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14-Year-Old Boy Shoots Own Dad And Grandma

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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by CrazyMonkey

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by bian101
Its a sad story...

But Karma does bite you in the ass, give a child a killing machine.. Karma comes around and takes your life.



There are literally hundreds of things in an average home that could be used as a "killing machine".

I wonder if these gun control posters blamed their spelling mistakes in school on their pencils?


People kill people, but a gun adds an extra measure of effeciency and range. If somebody has a knife, you can run, or have half a chance of wrestling it out of their hands.

A gun is a not something you need, but something you want. If you NEED a gun, then you live in a messed up country.



Did it ever cross you mind that people have been murderinng others long before the gun was invented?




posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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And like it's been said, if he met a sane man with a gun, he's be dead.

The only safe guard against a crazy man is having his same weapons in sane hands. Not a downgrade. And most certainly not banning his weapons. He'll find them.

Nope. Hitler himself said it quite well. The only way you can beat him is to become him. Similarly, the only way to beat a crazy man is to have his power in sane hands. There is no other way. There never has been. if the crazy man gets more efficient, then you get more efficient.


Sounds like a vicious circle and usually theres no escaping those!



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by CrazyMonkey

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by bian101
Its a sad story...

But Karma does bite you in the ass, give a child a killing machine.. Karma comes around and takes your life.



There are literally hundreds of things in an average home that could be used as a "killing machine".

I wonder if these gun control posters blamed their spelling mistakes in school on their pencils?


People kill people, but a gun adds an extra measure of effeciency and range. If somebody has a knife, you can run, or have half a chance of wrestling it out of their hands.

A gun is a not something you need, but something you want. If you NEED a gun, then you live in a messed up country.



Did it ever cross you mind that people have been murderinng others long before the gun was invented?


Did it ever cross your mind that I never said it was guns are the reason people get killed. If somebody wants to kill you, they will find a way, but nothing is more effecient than a gun.

If somebody decided to bring a knife to a massacre it wouldnt be much of a massacre. I am just pointing out a gun is very effecient at what it does.
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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Thanks for bringing that up, I too am from the south, and I don't hunt, my husband doesn't hunt, my parents didn't or grandparents, neither do my husbands' family. Matter of fact I have one brother that hunts, and a few folks he knows hunts, I am sure that there are plenty of hunters around here, but it is not a regular activity for us 'southerners' to go out and shoot animals.

And as far as not talking to each other? Get real, it is hard to get them to STOP talking each other! Discussions are alive and well here honey. The front porches are comfy and ready for it! So are the dinner tables.

I did host a group of folks from Montana here at the hotel a couple of weeks ago, and if I were ignorant, I would sum up that everyone in Montana is bloodthirsty for big game, because that is what most of them wanted to do on the days they were idle, they kept asking where to find 'the real backwoods' and the 'big game' animals. I could only direct them to a local college where deer stand and let you pet them.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Cool, so you have a firm grasp on reality. At least you're not pushing the ridiculous idea that if there were no guns things like this wouldn't happen. In fact, the murders would be more greusome and painful for the victims. Sick people kill people, and have been doing so for thousands of years.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by Visitor2012
Expect to see more of this as long as parent-slaves remain unawakened, and children, full of energy and life, are plunged deeper into a pointless world, void of love and spiritual intelligence.
edit on 21-1-2011 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)


you nailed it. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I remember when I was 14. Thats 8th grade. I was getting bullied every day. My existence was pure hell. 5 days a week I'd go to school and get teased and beat up and spit on and called a girl or a gay. I'd tell my parents I hated school and that everyone was mean to me and they would just say well kids will be kids, you can't just not go to school.

I can say honestly that at that age if you gave me a loaded gun I would have gone on a mass murder spree too. It's not easy being a 14 year old outcast with no friends and more enemies than you can count. I used to have this fantasy when I was walking in the halls between classes. In my fantasy I had a razor sharp katana and as I passed each person I would visualize swinging the blade through them and watching the two halves of them slide apart in a fountain of gore. I still to this day want to kill those people. In fact If I ever run into one of my old bullies, it's on. I've held this grudge for almost 20 years and I will never forgive them. They made me the monster I am and they deserve to die.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by Calender

Originally posted by CrazyMonkey

Originally posted by Calender
This is a tragic story, and I have to agree with the individual that said that there was more going on than meets the eye. A boy just does not snap and kill his parents. That is not normal. But it does make me think of a couple of prophecies concerning the mental attitude of people during the last days:


(Matthew 24:12) and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.

and


(2 Timothy 3:1-3) . . .But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here...disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,  having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness...

All of these traits are growing at an unprecedented pace. The lack of love among people, their fierce, puffed up, headstrong attitude, their lack of love for what is good, their lack of self-control, all of it. It is everywhere. This attitude even permeates many of the people on this message board.

A sign of the times? Yes.

I have no doubt that even though all these attitudes exist in mankind today on a scale never before seen, that it is being driven by the wicked spirit rulers, or Satan and his demons. And that this boy NO doubt, NO DOUBT, listened to Heavy Metal music, it will be revealed that he did. He probably also was involved with drug use, and was NO DOUBT under demonic influence when he killed his parents.




Sorry to rain on your party, but wow
, You gained all this information how? lol

I believe you are applying your assumptions without knowing full FACTs

edit on 22-1-2011 by CrazyMonkey because: adding a sentence


The assumptions, which is what they are, that this boy was involved with heavy metal music and drug use, comes from years of reading of young children his age doing these things. Without and exception they all had been involved with heavy metal music and drug use, the ones that I have studied, including the recent killing that had just gained a lot of attention on Tucson, AZ, the two kids that killed the people at Columbine High School, in Littleton, CO, among others. It is a pattern. It is such a blatant pattern, that very very rarely will I make an assumption as this, but it seems so clear as to be quite obvious even though it has not yet been revealed. This young child did listen to heavy metal music, and was almost assuredly using drugs. I have no doubt that in a couple of days this will be vindicated.


I am fairly confident there are hundreds of kids (very very modest estimate, multiply that by at least a million) who listen to heavy metal. So if Heavy Metal was truly responsible then we have a big problem on our hands! Which I doubt.

If your saying heavy metal with the combination of mind altering substances is a common cause for homocide, and an evident pattern exists. Then that is cause for a pyschological evaluation.
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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:57 AM
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Maybe he was a Montauk Boy???? This is very typical behavior of that type...perfect little kid then at the blink of an eye whomever is behind the controls changes this poor kids world. Definitely not the norm to say the least.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
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..........The thing about such conspiracies that involve people, such as some black program, gives humans a sense of control. That humanity is in control.

No one likes to entertain the idea, that at times we lose control and it has nothing to do with humanity.

People would rather believe in psychoconspiratorial projects ran by humans than ponder a paranormal or parapsychological origin for such phenomena.


...........If there is a non human element involved, I think it greatly disturbs people. Secret societies and other such conspiracies, offer a sense of hope. The bad guys are human and we can fight back.



Or maybe, it's a little of both: the 'black programs' are ran by humans that are influenced by some non-human element that is unthinkable for most of us. That is the ultimate conspiracy theory. Maybe these secret societies are influenced by some outside element. That to me is very disturbing if true. But, at what point do we distinguish our own personal blunders from some evil outside influence? Essentially, we are truly responsible for our own actions; but, when we cultivate a population of complacency, shallowness, and laziness, the line becomes blurred. Institutions and religion start to define the very simple aspects of our world view. These institutions are made of people that we entrust in our lazy midst to to create a simple world to live by...and they may be influenced by this other evil force. A force that exploits our ego which responds to fear and euphoria.

But now, I think it's reaching a pinnacle where our shallow sense of self will show dangerous cracks. And I have to wonder if these recent bizarre shootings are a lesson for our collective consciousness, if only by default: that when we shut down the very true nature of what we can be as beings...survive by being as one (OMG, socialistic...yes we evolved as social creatures)...to learn to respect and love , we are going to tumble down the ego driven vault of absolute insanity. Our children are the proverbial canary in the coal mine.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:03 AM
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We can speculate until the cows come home, the fact is we don't know why he did what he did. I can tell you this, I believe that disipline is lacking these days! My children grew up in a house with guns. They were also made to go through a gun safety course. They were taught to respect us and others as well as the guns. They also knew they would get their butts busted if they didn't. I have seen children that were very well behaved everywhere except home and that is because they were allowed to act however they chose with no consequences! Who knows?



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by guyopitz

Originally posted by Visitor2012
Expect to see more of this as long as parent-slaves remain unawakened, and children, full of energy and life, are plunged deeper into a pointless world, void of love and spiritual intelligence.
edit on 21-1-2011 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)


you nailed it. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I remember when I was 14. Thats 8th grade. I was getting bullied every day. My existence was pure hell. 5 days a week I'd go to school and get teased and beat up and spit on and called a girl or a gay. I'd tell my parents I hated school and that everyone was mean to me and they would just say well kids will be kids, you can't just not go to school.

I can say honestly that at that age if you gave me a loaded gun I would have gone on a mass murder spree too. It's not easy being a 14 year old outcast with no friends and more enemies than you can count. I used to have this fantasy when I was walking in the halls between classes. In my fantasy I had a razor sharp katana and as I passed each person I would visualize swinging the blade through them and watching the two halves of them slide apart in a fountain of gore. I still to this day want to kill those people. In fact If I ever run into one of my old bullies, it's on. I've held this grudge for almost 20 years and I will never forgive them. They made me the monster I am and they deserve to die.


Sounds like your holding onto old scars, you should be looking forward.

I am sure the old students you were with don't care about you, so why do you care about them so much?

If you let go of who you are, you become who you might be.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:12 AM
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When I was 13, I was a bad kid. A bad girl. I wound up in a youth devolopment center, where I met a young man by the name of Kim. He was 12. He had murdered his parents, taken his dog and his dad's truck, went to the ATM and withdrew a few hundred dollars and split the scene. Kim didn't mind talking about it to us, his peers, but we all also knew his official story to the police, that he didn't know who did it, he took off because he was scared he was going to be killed. He was in the center 'for his own protection'. He was very manipulating, calculative, and boastful. He told us he knew he wouldn't get caught, and if he did he was a juvie, they wouldn't lock him away, no way. He also told us he did it because his parents had denied him a ride to the mall.
He appeared to most to be pretty normal on the outside, he was a pool player from hell, he won every game he played, he was the same at playing cards. A straight A student, honor roll, he was very smart. His wealthy parents were trying to instill some values in his spoiled life when this happened, he knew that, but he wasn't mentally stable. We got to see firsthand one day how quickly he could go from charming and likeable to total phsycotic in seconds. He nearly killed a boy at the center, choking him with a pool stick, on the floor. I will never forget the look on his face while he was doing it. Pure lust for what he was doing.
Age is just a number, and we all know that there is plenty of fuel these days for kids fires, they are bombarded with images of murder and mayhem daily, even given the right to simulate all forms of death and murder on video games. This kid said "I don't know', you can bet, because his real reason is incredibly selfish and stupid and he isn't ready to admit it, just like Kim.
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this story you tell is so real Space Cadet, I believe it.

But the story behind this young man from a small Southern town living with
3 older people who is 2 years behind in school and behaves politely does
not correspond to the rich manipulative young sociopath you describe..the
rich kid was a straight A student and had no cognitive deficits. Just moral
ones, and we don't know enough about this 14 year old yet.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:14 AM
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mood stabilizing prescription medication reaps huge benefits for those lucky enough to have been diagnosed whom also have insurance coverage. hopefully they are receiving therapy as well.

the problem is not enough mentally ill people receive the help they so need. believe me. i've lived on both sides of the coin.

people, wage slaves, are mostly clueless to the large amount of people that linger behind in the neighborhood as they drive off to work. "daywalkers" i call them. they will walk long distances to do the most minute of errands, it gives them something to do.

and there are plenty of people who benefit from mental health related medication that are driving cars and in the workplace. the meds are working.

I hope the Big Pharma supply doesn't vanish one day.

A lot of people remark about mental health patients. If you or someone you knew had to deal with mental illness and you dealt with them in your life you would have a different viewpoint. Scary thing about mental difficulties is that we are all a car accident or a trip down the stairs away from first-hand experience.

While I'm soapboxing, raspberries to the many episodes of TV's Law & Order franchise that make mentally ill people out to be dangerous and deadly. Broadcasting such ignorance is shameful.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by guyopitz

Originally posted by Visitor2012
Expect to see more of this as long as parent-slaves remain unawakened, and children, full of energy and life, are plunged deeper into a pointless world, void of love and spiritual intelligence.
edit on 21-1-2011 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)


you nailed it. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I remember when I was 14. Thats 8th grade. I was getting bullied every day. My existence was pure hell. 5 days a week I'd go to school and get teased and beat up and spit on and called a girl or a gay. I'd tell my parents I hated school and that everyone was mean to me and they would just say well kids will be kids, you can't just not go to school.

I can say honestly that at that age if you gave me a loaded gun I would have gone on a mass murder spree too. It's not easy being a 14 year old outcast with no friends and more enemies than you can count. I used to have this fantasy when I was walking in the halls between classes. In my fantasy I had a razor sharp katana and as I passed each person I would visualize swinging the blade through them and watching the two halves of them slide apart in a fountain of gore. I still to this day want to kill those people. In fact If I ever run into one of my old bullies, it's on. I've held this grudge for almost 20 years and I will never forgive them. They made me the monster I am and they deserve to die.


I believe the Columbine kids who committed those attrocities were bullied and not thought of highly by the other students. They probably needed therapy or somebody to intervene. Everybody has a snapping point after a certain amount of abuse. Not justifying their motives, but saying perhaps there was a way to prevent this massacre.
Some people commit suicide, some people will re direct their anger some how, and in some rare cases these horrible circumstances can happen.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Welcome to the human race. The best you can hope is a long-term resistance to such people. Until they cure insanity (which is virtually impossible), your only other cure is killing the insane, which is cruel and inhuman.

To be human is to be part of a vicious cycle. The dream of peace is just that. A dream.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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My close relatives were from the South. No matter how bad a family member acted, no one outside the family was told anything about it. Things were just "not mentioned" except to eachother, on the 'inside'. It was called 'not showing our underwear."

Not just South, but many small town/country kids all over the USA (and the South has a history of hunting) hunt from childhood with their fathers and uncles; but most of us live in towns or cities so we do not know this nor have we participated in blood sport. The few hunters I knew growing up (I never accompanied them) ate the game they killed. There was nothing shameful about this; in a way, it is a lesson in surviving. This was not casting aspersions.

I'm also wondering what the policeman meant by that cryptic statement about being called out to be IN or ARound the house of the family several times? I don't want to jump to conclusions so I am not making suppositions.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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Mentall illness. schizophrenia usually starts at late teens or throughout 20's however, it could trigger that early also.
So the truth is he could have had brief episodes where no one noticed or no one was arround.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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Welcome to the human race. The best you can hope is a long-term resistance to such people. Until they cure insanity (which is virtually impossible), your only other cure is killing the insane, which is cruel and inhuman.

To be human is to be part of a vicious cycle. The dream of peace is just that. A dream.


Theres always an inspiring story which turns up every now and again. Like this guy called Mohammed Bouazizi who inspired the people of Tunisia to over throw a government. He woke everybody up from their mass day dream and people started to take action against the corrupt government.

news.yahoo.com...
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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:32 AM
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Sorry dude, let's get realistic: your bullies are not responsible for your character these days. Sure, little kids are totally cruel sometimes...but it is fallacious (and downright pathetic) to blame the tauting of your peers for your 'monstrous' disposition these days (yes, I'm laughing). I have felt your pain (until I grew up) as I was taunted and ridiculed throughout my academic career. I abhor public education systems as I think that they are designed to foster subservience and the 'consumer herd-mentality', but children do taunt one-another (IN ALL PLACES OF THE EARTH), and one would be committing a fallacy of false cause oversimplification if one was to blame the misgivings of public education for one's character 20 years removed. I suggest you use your brain to build a bridge, get the f*ck over it and take responsibility for your character and your behavior, lest you continue to play the fool and behave as though you are still hung up by trivial preteen bullsh!t from 20 years ago.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Like I said. The best you can hope for is the good to overshadow the bad. That won't cure the bad though.



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