts will interpret "economic value" pretty loosely to include anything of any value. For example, a court found that the Scientologists' secret mythology had "economic value." Also, the examples listed in the definition of what a trade secret could be (e.g. "plans") are just examples and not an exhaustive list.

Even if some states' courts would not consider fraternity rituals trade secrets, there are some states' courts that would interpret the term loosely to include fraternity rituals. Fraternies could easily "forum shop," or pick the state whose laws are most favorable to the fraternities, and sue ATS in those states.


reply posted on 1-2-2008 @ 08:47 PM by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by mmmeat



Hi mmeat,

I don't think the website operators are worried about criminal liability for misappropriating trade secrets by posting fraternity rituals on their website. Frat boys cannot initiate criminal proceedings against the website, the government has to initiate such proceedings. My guess is that the web site got a cease and desist letter from some frat boys threatening civil suit, not a letter from a U.S. attorney threatening a criminal action. As an aside, if the federal government did threaten the website with a criminal action, it would be great evidence of a conspiracy theory involving fraternities. Afterall, the government would not hassle a website like ATS for posting silly frat boy secrets because it is too busy trying to deal with *major* problems, unless certain officials in government are a little too concerned with fraternities.

You are right in that sometimes trade secret suits are filed in federal courts, but they are done so under diversity jurisdiction. Federal courts have diversity jurisdiction over lawsuits when people from two different states (or countries) are involved in a civil suit. In diversity suits, federal courts apply state laws. If you look at the pleadings from the trade secret case you were involved in, it will not only mention about diversity jurisdiction, but it will mention a trade secret cause of action invoking the trade secret law of a particular state.
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