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Where did Airplane Wreckage used to Convict Moussaoui Come From?

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posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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This logical fallacy again? Did the defense have a forensic analyst go over all those photos, or did they just assume the photo were all legit, because why would they think otherwise? I mean they all thought there was a plane crash there, right?


The defense reserves the right to challenge anything submitted by the prosecution into evidence. They chose not to, realizing the futility of challenging the authenticity of the photos.




posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Peadophiles rape children and they think they are doing something right. Wake up old man.


Nice. No wonder why so many are drawn to your search for the truth.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Cassius666
So were any pieces of identification amiss with the wreckage, such as numbers on the aiframe used to identify it, or not?


Not aware that they needed to check numbers to identify the aircraft. I mean its not like the wreckage was found years later deep in the woods. It was tracked by radar to the site, the data recorders, found at the site, confirmed what was the known flight path of Flight 93, they identified the human remains of the crew and last known passengers, and identified the personal effects of the passenger and crew found at the site.

In that context, checking part numbers is just kind of ludicrous.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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ppl like you make me sick

Thank you. I must be doing something right.

the government horrifically killing its own ppl for greed and illegal wars couldnt be further away from a fantasy

So then it must be true, correct? Then please present evidence to support your thesis. Not questions, not disbelief, not incredulity but direct, concrete evidence that can be submitted in a court of law.

its uncomprehendable but unfortunatley were faced with too much evidence that supports the above and we cant just bury our heads in the ground because its too horrible to take in, WE WANT TO NOW THE TRUTH and your government hasnt been telling you the truth

So where is this evidence? Names, dates, actions, etc.

how it is up to one individual on an internet forum to prove 9/11 was an iside job??

Hey, its your fantasy. Not mine.

it was your governments job to do a proper indepth forensic unbiased investigation including ppl with out conflict of interest

They did, you just don't like the results. That does not constitute evidence.

so unfortunatley your fantasy of the os will remain because of ppl like you who are brain washed

Yep, that's it. We're all brain washed and your the only clear thinker.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 05:07 PM
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Have you any evidence that Moussaoui was ever water-boarded ?



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Furthermore, doesn't it seem odd that in 2002 Moussaoui refused to plead guilty and said that he wanted to speak in front of Congress in order to expose the truth, that he "had a secret which would be exculpatory for him"?

Before being placed in US custody:

Moussaoui seeks Congress appearance


The only man charged in connection with the 11 September attacks has asked to testify before the US Congress.

Zacarias Moussaoui claims that he, and the suspected hijackers, were under surveillance by the FBI before September, and that the US intelligence agencies allowed the attacks to happen.


Text of Moussaoui Hearing


THE DEFENDANT: So I will not say it now, but I have information, secret information, if you wanted to say, that are exculpatory for me.

After being in US custody:

Moussaoui Tries To Enter Guilty Plea


The dramatic developments erupted 29 minutes into a routine hearing scheduled for him to enter a plea to a third version of the federal indictment that spelled out the aggravating circumstances in his alleged crimes that would enable prosecutors to seek the death penalty.

"I, Zacarias Moussaoui, in the interests to preserve my life, enter with full conscience a plea of guilty because I have knowledge and I participated in al-Qaeda," Moussaoui told the packed courtroom. "I am a member of al-Qaeda. I pledge bayat [allegiance] to Osama bin Laden."

Moussaoui claimed he had "certain knowledge" about the Sept. 11 attacks, including when the decision was made to attack, who participated and who actually carried it out. He said he had been a member of al-Qaeda and had information about other plans to commit terrorism, adding: "I have many, many information to give to the American people about an existing conspiracy."


Quite the about face. From denial and desire to expose a government plot to complete guilt and full culpability...

I'll let fellow ATS members theorize as to why the drastic change.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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Slat control system from Boeing 767 -200 on street outside WTC

There is only per aircraft

More fragments from WTC

americanhistory.si.edu...



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere


Quite the about face. From denial and desire to expose a government plot to complete guilt and full culpability...

I'll let fellow ATS members theorize as to why the drastic change.




A defense psychologist testified that Zacarias Moussaoui is a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions. That could be part of it.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Whoops - forgot picture





posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by okbmd
 


If you say so...
I'm just calling it how it is..
If that's the scenario you get from the facts then so be it


So, I'm pretty sure impressme has lied before. So he maybe lying too right now with this OP. What do you think? Maybe the TM is also lying? They've lied before! Hell I even caught quite a few of their lies before. Makes me wonder if they lie a lot.

So what is your point? The govt lies. So does the TM. You lie, I lie, we all lie. ergo, dont trust anyone on anything, because everybody lies! There we go, problem solved.
edit on 1/21/2011 by GenRadek because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
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People keep pointing out Moussaoui confessed.
Well who wouldn't when they were forced to wear one of these things during a trial?
They waterboarded him until he was too broken to resist, then made him sign a confession, and had him wear a stun belt in court. That's American justice for you.


(REACT) Remote Electronically Activated Technology Stun Belt

"Inmate Notification Of Custody Control Belt Use"

You are hereby advised that you are being required to wear an electronic restraint belt. This belt discharges 50,000 volts of electricity. By means of a remote transmitter, an attending officer has the ability to activate the stun package attached to the belt, thereby causing the following results to take place:
1. Immobization causing you to fall to the ground.
2. Possibility of self-defecation.
3. Possibility of self-urination.

FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE OFFICER DIRECTIONS COULD LEAD TO ANY OF THE ABOVE.*

The belt could be activated under the following actions on your behalf and notification is hereby made:
A. Any tampering with the belt.
B. Failure to comply with staff's verbal order to halt movement of your person.
C. Any attempt to escape custody.
D. Any attempt to inflict serious bodily harm on another person.
E. Any loss of visual contact by the officer in charge.

I UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE INFORMATION AND ACKNOWLEDGE BEING ADVISED OF THE SAME.

signature ______________________


The above form was taken from Bureau of Prisons (BOP) policy statement # P.S. 5558.10, dated Sept. 30, 1994.


This is not uncommon in American Courtrooms, especially high-profile trials such as this. He did not confess in open court, he confessed in many different avenues. See the links I posted earlier.

PS. The purpose of the belt is to prevent escape and violence towards the people in the courtroom. Which, Moussoi did on numerous occasions.

Again, see the links I posted above.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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yeah we found their passports but don't ask us about the specially designed black boxes that were no where to be found it has smelt fishy the day they said thats how it happened.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Just because the FBI turned over some photos of some airplane debris in United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui trial doesn’t mean it was proof the wreckage came from the crashed planes.

Can you show from the Zacharias Moussaoui trial where the FBI submitted serial numbers from the alleged wreckage to validate they belong to crash?

I can prove the photos of alleged airplane wreckage were not investigated.



F.B.I. Counsel: No Records Available Revealing ID Process Of Recovered 9/11 Plane Wreckage


pilotsfor911truth.org...

Have the debunkers proved the wreckage ID process was done and used in the Moussaoui trial? No.

This is what the topic is about.

So I will consider the facts, that the photos in question were just that.
Had the government did its job in the first place and followed the regular procedures in plane crash investigation then we would have the facts and evidence, and no one would be asking questions about the burden of proof .
What evidence does prove is procedures and standard protocols from the FBI and other government agencies were not followed during the events of 911 and all the alleged investigations after 911.

Evidence the government used to convict Zacharias Moussaoui such as the alleged photos exhibiting wreckage from alleged crash scene could have been photographs of anything taken anywhere in the world.
Who is going to question the FBI? Apparently Zacharias Moussaoui lawyers didn’t. The evidence was accepted to the court as valid, because the government said so. The photos in question are as ridiculous as the hijackers ID found on top of millions of tons of WTC debris of ash, soot, concrete dust, and let’s not forget millions of pieces of paper blowing in the dust. In my opinion, this reeks of a false flag, and the evidence proves government cover-up.

For those of you who feel attacking my character by “ad hominem attacks” and calling me a liar, knock yourselves out, none of you will stop any of us from discussion the OP topics. This only shows how desperate some of you debunkers are in trying to derail the given topic.
edit on 21-1-2011 by impressme because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Realization that his attempted insanity defense was not going to work? Realization that, pleading guilty for his actions/plans might ensure that he could possibly walk out of prison many years from now....rather than dying inside of one?



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Why, that looks like a boeing part identifier......nah, that cant be. Because we all know that there werent any airplanes.......



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by hooper
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ppl like you make me sick

Thank you. I must be doing something right.

the government horrifically killing its own ppl for greed and illegal wars couldnt be further away from a fantasy

So then it must be true, correct? Then please present evidence to support your thesis. Not questions, not disbelief, not incredulity but direct, concrete evidence that can be submitted in a court of law.

its uncomprehendable but unfortunatley were faced with too much evidence that supports the above and we cant just bury our heads in the ground because its too horrible to take in, WE WANT TO NOW THE TRUTH and your government hasnt been telling you the truth

So where is this evidence? Names, dates, actions, etc.

how it is up to one individual on an internet forum to prove 9/11 was an iside job??

Hey, its your fantasy. Not mine.

it was your governments job to do a proper indepth forensic unbiased investigation including ppl with out conflict of interest

They did, you just don't like the results. That does not constitute evidence.

so unfortunatley your fantasy of the os will remain because of ppl like you who are brain washed

Yep, that's it. We're all brain washed and your the only clear thinker.
members of the 9/11 commission came out to say it was a joke and the government are goin out there way to hide info from the public

like i said its not a fantasy at all its a nitemare

im not going to post any evidence for you as your mind is already made up and all you need to do is is read the threads on this site

why are you on here if your satisfied with whats happened? please dont tell me its to help us hahah



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by kaya82
members of the 9/11 commission came out to say it was a joke and the government are goin out there way to hide info from the public


Citation Needed. (Hint: The 9/11 Commissioners said later AFTER the investigation that they were satisfied that they got the truth)


Originally posted by kaya82
like i said its not a fantasy at all its a nitemare


Ok.


Originally posted by kaya82
im not going to post any evidence for you as your mind is already made up and all you need to do is is read the threads on this site


So, as opposed to backing up your claim, you're just going to run away?



Originally posted by kaya82
why are you on here if your satisfied with whats happened? please dont tell me its to help us hahah


Maybe he is here for the cookies and milk.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by FDNY343

Originally posted by kaya82
members of the 9/11 commission came out to say it was a joke and the government are goin out there way to hide info from the public


Citation Needed. (Hint: The 9/11 Commissioners said later AFTER the investigation that they were satisfied that they got the truth)


Originally posted by kaya82
like i said its not a fantasy at all its a nitemare


Ok.


Originally posted by kaya82
im not going to post any evidence for you as your mind is already made up and all you need to do is is read the threads on this site


So, as opposed to backing up your claim, you're just going to run away?



Originally posted by kaya82
why are you on here if your satisfied with whats happened? please dont tell me its to help us hahah


Maybe he is here for the cookies and milk.
im not gunna play silly games with you so no im not going to cite any thing as its all been cited on various threads on this site which youv chosen to ignore

its obvious your not on this site to find the truth as you admitted in another thread you enjoy coming on here to debate with other truthers, i find that disturbing

cookies and milk? how old are you??



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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members of the 9/11 commission came out to say it was a joke and the government are goin out there way to hide info from the public


Which 9/11 commission members might that be ?

My neighbor, a nice old lady, her son-in-law was one of the counsel to the commission, he is a former federal
prosecutator in NJ. His two brothers-in-law worked for Cantor Fitzgerald , both died in the North Tower. It was
personal for him...



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by kaya82
im not gunna play silly games with you so no im not going to cite any thing as its all been cited on various threads on this site which youv chosen to ignore


Is there a specific thread you want me to look at? Im sorry, YOU make the claim, YOU back it up. The burden of proof is on you, not anyone else.


Originally posted by kaya82
its obvious your not on this site to find the truth


Not if the truth entails implicating hundreds of innocent people that have nothing to do with it, no. I don't like your version of the truth. It's to......non-factual.


Originally posted by kaya82
as you admitted in another thread you enjoy coming on here to debate with other truthers, i find that disturbing


You know what I find disturbing? The idiot behind the VIcSims report. That is what I find disturbing.


Originally posted by kaya82
cookies and milk? how old are you??


Old enough to use capital letters and proper punctuation. Thanks for asking.




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