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Topic started on 21-1-2011 @ 08:42 AM by IamAbeliever

It appears that in 45 B.C.E., Julius Caesar decided to change from the Roman year to the Julian year, making a calendar year 365 1/4 days long. He then determined that the Roman year was misaligned with the solar year by 80 days, and thus added those 80 days to the calendar. 45 B.C.E became 445 days long and was known as the "year of confusion".

Then, in 1582, Pope Gregory XIII determined that the Julian calendar overestimated our calendar year by 10 minutes 48 seconds annually. He amended the calendar year and made it 365 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes, 12 seconds. This became known as the Gregorian calendar. Further, he removed a full 10 days, October 5-14, 1582, to account for the calendars' drift.

Most Catholic countries accepted the new Gregorian calendar from 1582-1584.

Great Britain, and the American colonies, did not accept the Gregorian calendar until 1752. British Parliament, however, eliminated 11 days, September 3-13, 1752, to realign the old calendar (Julian) with the Gregorian calendar.

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Could the adding and removing of calendar days throughout history have an effect on the Mayan prophecy for December 21, 2012 ?

reply posted on 21-1-2011 @ 09:28 AM by stereologist

reply to post by IamAbeliever

There are no Mayan prophecies associated with the end of the long count calendar.

What you are asking here is whether or not changes to the Julian calendar affect the correlation between the Mayan long count and the Gregorian calendars. The answer is no. The correlations are not based on starting points, but rather on matching later dates.

Consider either the Hebrew or Chinese calendars. You can match up these calendars with the Gregorian calendar by determining what date it is today on each of the calendars. Knowing one date that matches up makes it possible to know how other dates match up. Simply count dates forward or backward from the one matched day.

reply posted on 21-1-2011 @ 05:26 PM by daggyz

The Mayan stuff as rubbish by the fact that they failed to predict their own demise. How can anyone of credibility predict the end of the world but not their own end earlier. And to be sure, they did not predict the end of the world, they stated a date as the end of their calander like 2000 was the end of the previous millenium for us, and boy didn't the freaks come out about y2k then! dates come and go, freaks stay with us.

reply posted on 22-1-2011 @ 08:26 AM by theRhenn

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by IamAbeliever

There are no Mayan prophecies associated with the end of the long count calendar.

All the sources I have seen say otherwise. Could you provide more information that this statement is true? The mayan and the hopi did not "prophecy" doom, but their belief system does show that they believed this be a time of a femanin transition. A lifting of a veil. The doom and gloom part of it can be seen as a dire end, but the last of the message was lost to time.

reply posted on 22-1-2011 @ 08:31 AM by theRhenn

Originally posted by daggyz
The Mayan stuff as rubbish by the fact that they failed to predict their own demise. How can anyone of credibility predict the end of the world but not their own end earlier. And to be sure, they did not predict the end of the world, they stated a date as the end of their calander like 2000 was the end of the previous millenium for us, and boy didn't the freaks come out about y2k then! dates come and go, freaks stay with us.

Who said they didnt know their time was comming? As far as I am aware, the mayan still live today. Their belief system merges their own, ages past religion, with christianity. They see how both coexist with one another. As a people, strangely enough, though supposedly secluded from the rest of the known world, they seem to have "sprung up" around the same time most other civilizations came to be. Oddly enough still, right around just after the time that many say the great flood took place.

Priest today can tell us how to live in salvation or what have you, but the people do not have to listen. Take your view for example. To you, it is rubbish, but to these people that may have predicted something dire some many years away, the issue was very real. If they predicted something dire at some far off time, then their own people falling away from that would probably fullfill it's own predictions. They did fall, after all.

reply posted on 22-1-2011 @ 11:05 AM by stereologist

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I have looked extensively for any predictions associated with the Mayan long count calendar - nothing at all. That has not stopped hoaxers with New Age roots from constructing their own claims.

it's really not my burden to demonstrate that a claim is false. I was responding to someone making a claim. It's their burden to show even one prophecy form the Mayans.

Since I doubt the supporters of this claim of Mayan predictions associated with the long count calendar will make any effort I'll do it.

Mesoamerican Long Count calendar

Despite the publicity generated by the 2012 date, Susan Milbrath, curator of Latin American Art and Archaeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History, stated that "We have no record or knowledge that [the Maya] would think the world would come to an end" in 2012.[32] "For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Florida. To render December 21, 2012, as a doomsday event or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."

reply posted on 22-1-2011 @ 11:09 AM by stereologist

reply to post by theRhenn

There are claims of a global flood. There is no evidence for such an event. The rise of the Mayans was well after the rise of civilizations in the Middle East. The Mayans were not the first civilization. They borrowed heavily from the Olmecs. One of the problems with a global flood is that there is evidence of people living across all times ever proposed for the flood. In other words pick a date for the flood. You'll be able to find a place where there was a town continuously inhabited across that time. That makes a global disaster impossible.

reply posted on 22-1-2011 @ 11:31 AM by St Udio

NO, the end (of long count calendar) date will be exactly when the winter solstice sun
rises at the exact point of the 'World Tree' found within the Galaxy center 'Dark Rift'

(the 'dark rift' area has been within this window since 1982-2016 by most astronomical figuring)

so its not the year so much as the Astronomical alignment event that marks the end
of the +5million day long-count

as far as forecasts, predictions etc

look up the Maya codices
also look up the Chilam Balam

the supposed only remaining relic of Maya prophecy
('devils work' to the Papal Church & Spanish missionaries)
was almost miraciously spared duning the Firebombing of Dresden, Germany by the Allies in WWII

the codex is only partially complete, the end-times dire prophecies are only guesses
I do have a vague memory that the end of the current long count also terminates a 5 age cycle
and that the dark-wind & fire will be the vehicle for this age end climax.
...its a irony that the Muslims also have a poison or dark-wind theme at this global armageddon
catastrophe that is thought to be just around the corner

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reply posted on 5-2-2011 @ 12:24 AM by ruffagii

Originally posted by daggyz
The Mayan stuff as rubbish by the fact that they failed to predict their own demise. How can anyone of credibility predict the end of the world but not their own end earlier. And to be sure, they did not predict the end of the world, they stated a date as the end of their calander like 2000 was the end of the previous millenium for us, and boy didn't the freaks come out about y2k then! dates come and go, freaks stay with us.

their end was not global, world end is a global and astrological event, hence, possibly predictable by cycles of the galactic activities, so there you just showed how ignorant and close-minded you are, ciao

reply posted on 5-2-2011 @ 01:32 AM by dethduck

www.2012hoax.org...
Spend some time there.
Everything thier has sources linked and explanations of how and why whatever topic was derived at.
There is no Mayan prophecy, there never was. No lost ancient Mayan wisdom knowledge. No end of the world. Simply the end of a calendar rotation. That's all. Hell, they didn't even create most of the system they use in their calendar just the long count round. The other two rounds were borrowed from the Olmecs, same as the Incas did.

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