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14-Year-Old Boy Shoots Own Dad And Grandma

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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 08:09 AM
reply to post by strato

Maybe this is actually truer than you think. Victims in video games and TV often come back to life. I don't think these kids really know that when you use a real weapon on a real person, they can be killed.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 08:09 AM
Ohh it must be the guns fault...

It's funny all the guns in my house, guns my children use to hunt and omg we have video games too, even the ones where you shoot people, yet everyone in my household is safe and not going on shooting sprees.

Before people start blaming guns, video games, television or any other lame excuses you hear people spewing in here, try this on for size;


The majority of the world is too busy to take the time to parent their children. Television and video game babysitters, frozen pizza and fast food meals and a bunch of children growing up with no family bonds at all. These are who become criminals, it's nobodys fault but the parents.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 08:14 AM
This is so sad.
Copy cat killing was the first thing I thought of. To get attention. For what ever reason.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 08:16 AM
reply to post by Stumpjumper

People will always try and blame it on guns, or video games. Never the person that actually did the crime.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 08:34 AM
For those who say it must be video games. Well like playing racing games doesn't mean I go speeding around with cops chasing me 18 wheeler. I play 1st shooter games I don't go buying guns to shot people.

18 to 21 to buy a gun in the USA to buy a gun, but 21 to drink booze. And you can give your 4 year old a gun as a present. you cannot give your 20 year old adult a beer with our getting a fine or maybe jail. That is kinda funny.

I think there is s lot more to this story than this . some form of abuse or mental instability.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 08:39 AM
reply to post by edge1

Its very true that various markets are frequently blamed for thier influence over consumers, gambling sites are blamed for the destitution of thier users, drug dealers blamed for the dependance of the addict, guns for murder, and media culture for the errosion of decency and good manners.
However, in this case it may be prudent to await/aquire new data in order to better theorise the causes of this crime. As alluded to in my previous posts on this issue, there are affects of the mind which , although not technicaly putting a person beyond reason, and into the realms of not being capable of responsibility for thier actions due to mental defect, can produce gruesome, horrific acts, without the influence of any particular issue in a persons life.
I think that this will prove to have a greater baring on the issue than merely playing the blame game for hours on end.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 08:49 AM
reply to post by seedofchucky

Before you blame video games, take a look at whats on TV, murder murder murder murder death death death death, CSI CSI CSI CSI on every channel from early afternoon til the next day. Video games is a byproduct of television technology, and without a TV we wouldn't have video games. Therefor it's more correct to blame television for implanting ideas onto the population.

Atleast on a computer we share the game time spent killing players with time spent watching pornography, which is in a sense, the opposite of killing people, it's the art of making love. Unfortunately that's banned on TV, so television is basically only selling ideas on how to kill people without an equal share of love and care the way a man can easily interact with such sensations. Too much violence and not enough mojo :-)

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:04 AM
reply to post by ravenflt

Im afraid it doesnt wash. Using television or any other propeganist media source as some sort of excuse for depravity and degeneracy is frankly pathetic. It shows an utter disregard for personal responsibility. I am a big fan of CSI, violent movies , and frankly horrific computer gaming. However, I have no criminal record, nor any desire to commit crime. If I am unaffected by this apparant power the mere television has over the people who do these things, then can we really say that television , or for that matter any facet of entertainment media can really be said to have the effect of making generations moraly repugnant ?
I say no. The issues which drive random acts of violence, from otherwise well adjusted polite members of society cannot be explained away so easily. In a person who is of sound mind, and not afflicted with psychopathic tendancies, or some other mental defect, there is never an excuse for turning into a murderer or gangster, other than ones own malice. People must learn to take responsibility for thier actions, and cease entirely this pathetic line of reasoning, which dictates that mere machines can ever control the glorious culmination of millions of years of evolution, which mankind represents.
The naked fact is that there are two kinds of criminal. Those who are criminal because they are mentaly deranged or damaged in some way, and those who make a free will choice to do what they do. In the first case thier can be said to be a lack of responsibility, schizophrenics are a case in point, being as they are someone else half the time, and not in thier right mind. But those who choose the path of death and depravity must at all costs bare the whole wieght of responsibility. Believe you me, I have every reason, according to the media mind control theory, to be outdoors right now, swinging the smiling blade of an axe through the sternum of anyone I come across. I do not, because being of sound mind I deem such random acts deplorable and inexcusable , and a detriment to society.
If I can tell the difference, and choose my path correctly, then anyone can. It is only in the rare case where a persons mental issues prevent them from making a free will choice of any kind where such a thing can be looked upon as a symptom rather than an outright sin.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:16 AM
reply to post by ModernAcademia

Who defines what is normal tho? I mean that always puzzles me. Although this is really tragic and i understand what you mean....but is there a possibility that maybe all of us can be capable of the "non normal" things. I mean if you consider yourself normal...then look inside yourself and maybe you'll have the answer. What Would Make You Snap? just a thought.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:28 AM
I am a southern man. I was given a .22 rifle for my tenth birthday. I was ruthlessly abused by an alocoholic step-father on a daily basis until I was 15. By age 12 I could shoot a dime off a clothesline at 100 paces. I hunted regularly until I was 25 or so. I've been an avid video game enthusiast since I received a ColecoVision at age 7.

Given all that, shouldn't I have killed someone by this point? I mean all these horrible influences on my fragile developing psyche should have caused me to snap at some point, no?

The fact is none of these things will MAKE you do something as horrific as the things this kid did. He was born broken. Its funny that you can be homosexual from birth(according to popular guesses), but crazy has to be from some outside influence.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:36 AM
I don't think people just snap,I think some people just hide there true feeling's better then other's."Just snapping" is, for some, the best way to explain something you don't understand.

We are all born human predator's before we are anything and the level of each person' limit's and how fare they can be pushed before reacting is different in every human but every human has there limit.The fact that we as a spicies can't find a way to stop killing each other say's a lot.

Note! I know i say this a lot and I'm sure that there are alot of you out there that are probably tired of hearing it if you even read my post after so long of me saying this fact over and over,but i have never recived a comment from anyone about the fact that as a spicies we can not find a way to stop killing each other,this fact really haunts me and it astonish's me that it does not seem to mean anything to other's Granted i have not read all post so I'm sorry if I have offened anybody.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:40 AM
Guns don't cause people to snap. Neither do video games. Look at the asian man from Canada, that "snapped" on that grehound bus. Older guy, no video games, no gun. Pocket knife. Killed, dismembered and ATE parts of his victim.

No weirdness prior.

Also when asked in court why he did it...he also "did not know".

Guns and video games. pffft.

People. (or secret government control)
edit on 22-1-2011 by Demoncreeper because: Government made me do it.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:45 AM
Is there any more information on the family that visited the weekend before the shooting? Where they visited from, or their names or relations? It could be significant.

If he was healthy and well-adjusted up to that visit, he had the gun since September, and then something majorly changed from the time of that visit to the shooting.

All of those thinking mind control or abuse could be onto something. Dig folks and if you find anything post it, or U2U me.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:01 AM
Ah, go back to my first post on this thread. Here's an update.

Family Friend Talks About Triple Shooting

DeLoach said she met the family about five years ago and introduced the boy and his sister to her children. She said the family was going through a rough time financially. "The father, Joe, he's not really been in the home that long," DeLoach said. "We actually took Christmas over there for the children, and they were just as happy as they could be then."

Go read the rest of the story. Did anyone know that there was a sister? Edit to add: the article goes on to say that the father had not been in the home long and that the grandmother was bedridden before the shooting, and her older sister had been caring for her.

Speculation: The financial hard times could have caused this boy to "think" he was protecting his mother and sister from the "drains" on the family resources? Hard to say, but the plot thickens.
edit on 22/1/2011 by SeenMyShare because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:04 AM
reply to post by space cadet

Wow, pretty chilling story that I think gets at the mentality of many young people today. Thank you for sharing it. Hope life's been well for you since those days!

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:08 AM
this is why you teach gun responsibility to children. Too many idiot kids who think all guns are just "pew pew", a big video game related joke.

do you think this child could have benefited from "never point a gun at someone, loaded or not"?

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:11 AM
reply to post by SeenMyShare

You could be exactly right. Mercy killing of the sick grandmother and even older great-aunt, no respect for father that was failing to provide, and protection of mother and sister.

Perhaps his cold demeanor and "I don't know" responses are more protection for his mother and sister. He might not want them to feel responsible or guilty, and he might just be willing to take the whole thing on his own shoulders if he feels everything he did was right.

And, who knows, maybe it was? We weren't in that home, his actions might have ended some suffering and provided a way out to a better life for his mother and sister.

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:15 AM
reply to post by getreadyalready

Its pretty telling GetReadyAlready, that there IS a sister who supposedly lived in the house and was assumedly in the house at the time of the shooting was NOT shot. Still, nothing was mentioned even by the family friend of there being a mother involved in their life. I jumped the gun on that assumption. Definitely a sister though, definitely not shot.

edit on 22/1/2011 by SeenMyShare because: corrected spelling

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:17 AM
reply to post by Bunken Drum

I would count any dead body just lying around as good as murder. Granted most of those would originate from rich European and American corporations. But it's still a murder.

I still need real stats for your claims. something like a quarter of Americans own guns. And yet our homicidal rate of murder is way low in the list. And our population has been growing as the crime rate in general has been lowering. In fact our murder rate has cut in half whilst we've grown in the size of 57 million people. That's a size almost the whole of France. So I must cast serious doubts on your claims when these facts come to light.

Per capita we are still 24th on the list. And this makes sense. We have a good number of well-distributed people from all around the world. We, more or less, are the average for all nations. Because we ARE all nations in population.
edit on 22-1-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:44 AM
Sarah Palin did it.

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