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14-Year-Old Boy Shoots Own Dad And Grandma

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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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I'm sorry i cant resist the reply...

And most of you americans are pro-guns...

Then you wonder why this sh*t happens! You make your bed you lay in it...




posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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Well it's gone international.

Told you ATS has a way of aiding these stories. Citizen led press - not always a bad thing.

-m0r



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:49 AM
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This incident reminds me much of a short story I had to read in grade school, the Stone Boy:
www.enotes.com...



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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What am I babbling on about?

Its normal on ATS for random shootings to be blamed on MK Ultra or mind control programs.

Almost no one ever discusses parapsychological or paranormal alternatives.
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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 03:07 AM
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I'm suspecting that he had a psychotic break with reality. Why this happened instantaneously I wouldn't know. It could have been something building up to that moment. I don't think it has anything to do with the gun or mk ultra. His statement "I don't know" could have meant anything, but to me it sounds like he broke from reality. In order to understand why would be for us to know what caused that to begin with.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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Your bringing up paranormal causes reminded me of a story I found out about after moving to my area. A man up and shot his wife and two kids back in the 1920's in this farm house a few towns away from me. The next family that moved in, a brother shot his dad and brother in the 40's when he came home from the war. In the 1970's, a woman drowned her child in the pond out behind the house, and in the 90's a teen who claimed to be into devil worship "sacrificed' his mother and boyfriend in the living room of the home. No one lives in that house now because someone set it on fire in the 80's and what's left of it is still standing. It's a strange thing but I do think it could have definitely been paranormal.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
This is not mind control. This is a statement of the society that we live in. We do not know if this kid was on any of the numerous medications that is suppose to "help" our children behave or not. If some sort of abuse was involved, sexual or otherwise, then it is still a statement about our society. I like the post referencing video games and the influnence that they have on children. I think that this is a stong possibility. As the OP said, this is not about gun control, I had my first shotgun at 11, I didn't kill anyone. Niether did thousands of other kids that were introduced to guns at an early age.

I think that we need to look at what we are doing to our kids on so many levels. No dicipline at home or at school under the fear of going to jail or getting sued. And yes I will say it, no spirituallity in their lives. It will continue to get worse generation to generation. End of rant.
Seeashrink







I like the post referencing video games and the influnence that they have on children. I think that this is a stong possibility.

Enough blaming the video gaming industry ok?

How do you know he played any video games were you there?


Video games do not have an influence on children, why dont you blame the television shows? or the parent oh of course not you wont, case your a anti-video game person, and a pro gun activist, blaming the shooting on the video games rather then blaming the blame on the parent for buying a god dam Rifle for his son birthday.


You mention society well for once, i believe the teenager had a troubled childhood with his parents, rather then you finger pointing the blame on the video games (Freedom of Speech)


Video game designers have the Freedom of Speech to make the game on how they want it, don't movies and Television shows share the same responsibility's?

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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:24 AM
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It's obviously the comic book industry that influenced him.

Ban all comics!

-m0r

NB: They did actually blame child crime pre-GTA on comics. And rock and roll.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:40 AM
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What good will Banning Freedom Bring?
It wont change anything.

So now the anti video games crowd go on and blame the comics ok i didn't see that one coming, maybe you could explain why it was the comics fault



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:48 AM
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It was blamed on comics because before them we didn't have child thieves, murder committed by juveniles, sweat shops, sex, swearing or any social troubles.

Batman wasn't created to fight crime. Crime didn't exist before him. Once he was created all the evils of the world came into existence and things like zombies, ray guns and girls were obviously bad influences on our children and had to be banned instantly.

-m0r

NB: This and the previous post by me in this thread was satire heavy.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:50 AM
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There are bizarre cases like that throughout history.

Thats one of my griefs with the mind control theory. The CIA has only been around for around half a century, yet these bizarre murders have happened for millenia.

In my opinion we should be looking at the possibility of psychogenic "pathogens" and a relationship with Dr. Carl Jung's Collective Unconscious and the Noosphere of Dr. Vernadsky and Teilhard. We already know the personal unconscious has a profound impact on an individual, yet we cannot explain the apparent anomalous transmission of information from one unconscious to another, which is found in outbreaks of mass psychogenic illness and other memetic phenomena.


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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 05:15 AM
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If this boy was given his own .22 at 14 he was/should have been familiar with guns already. He most likely had been hunting many times with his father before. Everyone keeps remarking on the head shots. Here's my take. If you don't want an animal to suffer when you shoot it you try for a head or a heart shot. We were taught that the first time our father ever put a rifle in our hands. You make your shot count so that there is no unnecessary suffering, so that the kill shot is the first shot.

Is it possible he made head shots to eliminate the chance of pain or suffering? This also says to me there was thought in the process. The stepson I spoke of in a prior post also used the phrase "I don't know" when you asked him why he did any of the things he did, yet you knew there was always a reason.

Speaking of the "I don't know":

Once I asked him to carry a cordless drill into the house for me and put it on the kitchen table. He did and came back out a few minutes later. I asked him what took him so long and he said "Nuthin". Trigger word!! So I went into the house and looked around. The drill had some black hair on the bit. I found our cat and she had a bald spot on her back. He'd laid the spinning bit on her hair and ripped a patch off! When I asked him why he did that he said "I don't know". When pressed for an answer the best he could come up with is "I wanted to see what would happen".

He was raised in a household with guns that were kept under lock and key, and he did not get to learn to handle them.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 05:29 AM
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You all want more ideas on what happened? Okay. First we need our trustworthy ATS researchers to find out if this boy was on any drugs. Then we can carefully examine the following information.

www.erichufschmid.net...


Many of the nightmarish killings of recent memory, especially the bizarre family tragedies which seem to be occurring with increasing frequency, have been scientifically linked to a sleep disorder caused by commonly-used, but dangerous and addictive anti-depressant medications.

A Mayo Clinic study, said to be the first systematic demonstration of the relationship between anti-depressants and a sleep disorder known as RBD was presented at a June 19 sleep disorder conference in Salt Lake City. The Mayo study demonstrated that a link exists between the use of anti-depressant medications in young people and the onset of REM Sleep Behavior Disorder (RBD).

RBD is the freakish sleep disorder, described by Dr. Tracy, in which patients act out their dreams, which are often unpleasant and violent.

The acting out of nightmares results from a loss of normal muscle paralysis in REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, the dream stage of sleep. The normal muscle paralysis prevents one from acting out a dream or nightmare. RBD patients, however, generally act out their dreams in a defensive posture, as if fending off an attacker, says R. Robert Auger, M.D., Mayo Clinic sleep medicine specialist, psychiatrist and primary investigator.

Dr. Tracy greeted the Mayo study saying this is exactly what she has been warning about for 14 years.

Asked about the significance of the Mayo Clinic study on the discussion of the dangers of SSRI anti-depressants, Tracy said: "It is extremely significant. This is the disorder I have been saying for 14 years is the main cause of such out-of-character violent behavior in association with the use of anti-depressants.


Spread the word people.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:08 AM
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Hunting is a part of many southerners heritage, but not any more so than other parts of the country, or world - after all we are 'hunter-gatherers'

It is entirely possible that when the police were called to the area of, and in, the house that the current family did not reside there. This could easily explain how the current family was in no way related to past incidents at, in, and around the home.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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You can get the home address from the latest news report where the grandmother has in fact, died. Load that address into Google Earth and you'll see that they lived smack dab in the middle of a bunch of businesses. Its not surprising that there were calls for police all around their home. I don't think one thing has anything to do with the other, personally.

An aside: I had preconceived notions about the area surrounding their house. I thought they'd be more rural. They actually live in a sort of business district with other houses, a development and multiple businesses.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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I must confess to having made an assumption. It just never occured to me that, since I'm evidently intellient enough to use the internet & convey my ideas with a wide vocabulary & good grammar, I'd need to mention the phrase "per capita". Amongst people I know, when comparing populations, it would be considered superfluous, as what else could you mean & still be making sense? Hey ho. I apologise.

As it happens, the stats are very unreliable & also misleading. For instance, in the 3rd World & developing nations, a lack of good &/or prompt emergency medical care results in far more deaths from injuries sustained through violence that wasn't intended to kill. In many of these places there are also low level internecine conflicts going on, or de facto civil war, which is not @all the same thing as privately motivated murder, & some of these are being exacerbated by external political influence. Its also the case that in some poorer regions of the world, what passes for law & order is murder. The charities/UN agencies dont distinguish: they count a dead body as a homicide stat. On top of all this, developing nations have a vested interest in hyping up the figures b/c it gets them more foreign aid.
In the west however, we have various categories of homicide & govt depts that can & do massage the figures to make such political points as "see how much safer you are since we took office". Contrarily however, some European govts are just as interested in the intent to kill as the body count & thus report attempted & successful murder in the same stat.

Nevertheless, despite the flaws in comparison, its believed that North Americans (including the gun owning yet curiously less murderous Canadians) kill each other about 4 times more per capita than Europeans as a whole. When you consider that some European countries have a higher rate of gun ownership than the USA, this is startling.
Look it up



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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I find it equally hilarious and pathetic to see parents blame video games, music, drugs and every single thing their mind can conceive to pass the blame on when all they would need to do is sit and talk to their kids and they would have all the answers,,, The sad part is they know deep down the answers will lead them into looking into a mirror and wondering why... So its easier to blame games and everything than to sit and talk to your kids... But they are way to busy with work and other really important things...

My dad was there to remind me with a good boot up the rear when I did something stupid but he was there to give me a pat on the back and tell me he was proud when I did something good, he was there when I needed someone to talk to and he was a friend when I needed one...

Whether its to give him a kick in the rear, a pat on the back, a talk or a simple smile I think being a parent is as simple as being there when needed... How simple is this yet so many parents fails to do so... Don't blame the game when there's a "Parental advisory" and "Rated M" sign that's 2 inch by 2 inch on the cover game blame yourself... some kids minds are more feeble than others and its your job as a parent to discern what could potentially affect your kid and/or could cause him to do something stupid...



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:55 AM
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I see so many parents who don't know where their kids are, who their kid's friends are, what they do all day (and night), who have no time to simply talk to their kids. Its easy. You start when they are born and you don't stop! Enough of this "kid's space". Its time for parents to actually remember how to parent! Otherwise they are just zookeepers. Throw food and water at them, provide a roof and forget them.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by SeenMyShare
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I see so many parents who don't know where their kids are, who their kid's friends are, what they do all day (and night), who have no time to simply talk to their kids. Its easy. You start when they are born and you don't stop! Enough of this "kid's space". Its time for parents to actually remember how to parent! Otherwise they are just zookeepers. Throw food and water at them, provide a roof and forget them.


EXACTLY!!! people need sit down with them not as "I'M YOUR PARENT THEREFOR I AM HIGHER THAN THOU" just sit down, if he's/she's now mature enough and you've never done it crack open two beers and give him one sit outside and talk. You'll be the coolest parent on earth the next day and you'll win their respect... And its only a friggen beer he's not going to die or get drunk... Too many parent take respect from their kid as granted or something that comes automatic with the title... WAKE UP CUZ ITS NOT!!!... win your kids respect and you won't have to shove your foot up their butt or punish them... then after when you say something they won't just roll their eyes and say "whatever" they will value and respect what you say and your decisions as a parent.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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what a society this has become
why are people blaming video games?

What about the parents who actually buy kids these games?
What about parents who don't check how violent a game is before allowing it in their house?

Come on people



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