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Originally posted by whatukno
Actually Hawaii is a state. Doesn't matter what some nutcase says, reality says something completely different.
www.hawaii-nation.org...
uscode.house.gov...
Sorry, Hawaii is a state, and Obama is the President.
Originally posted by gnosticquasar
What matters in relation to the U.S. constitution is the relation that the U.S. government sees. If the U.S. sees that Hawaii was a state, that would make Obama a full-fledged legal citizen in the eyes of the U.S. government. Thus, according to the Constitution, he is eligible.
Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
I see McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. I feel more comfortable about the possibility of turning the throne over to Biden right now when we could be bringing up similar points to possibly give it to Palin. If the vote had gone the other way and the Canal zone were not a question she could still be just a heartbeat away.
Originally posted by UluaHuntah808
Hawaii still maintains its sovereignty, its just been illegally occupied for the past 113 years.
Originally posted by aptness
Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
I see McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. I feel more comfortable about the possibility of turning the throne over to Biden right now when we could be bringing up similar points to possibly give it to Palin. If the vote had gone the other way and the Canal zone were not a question she could still be just a heartbeat away.
I didn’t have a problem with McCain being able to be President if he had won. I am, in fact, against the natural-born citizen clause. I understand why it is there and what were the concerns at the time, but I don’t think it is warranted at this day and age.
I raise the point of McCain because the birthers claim to be ferociously interested in upholding the Constitution, and yet I don’t think there’s even one thread on ATS devoted to the question of McCain’s natural-born citizen, or not, status.
Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
Originally posted by UluaHuntah808
Hawaii still maintains its sovereignty, its just been illegally occupied for the past 113 years.
I guess some southern parts of Texas and California could make the same claim. Texas has some disputed land north of the Rio Grande that it battled with Mexico for. California had a vote to go with the US for statehood and many Mexican citizens have entered - legally or not?? - that would like it returned to Mexico.
I don't believe any of that would happen, nor with Hawaii. You might consider that conquered territory like those parts of Texas. Hawaii has had statehood for over 50 years now so some would consider it a done deal. I seem to recall South Carolina wanting to cede from the Union. There was a real big deal made of that but it didn't happen.
Nice thread though. The Obama angle gives it legs and a platform for other related discussion.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by UluaHuntah808
So, basically you are deliberately creating a HOAX in order to push another theory? You KNOW that Hawaii is actually a state, you KNOW that Obama was born there and is eligible to be President, but in order to get attention for this lawsuit, you have decided to piggyback it to the failed birther conspiracy?
Pretty low man, pretty low.
Originally posted by UluaHuntah808
BTW, a little bit of information on me, Im not a birther at all if you think this post is mainly about Obama, it is really not. I visit this site everyday to read about all the wacky conspiracies, whether they real or not, I decide for myself with my own research. I never posted or commented on anything until today when I came across the post about "Abercrombie not being able to find Obama's birth certificate". I figured that since I come across an Obama birther thread everyday, why not give you guys something new to chew on. The Obama part attracts people all the while it also presents an opportunity to expose you all to "Hawaii not a being a State legally" since the news media does a very good job at not talking about this at all! As far as US presidents are elected, I really don't care who gets elected. Its always the same person that gets elected, just with a different mask on!
Originally posted by UluaHuntah808
Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
Originally posted by UluaHuntah808
Hawaii still maintains its sovereignty, its just been illegally occupied for the past 113 years.
I guess some southern parts of Texas and California could make the same claim. Texas has some disputed land north of the Rio Grande that it battled with Mexico for. California had a vote to go with the US for statehood and many Mexican citizens have entered - legally or not?? - that would like it returned to Mexico.
I don't believe any of that would happen, nor with Hawaii. You might consider that conquered territory like those parts of Texas. Hawaii has had statehood for over 50 years now so some would consider it a done deal. I seem to recall South Carolina wanting to cede from the Union. There was a real big deal made of that but it didn't happen.
Nice thread though. The Obama angle gives it legs and a platform for other related discussion.
Well how can Hawaii secede from the Union when it has never been ceded to the Union to begin with. There is no cession without a treaty of annexation. The issue is illegal occupation and non compliance on part of the US president in an fulfilling executive agreement with the Hawaiian Kingdom Government in restoring the Hawaiian Kingdom Government and removing itself from a country that legally still maintains its sovereignty till today. Basically the Hawaiian Kingdom Government still has its sovereignty, it just has no government.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by UluaHuntah808
So, basically you are deliberately creating a HOAX in order to push another theory? You KNOW that Hawaii is actually a state, you KNOW that Obama was born there and is eligible to be President, but in order to get attention for this lawsuit, you have decided to piggyback it to the failed birther conspiracy?
Pretty low man, pretty low.
Originally posted by UluaHuntah808
The issue is illegal occupation and non compliance on part of the US president in an fulfilling executive agreement with the Hawaiian Kingdom Government in restoring the Hawaiian Kingdom Government and removing itself from a country that legally still maintains its sovereignty till today.