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Sunni Islamists slit the throat of a Christian mother in Somalia.

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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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So you don't like that source? How about some others then?
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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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I am not, nor have I ever been an appologist for any religion. I was pointing out that in addition to Islam, Christianity had some pretty stupid ass ideas as well that could result in death. The difference being Christians understand its not the 9th century anymore, and killing a person for wearing 2 different fabrics is insane in todays time.

Islam has not caught on to that fact, and still act like its the 9th century.

Please read my posts and understand them before accusing me of being an appologist.

Thanks you



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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While you do not seem to be an apologist for islam, there are certainly many of them here.

Christianity should never have been an excuse to kill anyone. Jesus specifically made a point of that. On a practical note, how can people come to the lord if they are killed? I recognize that I am un-Christian in my views of supporting the death penalty for certain people, most notably pedophiles. I am also not good at "turning the other cheek". I find that turning the other cheek to an enemy just gives him another chance to strike you.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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OK people read into it what you will islamophobia, bigit commi or what ever.


But one point is clear this womans head was loped off because of peaceful islam. My ars

How about religion of peace and tolerance. Hey Mike Moore why don't you go over their and straighten them out over there in said Somalia

These people are sick.

Oh I cannot wait for the day when they meet their maker.




posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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Your argument makes more sense than what you think. You have brought up the major flaw in all religions when it comes to putting people to death for violating "sacred text". People have no issues explaining why someone should be put to death, but thgey cannot answer how it does not violate their own religion.

I was raised Catholic, and I do beleive in God, but I dont agree with the way Catholosim operates. I find it insane that ancient documents that pretty much make women second class citizens is a joke, and further more an affront since it contradicts itself in terms of how people should be treated.

The extent of my religious beliefs is I beleive in God / Higher power. Everytihng else in my opinion is subject to mistranslations / lies what have you. Religion has been at the source of almost every single war in human history.

So much for something that was intended to bind people together. My argument twaords organized religion is you believe what you want, but all religions, and people have the exact same fate - We die.

Since we dont know what happens after that, who cares how another person worships.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by skylightsintheillions


You apparently don't know anything about Islam.
First of all, there is no such thing as "Islamist"
Really?


Islamist [ˈɪzləmɪst]
adj
(Non-Christian Religions / Islam) supporting or advocating Islamic fundamentalism
n
(Non-Christian Religions / Islam) a supporter or advocate of Islamic fundamentalism

The definition was pretty easy to find. Perhaps you would care to reevaluate your statement?


Second of all, the interpretation that "these are what Mohammed's teachings say" is complete crap! Obviously that person has never read the Qu'ran, knows nothing of it, and certainly nothing of that faith.

Al-Shabaab in Somalia support killing apostates and this group is deemed to be a group of Sunni Islamic fanatics.


Harakat al-Shabaab al-Mujahideen (Arabic: حركة الشباب المجاهدين‎; Ḥarakat ash-Shabāb al-Mujāhidīn, Mujahideen Youth Movement or "Movement of Striving Youth"), more commonly known as al-Shabaab (Arabic: الشباب‎, "The Youth" or "The Lads") is a islamist(ooops, we know islamists don't exist, there is "no such thing"
) insurgent group fighting to overthrow the government of Somalia. As of summer 2010 the group is said to control most of the southern and central parts of Somalia, including "a large swath" of the capital, Mogadishu, where it is said to have imposed its own "harsh" form of Sharia law.[5] Estimates of al-Shabaab's strength, as of December 2008, vary between 3,000 to 7,000.


Al-Shabaab Wiki


I am so sorry this woman in Somalia was killed. But let's be wise enough to realize it was the individuals, not the religion which they directly denying. Many can "claim" they are of a religion and working for a certain God, but there actions tell the true story.
Sorry, apologize for them all you like, but this was a group not an individual. This group has instituted sharia law in the area they control, and they proclaim themselves to be islamic jihadists.


I'm sorry this woman's death was turned into an attempt to instill more fear and hatred among people.
The ones doing the instilling are the islamist barbarians murdering people for thought crimes, ie thinking the "wrong" religion is true.
edit on 20-1-2011 by sonofliberty1776 because: To fix a quote



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by seedofchucky
here we go again more islamaphobia ignorant propaganda . These people who commit these acts are not muslim they only use the religion to rationalize there actions.


BINGO.. that's what religious people do, ALL THE FREAKING TIME, that doesn't mean they're not muslims though.
There's plenty of killers in the U.S. army that are christian, the killing doesn't rob them of their faith in christianity.

So whenever a muslim does a deed not supported by the Qur'an(which is subject to interpretation) he's not a muslim any longer even though he himself professes that faith? Wow..

Just wanted to chime in with that.. I don't wanna get involved in this pus filled sore of a debate.
I'm out



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Okay really, I am pretty sure I made a thread a few weeks ago regarding Muslims that have denounced Islam.

Obviously everyone read it ,because such HUGE news would be vital information our media would want to share!Right?


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Somalia, Saudi Arabia or Yemen are not the safest places to stand up against armed fundamentalists. It probably makes one think twice.

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From the same author, Islamists killing Christian civilians in Bosnia were supported by America, the UK and others.

Comments ?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
So you don't like that source? How about some others then?
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There are plenty of sources.


It's the same source for all the articles. It doesn't count as multiple sources or crosschecking

There is only one source, Lee Jay Walker.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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The answer to sharia law is 2A.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
The difference is that, as an atheist, you are not a follower of a prophet who stated, "whoever stops being an atheist, kill him." There is no atheist holy book which is legally interpreted in atheist countries as demanding the death of those who stop being atheists.


That's funny, given that I'm frequently told by believers that my atheism makes me a "disciple" of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

This is not, however, relevant to my point.

My point is that Muslims do not bear any responsibility for what other Muslims do. This is the same for members of all religions, creeds, nationalities, ethnicities, genders, sexualities, political alignments, and hairstyles.

That is, just as you do not have to hold a press conference to denounce the actions of white American Christians, an Indonesian Muslim does not need to do that with regards to whoever this jackass was in Somalia. His crime is his, and his alone, and your desperate efforts to place the guilt on over a billion people because they are not showing enough remorse for your tastes, just exposes you for a stupid bigot.


It's a lie that belief that apostasy merits death is confined to a few Muslim radicals. Capital punishment for sane adult males who commit apostasy and refuse to repent is enshrined in the sharia law practiced in many Muslim countries.


Well, I know Saudi Arabia. I'm not sure that Somalia can be said to have "law" at this point in history, but let's add them to the list too. Got any others? Qatar? the United Arab Emirates? Iraq? Albania? Malaysia?


Mohammad stated: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” — Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’


And? Here's something to chew on; Just 'cause it's found in a religious book doesn't mean that the members of that religion all buy into it. A good number of Christians don't believe, for instance, that not being Christian condemns you to an eternity of the worst tortures imaginable, even though that's a core principle of Christian theology.


Where Islam is the state religion, apostasy is also regarded as treason, punishable by the death penalty.


This is the case anywhere that laws (or what passes for laws) are based on religion. And again, this does not give a Canadian Muslim any burden to speak up to denounce his co-religionists in some East African crap hole.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:06 PM
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You're wasting your time, of course. These people have no rationally-based anger towards Muslims. They're just grasping at justifications, and the "they're not speaking out enough" is easy, 'cause the US media never reports it when they do. However, providing such a list just gets ignored, or you get told "it doesn't count" or some such.

I'm frankly respect the bigots more if they just fessed up to hating Islam and Muslims because they enjoy hating people. Honesty wins more points, is all.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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I tell you what, Christians would be just as bad if they actually followed every word of their Bible. Fortunately, they don't.

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him."

(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul
I tell you what, Christians would be just as bad if they actually followed every word of their Bible. Fortunately, they don't.

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him."

(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)


Come on. If we misquote the bible like they misquote other religious groups, we aren't any better than they are.

No body benefits from it!



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 12:14 AM
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Islam was spread by the sword, and you're NOT getting out once you're in.

This will come to a head one day, and we'll have to have our holy wars again as a lot of folks are not going to continue tolerating this damned foolishness.

NO one likes rabid dogs.

But these rabid dogs have teachers.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by FarArcher
Islam was spread by the sword, and you're NOT getting out once you're in.

This will come to a head one day, and we'll have to have our holy wars again as a lot of folks are not going to continue tolerating this damned foolishness.

NO one likes rabid dogs.

But these rabid dogs have teachers.


SO I'm a rabid dog now right?

How many Muslims come to your house rioting for a religious war? How many Muslims do you know? How many Muslims have you been friends with? Have you ever had real physical contact with a Muslim?

If you wish to answer then please do it.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Mafia - Drug Cartels - Prison Gangs - Islam


Blood in.... Blood out



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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Sigh. Another establishment themed corporate media thread on the forum whos motto is "deny ignorance".

Condemnation of select violence. Lets put the propaganda aside for a moment and agree that all violence is wrong.

Tell me, those who have vowed to wage decade long endless wars of aggression, installing and arming dictators, using nuclear and chemical weapons on civilians, attacking and occupying sovereign nations, staging murderous false flag terror attacks.

Not to mention, the well thought out Eugenics programs, chem trail spraying, GMO foods, deadly vaccines, the perpetual debt based monetary system.

Which "religion" do these sadists follow?



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by Manouche

From the same author, Islamists killing Christian civilians in Bosnia were supported by America, the UK and others.

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Hmm... So we will overlook this article that explains western governments fund Islamists groups, radio control and move them to new playgrounds to establish a reign of terror.

It's probably too challenging.



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