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Originally posted by apodictic
As with Gov. Abercrombie coming our and saying "Oh yeah we're gonna release his documents," then it turns to "Oh yeah we can't find them," and now it's "we can't legally release them." Wtf?
Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?
A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.
(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)
It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down
Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
The Governor's comment about "... a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have" seems to open another controversy though. That may be a topic for another thread, but do we know what he was referring to? Is that cat out of the bag yet?
First, sdcigarpig, let me thank you for your wonderful post.
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
What you are suggesting, would fully discriminate against a portion of the population of the country who would be considered a natural born citizen. Are you for discriminating against people, all cause they were not born on what would be considered US soil or all 50 states proper?
Addressing your first point, I think much of the confusion and doubt we have here is exactly because the Constitution doesn’t specify what a natural-born citizen is. I would interpret this omission as meaning the The Framers were relying on the common law principle (native-born citizen).
The Constitution having recognized that persons born within the several States are citizens of the United States, one of four things must be true:
First. That the constitution itself has described what native-born persons shall or shall not be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States; or,
Second:. That it has empowered Congress to do so; or,
Third. That all free persons, born within the several States, are citizens of the United States; or,
Fourth. That it is left to each State to determine what free persons, born within its limits, shall be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States.
sdcigarpig, if Obama was born in Hawaii, 8 USC 1401 doesn’t even come to play, because Obama would be a Fourteenth Amendment citizen by virtue of his birth. If Obama, or anyone else for that matter, is born in the United States, then they are a citizen, with no conditions, and their parentage is thus irrelevant.
You mention the Rogers V. Bellei case, however, there is one thing, though Obama’s father is an African national, he was born in Hawaii, to a woman who was an American Citizen of the United States of America. (...) So, there you have it, a child, where the father is a national of a country in Africa, and the mother, a natural citizen of the United States of America, born in a territory, under the control of the United States, which the question of citizenship is covered under Title 8 of the USC, is therefore considered a natural citizen of the United States.
Originally posted by rusethorcain
If this is true and you are correct I would like to recommend we immediately relieve all members of the opposing party who in our system of checks and balances neither checked nor balanced.
Apparently...from what you say here the Republicans are barely holding down the light end of the sea-saw.
They have in an ommission of facts and in an act of the greatest irresponsibility allowed a man to take the highest office of the land who is not even legally allowed to.
Clearly, if this is so...the entire GOP should be removed for sleeping at the wheel, the entire GOP should recuse itself for stupidity and dangerous, irresponsible incompetence.
Originally posted by truepatriot
"We would have seen his birth certificate by now..."