Originally posted by zcheng
Just announced China will test three types of Missiles.
DF-21, intermediate range missile of about 2500 km
DF-31, long range 8000-10,000 km
JL-2, long range 8000km, for nuclear submarine, able to carry 6-8 warhead each.

I guess that is related to US show of force in Pacific and massing in Korea. Hope mutual deterrence will work this time as well.

Test and operational are two different things. Too bad they can spend so much money on weapons but cant save the little girl in the gutter. Zcheng why do you not comment on that. By my count you have been asked in 4 different threads.


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Originally posted by FredT

Test and operational are two different things. Too bad they can spend so much money on weapons but cant save the little girl in the gutter. Zcheng why do you not comment on that. By my count you have been asked in 4 different threads.
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Then howcome US spends so much on fighting useless wars instead of using that money to improve social security of US etc? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

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Originally posted by FredT
Test and operational are two different things.

You wish.

Too bad they can spend so much money on weapons

Chinese annual budget for defense is about 25 billion dollars. How much for US? For me, it is too little, at least China should double the spending. One good thing for US, with 200 billion dollars spent in Iraq, blood is still flowing, and seems accelerating.

but cant save the little girl in the gutter. Zcheng why do you not comment on that. By my count you have been asked in 4 different threads.
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I have said before that those had done that should be bring to justice. I prefer them be hanged. I have serious doubt whether this was specificly filmed by group like FLG for propaganda purpose.

The above is a crime to leave the baby on the curb. In US, a mother killed her 5 children. Remember US was the safest not in the world, with the highest crime rate. US gains another world No. 1. :LOL:

Originally posted by zcheng
You wish. Chinese annual budget for defense is about 25 billion dollars. How much for US? For me, it is too little, at least China should double the spending. One good thing for US, with 200 billion dollars spent in Iraq, blood is still flowing, and seems accelerating. I have serious doubt whether this was specificly filmed by group like FLG for propaganda purpose.

Im sure that your govenments position is that the dead girl in the gutter was just propaganda. Man we could not make up something as inflamitory as that. What happened to the person that filmed it? Probably sitting in jail being tortured. Yes you do have a low crime rate. When people violate your laws they simply vanish. Quite a harsh penalty you have there for free speech. What is it? yes its death. Or torture. Just ask the victems of Tienniman Square. You must be so proud of your vaunted military. Despite the fact that the students were armed with ideas, the valient efforts of the tank equiped red army ultimetly prevailed. Yes we spend alot of money on our military. Why not? its a very small percentage of our GNP.

Originally posted by FredT
Im sure that your govenments position is that the dead girl in the gutter was just propaganda. Man we could not make up something as inflamitory as that. What happened to the person that filmed it? Probably sitting in jail being tortured.

Show the evidence. With the help of Hollywood, what is not possible? I am just skeptical, not denial.

Just ask the victems of Tienniman Square. You must be so proud of your vaunted military. Despite the fact that the students were armed with ideas, the valient efforts of the tank equiped red army ultimetly prevailed. Yes we spend alot of money on our military. Why not? its a very small percentage of our GNP.

Remember what happend in LA when a black was ruselessly killed by white police? I do not see difference. Government has the responsibility to restore order.

Yes, the percentage is low, how much is the deficit a year? How many social program cut, because of the tax break for the rich?

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by FredT
Test and operational are two different things.

You wish.

Nope - YOU WISH. As the last 50+ years of aviation have shown, demonstrating an air platform and putting it into service are two different things....

But since you are a brainwashed Chi-com, I will play by you're rules.

As I remember, the YF-22 and F-23 were being tested in the 80's, so I guess BOTH aircraft have been operational for almost 25 years! And the Camanche has been around since the early 90's (maybe even 80's), so it looks like we have had that for 10-15 years. Oh, and then there is the B-2 which was being tested in the late 70's if I recall correctly, so I guess we have had that in operation for almost 30 years! Oh, and the F-15 was tested in the 60's. DAMN! That thing has been in service almost 50 years!!!!! WOW, the USAF is even MORE amazing using your logic! But there in lies the problem - you have none.

Originally posted by American Mad Man

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by FredT
Test and operational are two different things.

You wish.

Nope - YOU WISH. As the last 50+ years of aviation have shown, demonstrating an air platform and putting it into service are two different things....

But since you are a brainwashed Chi-com, I will play by you're rules.

As I remember, the YF-22 and F-23 were being tested in the 80's, so I guess BOTH aircraft have been operational for almost 25 years! And the Camanche has been around since the early 90's (maybe even 80's), so it looks like we have had that for 10-15 years. Oh, and then there is the B-2 which was being tested in the late 70's if I recall correctly, so I guess we have had that in operation for almost 30 years! Oh, and the F-15 was tested in the 60's. DAMN! That thing has been in service almost 50 years!!!!! WOW, the USAF is even MORE amazing using your logic! But there in lies the problem - you have none.

Gentle, now. We wouldn't want to hurt his feelings would we?


Mr. M

Chinese annual budget for defense is about 25 billion dollars. How much for US? For me, it is too little, at least China should double the spending. One good thing for US, with 200 billion dollars spent in Iraq, blood is still flowing, and seems accelerating.

Actually the US military spending is around 460billion and it is well spent it has kept US number one Since WW2 and we have had 800-900 casualties in Iraq if the chicoms were there you think they world have won the war in 3 weeks turned over power in 15 months and hold elections in 20 months and WW2 400.000 casualties Vietnam 54.000 casualties and now we have 800 now that is a very big improvement if you ask me so the money is well spent.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
Nope - YOU WISH. As the last 50+ years of aviation have shown, demonstrating an air platform and putting it into service are two different things....

Tell me what will you call, when Russia lauched their missiles? Were they testing or attacking.

For me, when not in war, those missile lauching are all called Testing. In case, that is not a testing, which place do you want to be wiped out? List six please, because JL-2 can carry 6-8 warheads. :LOL:

Do you know that JL-2 was all tested in 2001 and flied 5000km?

But since you are a brainwashed Chi-com, I will play by you're rules.

I guess you are brainwashed by Fox?

As I remember, the YF-22 and F-23 were being tested in the 80's, so I guess BOTH aircraft have been operational for almost 25 years! And the Camanche has been around since the early 90's (maybe even 80's), so it looks like we have had that for 10-15 years. Oh, and then there is the B-2 which was being tested in the late 70's if I recall correctly, so I guess we have had that in operation for almost 30 years! Oh, and the F-15 was tested in the 60's. DAMN! That thing has been in service almost 50 years!!!!! WOW, the USAF is even MORE amazing using your logic! But there in lies the problem - you have none.

I totally agree that US is far superior in aircrafts. Damn, someone in your government abandoned the already flied Yun-10 to purchase Boeing 7XX.

But in terms of missile, it is totally different. In due time, US carriers can taste them and some from Russia as well, if US intervenes in Taiwan conflict.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
And, you probably aren't lucid enough to see the difference in the U.S. and Russia or the U.S. and China, if you make such a statement, so there's no use in discussing it with you.

What is that...ignorence perhaps? Last time I checked China wasn't declaring war left and right, unlike the USA who in all seriousness should add itself to the list of rogue nations.

Just want to invite you to the following website for guidance. It will help you out in the long run...

Got jokes? I don't bother with punctuation but as for spelling its all good.

Also the US declaring war left and right Afghanistan was justified and Iraq well it dug its own grave when it kicked he inspectors out and harbored and cooperated with alqada.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Also the US declaring war left and right Afghanistan was justified and Iraq well it dug its own grave when it kicked he inspectors out and harbored and cooperated with alqada.

Do not just accept Gov. propaganda.

What is the evidence of Iraq harbored and cooperated with alqada?

I have strong suspicion that Al Queda was a black wing of US psyc op.

I guess you are one of the 50% american that think Iraq is responsible also for 9/11. :LOL:

no i dont think iraq was responsible for 9/11 i said they had Alqada in the country and didnt kick them out one of these id al zarqawi.

Originally posted by zcheng
I wonder why US can aim nuke missile on nations around the world, while it is not acceptable for other country to aim at US?

we do it as a precaution so we dont have to chnge out all the guidence systems. we have some aimed at north korea, china, the middle east, and even russia. we do that because thous regions are unstabel or there could be a coup ovenight and tomorrow we could be facing a new enemy instead of an old friend. you think we would be caught with our pants down if the russinas had a military coup over night and nuked us the next day? we have them pointed all over the world so we can launch those that are ready to go to the target that nuked us. while our birs are in the air, we're reprograming the ones that are pointed else ware incase the baddies launch again. not to mention its a deterant. a deterant to china in case they want to level the entrie western seaboard. its saying "look, you take out LA, San Fransico, seattle and everythig else there, we'll destroy your entire country. " simple as that. tTHEY ARE AIMED AT CHINA TO MAKE THEM THINK TWICE!

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
THEY ARE AIMED AT CHINA TO MAKE THEM THINK TWICE!

Will you think that US will think TWICE as Well, with Chinese Missile aims at all major cities? Remember Taiwan is part of China, and is the core strategic interest of China.

As I said before, NO WAR BETWEEN US and CHINA.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
no i dont think iraq was responsible for 9/11 i said they had Alqada in the country and didnt kick them out one of these id al zarqawi.

Have you ever heard of al zarqawi under Saddam rule?, please give me evidence or link. Otherwise, I can also claim that al zarqawi is an agent supported by Mossad and CIA. Very likely it is the truth.

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
we do it as a precaution so we dont have to chnge out all the guidence systems.

Sorry to tell you, but the US aims all of its missiles at points in the middle of the ocean. The only time that is changed is during the launch sequence the new coordinates are loaded into the missiles prior to the release of umbilicals.

The targeting was changed as a result of one of the arms limitation treaties.

Keep in mind that it takes all of about a second to change the targeting on the missiles. That way we can say that we aren't aiming our missiles at you, but that could change real quick.

Originally posted by zcheng
Will you think that US will think TWICE as Well, with Chinese Missile aims at all major cities? Remember Taiwan is part of China, and is the core strategic interest of China.

As I said before, NO WAR BETWEEN US and CHINA.

All we have to remember is that China is the only nation to have inferior ballistic missiles to the Russians. The track record for the Chines ballisitic missile program is not one I would want to brag about.

China uses very poor copies of Russian missiles and the CEPs are city sized. They make up for it by having very high yield warheads. You really don't need to worry about accuracy when you are dropping megaton sized devices on your enemy.

No offense buddy, but it's time to wake up and get a good deep whiff of the coffee. In an earlier reply you said that China was the same as the US!?!?! WHAT!?!?!? Perhpas you haven't been paying attention. Until about 10 years ago you clowns couldn't get a rocket off a launch pad without it blowing up! Without Bill Clinton you would still be living in a military stone age. Without Clinton your economy would garbage, and so would your military. In fact, you people should build a stuate of Clinton the size of the statue of liberty. He's done more for your country than any of your "Wize" old politicians, so give me a break.

As far as the military is concerned, we could reduce you and your country to rubble in about 10 minutes flat... PERIOD. There is nothing to discuss here, it is a fact. Sure, you guys could lob a few nukes at us and piss us off, but you don't have the ability to obliterate our country... PERIOD.

So get over yourselves. I've seen you praise yourselves and pat yourselves on the back in multiple threads, but you are still a COMMUNIST nation, devoid of freedoms and liberty. Instead of worrying about the good ole US of A, why not take some of that nervous energy and use it to change your government. Think of how nice it might be to one day have a baby and NOT have to KILL IT to appease the government. Think about it!