Mission Creep : Agenda of An Alleged "New World Order" and Those Doing Their Bidding [WRAP]

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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Anyone prior military, a conspiracy theorist, or Tom Clancy fan knows the term "Mission Creep".


Quote from : Wikipedia : Mission Creep

Mission creep is the expansion of a project or mission beyond its original goals, often after initial successes.

The term often implies a certain disapproval of newly adopted goals by the user of the term.

Mission creep is usually considered undesirable due to the dangerous path of each success breeding more ambitious attempts, only stopping when a final, often catastrophic, failure occurs.

The term was originally applied exclusively to military operations, but has recently been applied to many different fields.


The above definition from Wikipedia is for those of you on ATS as well as any lurkers who do not know as well as to put the context of this thread in the What Really Amps People writing contest readers and writers "into the know" about something that absolutely keys me up and drives me batty.

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Some of you know me, of this I am sure, some of you have yet to have gotten to know me, of this I am sure, for those of you who do know your patience is appreciated, and for those who do not this is a warning that this is going to be a long-winded and detail oriented thread about the original topic through my title's topic, as well as a few observations I have delved into over my lifespan of an alleged "New World Order", something it took me 20 years of exploring to figure out is a complete house of cards and a lie that has been fabricated in such a way so as to make you, the conspiracy theorist assist in creating and spinning more and more lies, discredit yourself to friends and family, and as well to make us as free citizens create from the ground floor up by nothing more than the secreted rumors of a few elite families and cabal members playing on your human emotions through "Chinese Whispers", a childhood games of whispers and twisted rumors that happen because of humankind's inability to spread the truth without consciously thinking about stopping misinformation.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Chinese Whispers

In the game variously known as Chinese whispers, Telephone, Grapevine, Broken Telephone, Whisper Down the Lane, Gossip, Le téléphone arabe (French for "Arab Phone"),[citation needed] Stille Post (German for "Silent Post"), Gioco del Telefono (Italian for "Telephone Game"), Telefone sem fio (Portuguese for "Cordless Phone") and Pass the Message, the first player whispers a phrase or sentence to the next player.

Each player successively whispers what that player believes he or she heard to the next.

The last player announces the statement to the entire group.

Errors typically accumulate in the retellings, so the statement announced by the last player differs significantly, and often amusingly, from the one uttered by the first.

The game is often played by children as a party game or in the playground.

It is often invoked as a metaphor for cumulative error, especially the inaccuracies as rumours or gossip spread, or, more generally, for the unreliability of human recollection.

In the United States, "Telephone" is the most common name for the game.

The name "Chinese whispers" reflects the former stereotype in Europe of the Chinese language as being incomprehensible.

It is little-used in the United States and may be considered offensive.

However, it remains the common British English name for the game.


I tell you it took me 20 years to figure this out and some of you may be shocked while others of you have heard this before.

It only took me 20 years because I started seeking out the alleged "New World Order" at the age of 6 years old.

Over my tenure here on ATS since 2005 I have written many threads speaking on this devlish game.

Today as of this writing I am at the young age of 37 years old, a conspiracy theorist, for 31 years.

My first "mission", you might call it, was given to me, by none other than my stepfather when I was 6 years old.

This man, a retired Marine, from the Vietnam era, saw in me as his stepson a rebellious little turd.

A boy determined to destroy him no matter what for taking his father away from him and keeping him from his father, at least that was my perception back then, as a child of 6 years old, not at that time understanding the complexities of a father who chose to crawl into the bottom of a bottle of booze as an alcoholic, and who chose to drink and drive (before any laws were passed making this illegal), wrecking four of my mother's cars before she finally had had enough and finally ended up divorcing that bastard. A boy of 6 years old who did not comprehend just how dangerous his father was for threatening to kill the Florida Judge who denied him custody or visitation and then later pulled a gun on an Illinois Law Enforcement Officer in a one-horse town where Grandpa and Grandma lived, the old folks betraying mom's trust and giving out address after address and phone numbers because they loved the lying city-slicker who their child, my mom divorced, to keep betraying our families safety due to their ignorances, putting my life in jeopardy constantly due to the threat of kidnapping a regular basis by a father obsessed with getting his son back by any possible means.

I tell you all of this, some of it again, and I bet it makes you wonder what the Hell this has to do with my calling a secret cabal of World Government and power hungry men and women "alleged", but I have to tell you this in order to lay the groundwork for my story to mesh with that of finding out the exact truth of what has been going since before more of you as conspiracy theorist's were born, way back prior to WWII, possibly even as far back as WWI, a lie which was spread to creat something of a magnitude that makes people wake up in a cold sweat imagining hearing the black helicopters landing nearby.

An obssession can be a powerful thing, especially when it takes over your life, it becomes the bastard simple "Mission Creep".

At least to an extent.

It did for my biological father, his "mission creep", his obsession, made him a hated man.

The obsession for my stepfather was for the safety of our family, my mother, my younger brother, and myself.

And through that my obsession became in learning through happenstance from a man I once hated.

My stepfather taught me the Art of War, the Hegelian Dialectic, self-defense, military discipline, policy, procedure, and protocol at the age of 6 because he saw the burning hatred welling up in me and needed to not only keep me at bay as a dangerous child, but to teach me the honor of chasing dreams, finding and seeking the truth, but as well he taught me how to keep our family safe through learning of staging coups, of counter-coups, strategic planning, and finding out if "ghosts" are real.

When I refer to ghosts above I am not speaking of the ethereal afterlife haunting of some dead man or woman conjured up by a fortuneteller, but quite eerily similar to the way Houdini grew up into debunking those same liars preying upon the mourning families.

I am referring to those ghost, a specter if you will, of an alleged monstrosity some call the "New World Order".

My stepfather saw he needed to give me something else as a distraction so I would not stage a coup.

Against him.

He began teaching me of the "New World Order" as a means to make me think like a detective.

I was taught how to spot the "Dirty Cop", the lies politicians tell, and to read between the lines in history.

I was as well taught there was a massive conspiracy underway to subvert the majorty of America.

As well as the rest of the world and that it was both in the hands of our own Government, America, but alas as well in the hands of the allegedly benevolent World Government, now called the United Nations, formerly names the League of Nations, something that had sinister intentions written throughout it just by the very name coming across as a cabal which creeped the Hell out citizens throughout the world, forcing it to change the less offensive and more benign sounding name it currently resides in within the International Community in several key locations and strategic spots across the globe.

I mention hating my stepfather and that was once true but due to time, lessons, and behavior I learned to trust the man, love him, and even respect him for what he did, he forced me not only to come to grips with reality that he was here to stay but that my biological father had nothing good to offer, just as much as the World Government has nothing good to offer, they take, take some more, and when you think they are done taking, they again demand much more than we should be willing to give just like an alcoholic father who demanded more love than he deserved who wanted people to allow him to live in denial of what he had become.

A nuisance, a danger to his family, and as well a monster lurking in the dark shadows like a boogeyman.

You see it took me 20 years of chasing shadows, watching the dark corners for a father trying to kidnap me, delving into the darkness head and or feet first with only a flashlight, a baseball bat, and a thirst for knowledge, and skills taught to me by a man who loved me no matter what even though he knew I hated every ounce of his being due to him doing what he did best, protecting his family, that what was once my own "Mission Creep" turned from my chasing my tail trying to find this alleged monster, that of the "New World Order", into not only curbing my own anger and resentment towards him but into a decisiveness towards not brooking stupidity, ignorance, or dishonor from people who would allow themselves to be lied to.

I cannot condone stupidity, ignorance, or dishonor, it goes against my every instinct.

This is why I cannot allow this agenda to be furthered by men and women who would whisper lies to you.

The term "New World Order" is nothing but a misnomer, a nomenclature, a host of lies, if you will.

The name itself was created as a means of making you chase your tail like I did.

The difference between you and I in this regard?

Well, the person who told me about it, his intent, and what he hoped to get out of it, of course.

That is where it differs from you and I in that my stepfather wanted me to learn, learn some more, and keeping learning, not only to become an intelligent man, but to make my own choices, to stand my ground, and to know where my limits lie within this lifespan.

And I must say I have learned them quite well.

The reason I know there is no such thing as the cabal called the "New World Order" is quite simple.

It was developed as a means to make us as free-thinking individuals to trap ourselves.

Through grey propaganda it was designed, the keywords, "New World Order" to keep us guessing.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Propaganda : Types :
White, Black and Grey Propaganda


Propaganda can be classified according to the source and nature of the message.

White propaganda generally comes from an openly identified source, and is characterized by gentler methods of persuasion, such as standard public relations techniques and one-sided presentation of an argument.

Black propaganda is identified as being from one source, but is in fact from another.

This is most commonly to disguise the true origins of the propaganda, be it from an enemy country or from an organization with a negative public image.

Grey propaganda is propaganda without any identifiable source or author.

A major application of grey propaganda is making enemies believe falsehoods using straw arguments: As phase one, to make someone believe "A", one releases as grey propaganda "B", the opposite of "A".

In phase two, "B" is discredited using some strawman.

The enemy will then assume "A" to be true.


In scale, these different types of propaganda can also be defined by the potential of true and correct information to compete with the propaganda.

For example, opposition to white propaganda is often readily found and may slightly discredit the propaganda source.

Opposition to grey propaganda, when revealed (often by an inside source), may create some level of public outcry.

Opposition to black propaganda is often unavailable and may be dangerous to reveal, because public cognizance of black propaganda tactics and sources would undermine or backfire the very campaign the black propagandist supported.

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You see I am telling you this because you have been duped.

There is no such thing as the "New World Order" and there never has been.

It was a carefully calculated hoax designed in order to make you see something which was not there.

Like your parents teaching you of the boogeyman to get you to go to bed and stay in bed.

At the age of 6 years old I was ready with a baseball bat for that boogeyman to come.

Through that plus the experiences I have learned it has thus come to me in the conclusion about 11 years ago that far too many people have bought into the lies sold to them about the boogeyman that is the "New World Order", not that there are not machinations of the World Government as well as the American Federal Government and State Government, I assure you there are, but that the device used to stir your anxiety is nothing more than a stage prop designed to agitate you like a simpleton who has a younger brother putting his finger one inch from your face when he was told not to touch you in order to agitate you into getting yourself into trouble for taking a swing at him for being in your personal space.

And you are the one caught not him.

This is the simplest of ways to explain the nuisance that is the agenda of these bastards.

Nothing more than a mere shell game, Three-Card Monte, an illusion.

The Old Shell Game


It is as well explained through a few more concepts I will share with you before I close out this entry.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Overton Window

The Overton window, in political theory, describes a "window" in the range of public reactions to ideas in public discourse, in a spectrum of all possible options on a particular issue.

It is named after its originator, Joseph P. Overton, former vice president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.


While I am certainly not supporting Glenn Beck he has a book of the same title.

He as well as Mr. Overton borrowed the concept.

Which is much older.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Dialectic : Hegelian Dialectic

Hegelian dialectic, usually presented in a three-fold manner, was stated by Heinrich Moritz Chalybäus as comprising three dialectical stages of development: a thesis, giving rise to its reaction, an antithesis, which contradicts or negates the thesis, and the tension between the two being resolved by means of a synthesis.

Although this model is often named after Hegel, he himself never used that specific formulation.

Hegel ascribed that terminology to Kant.

Carrying on Kant's work, Fichte greatly elaborated on the synthesis model, and popularized it.

On the other hand, Hegel did use a three-valued logical model that is very similar to the antithesis model, but Hegel's most usual terms were: Abstract-Negative-Concrete.

Sometimes Hegel would use the terms, Immediate-Mediated-Concrete.

Hegel used these terms hundreds of times throughout his works.

The formula, Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis, does not explain why the Thesis requires an Antithesis.

However, the formula, Abstract-Negative-Concrete, suggests a flaw in any initial thesis—it is too abstract and lacks the negative of trial, error and experience.

The same applies to the formula, Immediate-Mediated-Concrete.

For Hegel, the Concrete, the Synthesis, the Absolute, must always pass through the phase of the Negative, that is, Mediation.

This is the actual essence of what is popularly called Hegelian Dialectics.


Two more short examples and I shall leave you to ponder my thoughts.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Security Theater

Security theater is a term that describes security countermeasures intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to actually improve security.

The term was coined by computer security specialist and writer Bruce Schneier for his book Beyond Fear, but has gained currency in security circles, particularly for describing airport security measures.

It is also used by some experts such as Edward Felten to describe the airport security repercussions due to the September 11 attacks.

Security theater gains importance both by satisfying and exploiting the gap between perceived risk and actual risk.


And my all-time absolute favorite.

The Wizard of Oz: Pay No Attention


That my fine feathered friends, is what amps me up, that people do not see this illusion as easily as I.

Then again I started at the early age of 6 years old.

And I now Government is nothing but a functionary unit designed to perform.

It is who is sitting in the seats of power who are either benevolent or corrupt.

Not the entire system, because the system was created to be used, it is who uses it and abuses it.

Those are the people who we must watch for and watch for how they act.

But each and every time someone talks of picking up guns, of committing acts of violence, and of uncovering the secret agendas it only opens the door more and more to the possibility of actually creating the monster which we as conspiracy theorists loathe, and until you have tamed your own demons within and chased the ghost yourself you will never come to the same conclusions as I have, which is to say it is time to take stock of everything this world is doing and those who are in power, and it is time to take that power back into our hands and away from the bastards using secret machinations through shadow games of lies, half-truths, and Machiavellian plot-twists and know just one thing more.

That you are in control of yourself and not one person can make you create that monster.

If only you know yourself as I know myself and my own abilities just as I know my family motto and crest.

Nosce Te Ipsum





That is Latin for "Know Thyself" in case you did not know.


Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche


Good night Dorothy and you had better click those heels a little harder or wake the Hell up.
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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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S & F



You've brought up some good points.
Bravo, very well written....



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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We all make choices in life and only time is the true judgement on personnel choices ,reality and survival is hard in a world of uncertainty,some live within the boosom of certainty and safety and others are forced to make choices as there are no other options,acceptance,well more like theres nothing left so thats the way it is.
Order,well offcourse theres order if their was`nt then why are people getting their heads smashed in all over the world,to maintain order,paranoia is allways rife in weak minds and those selectively picked on,but really conspiracies don`t exist...mmm what happened to John F kennedy,Robert kennedy,martin luther king,nero,there is a endless list of power mad individuals seeking to conspire what they desire and want,when you have lots of money,or gold you`ll understand,there is no other aphrodisiac,control,manipulation,input verses output,man ...Its good to be in a safe place but there are many living who are not and live in fear everyday.I don`t usually go into conspiracy topics but really history paints a different picture,theres allways something to be gained by others wether its information to denegrade or money to control,to gossip for blackmail,its all there control mechanisms,NWO,mmmm its a big picture for sure.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 01:21 AM
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Thank you.

Never let the "Mission Creep" affect you negatively.

Or else you will go native like some of the soldiers in Vietnam.

And some of those people never came back.

They turned into ghosts haunting the bush and are still out hunting Charlie.

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Of course, perception is a key point, in any mission.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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SKL,

The New World Order is the Old World Order, which is The Order of The Ages.
Novus Ordo Seclorum translates : New Order of the Age

Phrase found on U.S. currency. And its just that in my opinion, just like fiat currency.
Its only the man behind the curtain. And when he sees us with brave hearts bearing the truth,
he cowars!

I really apprecaite your insight, and most of all your responsible character.

We can only hope to control one thing in life, and that is ourselves.




Oh yeah S & F!

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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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That my fine feathered friends, is what amps me up, that people do not see this illusion as easily as I. And I now Government is nothing but a functionary unit designed to perform. It is who is sitting in the seats of power who are either benevolent or corrupt. Not the entire system, because the system was created to be used, it is who uses it and abuses it. Those are the people who we must watch for and watch for how they act.


That is a great way to look at it and puts the onus on us, individual and as a group, to manage our lives in the way we want and to manage those who manage for us, in the way that we intended. There can be no blame-shifting or victim-itis if we understood that we willingly give up our power (in most cases) to those who are meant to govern as we choose. Interesting dilemma.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Thanks for the revealing and well written read about your past, the things that you stand for and your perspective.

We aren't that far apart when it comes to our views on corruptions of institutions which though are sometimes institutions of corruption in their design.

Still the New World Order is in many ways a boogie man, invented by the very same men, who have enjoyed power through a shadow corporate government that has been in power for well over a century.

It would seem to me that one of the favorite tactics in getting people to accept less than ideal things is the promise of worse things to come.

You should love God and obey him but if you don't, well the Devil is going to do something so much worse!

In many ways the notion that these all powerful titans of industry, bankers and royals haven't fully yet corrupted the systems of governance and taken over completely is what of course to a large extent keeps the average person from taking action against them and demanding the government(s) that they have corrupted take action against them.

The premise being that they are just planning this as opposed to the starker reality of they have already done it.

Great story and good luck with the contest!



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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As I stated previously, it is made up just to make us chase our tails, looking for something or someone.

Glimpses of shadows, shadow games, and chasing a ghost which can never be truly caught.

The further you delve into the nonsense the more insane you look to everyone else.

Or you end up doing something incredibly stupid and end up taken down.

Like these people :

Hutaree Viewed Warily by Other Mich. Militia


And I guarantee this is what the Government wants you to do.

It just makes their job easier.

It is as well reminiscent of another group of armed individuals.

Bill Hicks - Waco (Bradley Tank Setting Fire To The Compound)


I remember watching the events of Waco unfold and knowing we were lied to.


Originally posted by LadySkadi
That is a great way to look at it and puts the onus on us, individual and as a group, to manage our lives in the way we want and to manage those who manage for us, in the way that we intended. There can be no blame-shifting or victim-itis if we understood that we willingly give up our power (in most cases) to those who are meant to govern as we choose. Interesting dilemma.


That is quite correct.

The first person to blame is the one looking back in your mirror.

If you are not part of the solution you are a part of the problem.

If you willingly give up the power of control then you deserve the tyranny you have unleashed.

This is not to say picking up guns is the answer, because it is not, but knowing the laws.

And by being personally involved within how they are made through a collective power.

Without just whining, complaining, and bitching about something because talk is cheap.

Talk without direct action to follow it is hollow rhetoric stated to hear yourself talk and nothing more.

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Of course, promising worse things to come, is part and parcel how the Hegelian Dialectic works.

This is the very formula these bastards, jackals, and thieves use to rob us of America.

This is why the concept of a "New World Order" works so well because it is an abstract idea.

A "Government conspiracy" to take away our rights, our nations, and our lives.

What is in fact though is a double-blind con job.

Think of the "New World Order" if you will as the magician's assistant standing there half-naked.

The magician introduces her, she is quite lovely, wearing a shiny dress with seductive lipstick/lipgloss.

The magician tells you he is going to do some fantastic feat like make an elephant disappear.

But over half the audience, both male and female, are attracted to the assistant.

Because of the carnal nature of mankind and our mentality being driven by sexuality.

If you're too stupid to keep watching the assistant because you cannot control your libido?

Of course you will miss the illusion being pulled off right in front of your eyes.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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SKL,

I'm with you to a large extent.

Where I disagree is that the concept "New World Order" was purposefully designed to lure perceived "free-minded" individuals.

It seems much more logical that this is but a means for a traumatized global processing personality to cope with the reality that they have been severely damaged within, and their own inner demons which they have chosen to disown have been projected onto various systems of the world structure, instead of owning these as sections of one's own psyche.

The other disagreement I have is that the overall "machinations" would truly exist at all, if we were to have as much knowledge and insight into the current state of the world, as do those who are steering humanity into both: a control gridded, global system of governance, and a peace-time, technologically advanced, space faring highly evolved species.

It's my ultimate belief, based on the culmination of all my intellect and experience so far, that there is no black and white, and the only truth is ultimately found within. I think what may be perceived as evil is founded in social, cultural, familial, and instinctual influences over time, and that what seems right, just, fair, and good to one, may be perceived as being an absolute abomination, evil, unjust, and entirely unfair to another.

Ultimately, I've chosen to accept that what is happening now, is partly engineered, and partly a natural happening stance of human nature interacting with the whole of nature itself.

I, like you, have seen that what was once this concept of a "New World Order" was actually just projections of insecurities. What I've also done is seen that we are NOT truly in the know, however much we choose to believe we may be. I have made the ultimate decision to allow these harsh transitional phases to transpire, and allow human nature to run it's course. For the best we can do is be wise enough to know that which we can truly change, and to do so; while allowing that which we can't change (human nature) to just be as it is.

S + F
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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Well, to each their own, a trap created to lure free-thinkers, or not, I see a trap nonetheless.

I can see where you're coming from though but I will have to disagree.

To some extent those free-thinkers are meant to be cannon fodder to discredit themselves.

In the overall scheme of things.

No Government, take your pick of which one, is stupid enough to believe their lies will be bought.

Not hook, line, and sinker anyway.

Any Government that naive is just as stupid as those it accuses of being stupid enough to buy their tripe.

While certainly to some degree some free-thinkers live outside of the confines of the "accepted" reality, or "official story" nonsense where no Government can do wrong, that America is completely about apple, baseball, and the "girl-next-door", some of those same "free-thinkers" are cynics who have just had it with being lied to by someone they're supposed to be able to trust in, those who allegedly "represent" their best interests, even knowing full well the duplicitous nature of politics.

An example is the bogus "War on Drugs" and or the same bogus "War on Terror".

While certainly, yes there is an effort being mounted to discard drugs as a invisible albatross around America's necks through institutions/organizations like the Drug Enforcement Administration, the same "mission creep" that hinders their success is paralleled within the hallways of the myopic oracle of the Central Intelligence Agency in her whorish goals and missions of spreading American interests through putting Puppet Dictators and Drug Lords into power like a $2 hooker spreading gonorrhea stifling those same "self-preservation" interests of our own country for nothing than the sacrifice of our countries honor by stabbing our own people in the back.

Those same bastards in power labeling people as "terrorist's" can themselves be called "terrorist's".

Because one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter just as one man's political leader is truly a despot.

I both agree and disagree with your ascertations to an extent about the machinations.

Specifically their not existing due to people not having knowledge and insight.

Personally, people, as a group are lazy as Hell and completely self-centered.

Far too individuals, like yourself, conspiracy theorists, or even myself seek out that information willingly.

Far, far too many people ignorantly wander around, with their heads up their asses.

Too stuck on idiot-box shows like American Idol, Survivor, or Big Brother distracted.

In Ancient Rome it was called bread and circuses and those ignorant folk were a part of the downfall of the Roman Empire.

Their hands held out to see what their Government did with their money through welfare.

Those same savage idiots demanding chariot races, gladiator battles, and Christians before lions.

Today it is not just bread but Food Stamps.

And the circuses show up as the Super Bowl, the World Series, or World Cup Soccer.

I do not believe there is necessarily a "black and white" and truth and lies are subjective to experience.

The "truth" is somewhere in the middle between two idiots fighting over the last turkey leg on a spit.

The majority of the time both sides in a conflict as just as ignorant, just as stupid, and just as ego-driven.

No one is ever truly 100% "in the know" due to their own insights, inability to adapt, or faults.
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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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I never can stop reading your threads when I get started. Always captivating.

My friend, after being here a couple of years, reading between the lines of what is presented as fact or fiction with the MSM and alternative sites like these, I came to the same conclusion. Well sort of....... and you have a part to the sort of part.......your tactics knowledge has helped me connect dots and made me look even deeper into the game of "telephone". Thank you for that.

You stress the point that that the NWO is made up as a psychological battle on the minds of the people, I believe this myself. To what end? Why would any one do this? An Agenda, that's why. To me this is reason enough to assume there are some bad people out there pulling, some strings..

Maybe not to the top of the pyramid, soul stealing, blood sucking cabal that is portrayed. Though I do think some of the players in this chess game are some of these very people that are in Part "A" of the grey propaganda. playing part "B" (NWO) so you will believe part "A" (People with and Agenda) so that they can carry on thier addiction to "wealth" and "power".

Better the devil you know sort of thing.

And their ritualistic ways and traceable lineage only compound the mystery.

Proto made a post that hits the nail.



It would seem to me that one of the favorite tactics in getting people to accept less than ideal things is the promise of worse things to come.


Or sometimes the use the exact opposite tactic. See my post here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think what started as an experiment, the "mission creep" has turned more useful than maybe the original objective, whatever that might have been.

So to me, there is a NWO, its a made up super devil to make you not see the devil you know.

In which, that is just as creepy...........

P.S. - Good luck on the contest, a heavy hitter for sure.
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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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Thank you.

The agenda?

Quite simple in fact.

Subversion of free will and of the human spirit.

We after all are spiritual beings, even if we are unaware, our soul inhabits physical forms.

If the physical form can be imprisoned to do certain functions through subterfuge our spirit is at their command.

Think about the process of conditioning whereas someone's spirit has to be broken.

If we are misled by these bastards into believing we are their slaves, and they can do it with our consent through ignorance, then we are willinginly giving up our greatest weapon, or tool, a weapon is merely a tool to perform a function, our free will to resist something we do not want, which no one would willingly accept if they knew the true intent and agenda.

When a Government plays both Part A and Part B they are double-dealing against your free will.

Playing both the functionary unit which is "salvation" and the other which is the "terrorist" is treason.

I have always believed that and I always will because my will, morals, ethics, beliefs, and thought-patterns are strong.

Stronger than any Government that is for sure.

The Hegelian Dialectic is their formula for creating this negative control over society.

Abstract, negative, concrete.

Most people do not realize freedom, slavery, terrorism, a host of other words, names, and ideas are abstract.

Meaning they do not mean one simple idea, they have many meanings, through different cultures.

This how these predators prey upon the underpinnings of society by utilizing high-minded sounding words during political speeches, appealing to the mass of society, allowing society to define to themselves what freedom, slavery, terrorism mean to them, mixed with some thrown in political rhetoric which assists in defining it according to Government offcials, and then they believe completely different through the conditioning of Secret Societes thinking of society as "cowans".

Cowan, think of it as similar to cattle, or sheeple but not quite and you get the reference.


Quote from : Masonic Dictionary

The origin is unknown, but it may be early Scotch.

It was used of a man who practiced Masonry, usually of the roughest character as in the building of walls, who had not been regularly trained and initiated, corresponding in some sense to "scab" as used by labor unions.

If a man has learned the work by some illegal method he is a cowan.

An "eavesdropper" is one who spies on a Lodge, and may be such without having learned anything about it before.

A "clandestine" is one who has gone through initiation ceremonies but not in a regular Lodge.


A recent example of it being spoken of in a movie with Masonic reference/inferrence.

Johnny Depp - From Hell trailer


Remember the scene where the men reference a "cheap kind of intelligence" within the movie.

In reference to Aberline.

So, in other words, if you were not conditioned within their construct of beliefs, you are beneath them.

What a crock of crap.

They are beneath society as far as I am concerned and are hiding in plain sight as benevolent.

When they are in fact scum-sucking parasites and predators.

Intelligence can be gained through any means, it does not have to fit within a construct of beliefs, nor does it have to flow with society as a whole, providng it does not go towards becoming something wholly evil, corrupt, and or worse than those conditioning it.
edit on 2/6/11 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight Into the Post.



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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I would like to point to the thread below as an example of negative Mission Creep.

BlackPoison94's : Consequences of Terrorist Attacks

I am referring to the ignorance of those people who verbally and ignorantly attacked the original poster.

It is an incident which happened to her in real life.

The Mission Creep is successful propagation of ignorance and spread hatred through society.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Greetings SpartanKing. It looks like you're been around ATS for a while, but since I haven't, forgive any incorrect assumptions I might make as I comment, perhaps inadvertently.

You shared some personal info in your OP that certainly helps explain where you're coming from, and I commend you for sharing as you did (nicely written BTW) but I tend to go with timewalker's sentiment regarding what ends up looking like a shift in semantics.

Of course the NWO has become quite the boogeyman today, but the mere suggestion that such a thing occurred somehow by intention, begs the question of exactly "who's" intention we're talking about here. Which goes right back to timewalker's observation that it would be perhaps just as creepy.

If I'm understanding you right, you have emerged from a former obsession with this mythical NWO, one that grew out of your childhood experiences, and today you believe that you see it for what it is, a thing that was designed to spawn "conspiracy theorists", who chase their tails, with the more dangerous among them finally being identified by the "Government", while incidentally making themselves look foolish along the way. I hope that isn't an unfair characterization, but that's sort of the impression I was left with (again, not knowing you).

And yet, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to focus a bit on the more or less obvious contextual contradiction involved in the denial of one conspiracy, only to assert a perhaps more sinister one in the process. To suggest something as broad as an "Agenda" that seeks to subvert our free will, and our human "spirit", could rank right up there with something like the more traditional NWO, except now with what appears to be a "spiritual" twist.

In other words, you seem to almost be entering the realms of the religious and/or spiritual. I'm probably not quite getting it, but may I ask who you think "these bastards" are? The terms you're using, the select capitalizations, etc., to me they betray a continuing conspiratorial paradigm running in the background, that is decidedly shifting from the materialistic and relatively mundane, to a "bigger picture" that goes beyond the material, into the spiritual.

What is the motive "these bastards" (who are also seemingly "parasites") have for wanting to subvert our free will?

Believe me, I mean no disrespect with these questions, and I consider myself a conspiratoligist as a matter of fact, so I certainly do not use the term as a derisive label of any kind. But I ask because I wonder what the point is, and where the "improvement" (dare I say) lies, with positing an "Agenda", of diabolical proportions, while dismissing the former NWO paradigm as a trick to keep us busy while that proverbial Man Behind the Curtain continues along. Continues "doing", what exactly?

By the way, I also see value in your tactical analysis, bringing in the context of warfare, utilizing the concept of propaganda, in several shades. But rather than us continue to spread more accumulated Chinese Whispers, shouldn't we try and go beyond vague notions that are just as intangible as NWO, or the ever anonymous "PTB", or "the Masons", etc.?

I'm sure there is much more to your present evolved philosophy concerning these matters, but again, since I don't know you, there's more questions, than answers. Perhaps I'm not the only one wondering. And if the answer is that you now see "spiritual warfare" as the bigger picture, then that's fine, it would just be nice to say exactly that, and get it out in the open.

Good luck on your contest. I'll give you my S & F.

JR



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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Congratulations on your win.

I got an honorable mention, I would like to thank you for that. I honed my skills while working with you on many topics.

Hail Sparta!

Sooner than later.

TW



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by timewalker
Congratulations on your win.

I got an honorable mention, I would like to thank you for that. I honed my skills while working with you on many topics.

Hail Sparta!

Sooner than later.

TW


My win?

First time I'm hearing about it.


And I'm glad you got an honorable mention but your story rocked.

You have many skills which assisted me along the way as well.

Thank you so much for that and as well for the early congratulations.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Congratulations, excellent story, glad I am not a judge, I'd want everyone to win.

Looking foward to your next writings.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by JR MacBeth
Greetings SpartanKing. It looks like you're been around ATS for a while, but since I haven't, forgive any incorrect assumptions I might make as I comment, perhaps inadvertently.


That is fine by me.

No offense taken.

Nothing ventured and nothing gained.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
You shared some personal info in your OP that certainly helps explain where you're coming from, and I commend you for sharing as you did (nicely written BTW) but I tend to go with timewalker's sentiment regarding what ends up looking like a shift in semantics.


Everything within this world is based upon perspective.

Once someone knows this the reality of truth and lies becomes both more clear and more muddles.

Meaning those who appear to be telling the truth could be sociopathic liars, like Secret Society members, who gain high political offices, and reap the rewards of other people's ignorances, and those people seen as liars, by people like Government official, as a for instance, conspiracy theorists, could in fact be true based upon their knowledge and or experience.

Which is why this community, the conspiracy theory community, is so fanaticized by Government.

In order to discredit us enmasse.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
Of course the NWO has become quite the boogeyman today, but the mere suggestion that such a thing occurred somehow by intention, begs the question of exactly "who's" intention we're talking about here. Which goes right back to timewalker's observation that it would be perhaps just as creepy.


Yes, I can assure you, it is in fact creepy as Hell.

That anyone would perpetuate this fallacy against their own people is inherently evil.

And for the purposes of control through nothing more complicated then spreading lies.

Letting our fears drive us instead of our own level-headedness.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
If I'm understanding you right, you have emerged from a former obsession with this mythical NWO, one that grew out of your childhood experiences, and today you believe that you see it for what it is, a thing that was designed to spawn "conspiracy theorists", who chase their tails, with the more dangerous among them finally being identified by the "Government", while incidentally making themselves look foolish along the way. I hope that isn't an unfair characterization, but that's sort of the impression I was left with (again, not knowing you).


Of course.

You cannot have a masterplan without the willing scapegoats.

And what better crowd of individuals who will speak out against Government?

Divide and Conquer 101.

In warfare, the hearts and minds of both the people you're protecting, is just as important as those you wish to defeat.

Make those within control demand protection, and make those attacking you doubt themselves, even if from inside their homes.

There was no more relevant demonstration of this than the protestors of the Vietnam War.

A needless war for nothing more than population control and fundraising.

Not to mention drug-smuggling and pushing the then infant War on Drugs as it was born.

It was born in the midst of strife, conflict, and chaos so as to make more of the same as well as more conflict.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
And yet, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to focus a bit on the more or less obvious contextual contradiction involved in the denial of one conspiracy, only to assert a perhaps more sinister one in the process. To suggest something as broad as an "Agenda" that seeks to subvert our free will, and our human "spirit", could rank right up there with something like the more traditional NWO, except now with what appears to be a "spiritual" twist.


But that is just it.

It is an agenda, a multi-faceted one, so simple yet mixed with complexities which can be adapted.

As needed.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
In other words, you seem to almost be entering the realms of the religious and/or spiritual. I'm probably not quite getting it, but may I ask who you think "these bastards" are? The terms you're using, the select capitalizations, etc., to me they betray a continuing conspiratorial paradigm running in the background, that is decidedly shifting from the materialistic and relatively mundane, to a "bigger picture" that goes beyond the material, into the spiritual.


Select capitalizations?

Not sure about that I use proper grammar.

Clarify?

These bastards, well that is where it gets extremely complicated, as it is not one group or another.

It is literally many different groups doing different parts like a terrorist ghost cell.

Just because I conquered the knowledge of a New World Order not existing does not mean there is not more to uncover, conspiracies still happen, each and every day, and they are always running in the background, no matter which is speaking of them.

It is however who puts together what pieces and if we are working together or working against each other.

I am uncertain as to your reference in regards to "spiritual" when you reference it.

Care to clarify?

I do see myself as a physical, mental, and spiritual warrior, I found my trinity, if you will.

Past, present, and future are all intertwined.

Yin and Yang shows a duality through balance but the third aspect is the self in the middle.

There are two "sides" to a coin but a third side, the serrated edge, which can cut you if you do not remember it.

It is a "side" of the coin most people miss and or ignore in the dynamics of life values.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
What is the motive "these bastards" (who are also seemingly "parasites") have for wanting to subvert our free will?


What any person, animal, or insect wants through being a parasite?

Power.

This is what any parasite seeks through feeding upon others and their sustenance.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
Believe me, I mean no disrespect with these questions, and I consider myself a conspiratoligist as a matter of fact, so I certainly do not use the term as a derisive label of any kind. But I ask because I wonder what the point is, and where the "improvement" (dare I say) lies, with positing an "Agenda", of diabolical proportions, while dismissing the former NWO paradigm as a trick to keep us busy while that proverbial Man Behind the Curtain continues along. Continues "doing", what exactly?


No disprespect seen and or intended from you.

I prefer being asked questions.

It makes meaningful dialogue.

I apologize for taking so long to answer but I wanted to think deeply how to reply to clarify what you asked.

As for the N.W.O. paradigm and the Man Behind the Curtain, there are enough people still believing, and as well enough people who never believed out there, and the continuing game of Chinese Whispers scaring the world out there so that the game, a shell game, if you will, will continue to keep flowing, gaining funding, and other sub-agendas so as to make it virtually impossible to ever win.

You only win though if you figure out the game was rigged against you ever winning.

Through not playing the game you win your freedom informing people to watch for the fix.

The fix is in by individuals no more complicated than sideshow carney's in power.

At every level of Government throughout the world.

You can fix their fix by throwing a monkeywrench into the mix by not playing.

And this confuses them and their cohorts.

If enough people have their eyes opened the entire entity of the building power of the New World Order collapses in upon itself, and an entire paradigm is shifted, and anything is possible, anything indeed, because a game of shadows comes to a close.

In Martial Arts you use your opponent's weight and stances against him or her.

Huge Kodiak bear attacks Sir Anthony Hopkins!


Like the above movie clip in Th Edge two men lost in the woods we can defeat the grizzly bear.

The grizzly bear is defenseless against his or her own weight when it bears upon itself.

The moment we stop running from the grizzly bear and place our feet with knowledge as the pike, we kill the beast trying to eat out soul, and gain our lives back, turning instead towards better ambitions and seeking intelligence through gainful means.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
By the way, I also see value in your tactical analysis, bringing in the context of warfare, utilizing the concept of propaganda, in several shades. But rather than us continue to spread more accumulated Chinese Whispers, shouldn't we try and go beyond vague notions that are just as intangible as NWO, or the ever anonymous "PTB", or "the Masons", etc.?


Of course.

The way I say things is specifically designed in inculcate the kind of the questions you're asking me.

So as to clarify, so as to make my statements get challenged, to force the paradigm to right itself.

Essentially said, it is best to make more and less waves, when and how you or I can.

Without more people understanding this is a game being perpetuated we cannot win.


Originally posted by JR MacBeth
I'm sure there is much more to your present evolved philosophy concerning these matters, but again, since I don't know you, there's more questions, than answers. Perhaps I'm not the only one wondering. And if the answer is that you now see "spiritual warfare" as the bigger picture, then that's fine, it would just be nice to say exactly that, and get it out in the open.

Good luck on your contest. I'll give you my S & F.

JR


Feel free to ask any question that comes to mind.

I still see this as much a physical battle as a continuing spiritual battle.

It is however the mental battle we must win.

Without our minds being focused in sync neither the phyiscal or spiritual battles can be won.





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