Chinese Nukes Aimed at US Cities

Or how about "who thinks China will invade Taiwan" - that will be more to the point wouldn't it?

And yeah, you hit a nerve - telling someone their dead body would be "awsome" and mocking the fact that someone can barely run when they haven't yet reached the age of 25 might piss some people off. Especially when that injury cost them the chance to do things they wanted to do, that most people would dream of doing.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
And yeah, you hit a nerve - telling someone their dead body would be "awsome" and mocking the fact that someone can barely run when they haven't yet reached the age of 25 might piss some people off. Especially when that injury cost them the chance to do things they wanted to do, that most people would dream of doing.

So why speak in such an arrogant, ignorant, and absolutely downright stupid manner? Because zcheng and all the "commies" do so?

With all due respect, it'd be hard to not be excited to see you in combat, considering you are so high to think we can kick anyone's @$$ as long as they're not American. If you truly believe that, then why not go fight? If we (more like you) think we can crush them then why not quit the trash-talk and do it? You shouldn't be asking for a fight if you aren't up to it.

Besides, considering you're the "American Mad Man," you'd be making fun of a hostile Chinese soldier who is only 19 and can barely run because some heavily armed U.S. soldier blew off his kneecaps with some insanely deadly infantry weapon, like a 12-gauge shotgun. At least, that's what I'm guessing considering the kind of garbage you post in your anti-world babble.

See what I'm getting at here?

[edit on 8-9-2004 by sweatmonicaIdo]

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Okay, let's put it to a poll.

All who say America will fight China, say Yea.

All who say no, say Nay.

Then we can see where everyone stands, without the propaganda.

I'd say yay because I know they will. It's almost immediately in front of you due to the US foreign policies and such.

About the US invading China and the US just flat out winning easily, I don't think it would be such an easy war. Technology has advanced so greatly in recent years it's hard to tell. A Chinese man with a machine gun is still devastating be it older tech or newer tech.

look this topic is getting to big and im tired, all i gotta say is, alot of u got it wrong, the chinese army is not old, it is tough and will pose a problem to the usa if it hits taiwon, the usas land army is smaller, but china osnt about to ship its entire land army to taiwon, usa has more technology ion the front line and the USAF is more technologically advanced, and for all those of u saying more conventional wepaons can be produced faster over technology wihch is expensive. that is untrue, becuase we can pump out weapons to equal that of the enemy just as fast. thats my rant and goodnite

Originally posted by goldenboy
If Californians, Texas, Florida all want to secede from the Union, what will your attitude be?

You will say, over my dead body!

I am not American. So no, I wouldn't say that.

Here's another thought though.. Would China want to reclaim Taiwan if Taiwan was more like a third world country (and that it would be more of a burden than a benefit to reclaim it)?

no they want taiwon, itd be like if in the american civil war, if the union lost the war, and some of the union fled to manhatten island, and lived there, and now today the confederacy wants it back, would you support the confederates, or the americans.. its the same type of thing-the union gov or the taiwons, should be reunited and democracy should prevail over communism

Originally posted by AxBattler
I am not American. So no, I wouldn't say that.

Here's another thought though.. Would China want to reclaim Taiwan if Taiwan was more like a third world country (and that it would be more of a burden than a benefit to reclaim it)?

Even if Taiwan is a no-mans land, China will still claim it back. It is the territorial integrity of China at stake. In fact, in terms of governance, a poor and under-developed Taiwan is better.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by AxBattler
I am not American. So no, I wouldn't say that.

Here's another thought though.. Would China want to reclaim Taiwan if Taiwan was more like a third world country (and that it would be more of a burden than a benefit to reclaim it)?

Even if Taiwan is a no-mans land, China will still claim it back. It is the territorial integrity of China at stake. In fact, in terms of governance, a poor and under-developed Taiwan is better.

So why are you saying you want a poor, undeveloped Taiwan? That's not very nice.

Fact is, China could never invade Taiwan. They would get their asses kicked. They would never be able to sustain invasion. China couldn't even invade Vietnam in 1979. They got their asses kicked and withdrew. China invaded Vietnam because Vietnam attacked the Chinese nephew Pol Pot in Cambodia. Yeah Pol Pot, guy who declared "Year Zero" and murdered millions of people. Chinese got pissed when Vietnamese disposed him.

So while you seem to have dreams of Chinese D-Day invasion of Taiwan, it's not going to happen. One China policy is supported by the US, but so is US support for quasi-independence of Taiwan. China would gain nothing but shame for military invasion of Taiwan. Taiwan would gain no advantage by declaring independence. Chinese could never dream of invading Taiwan by force, all they could do is lob missiles at the island. You're reading too much military books and magazines that are all fiction.

So let's keep peaceful course, allow Taiwan and China to agree to disagree, and hope that someday dreams of Chinese in PRC and ROC of peaceful union will happen.

China probably couldn't even invade North Korea! They are like America in many ways, they simply don't know how to fight inferior enemies.

Originally posted by taibunsuu
So why are you saying you want a poor, undeveloped Taiwan? That's not very nice.
So while you seem to have dreams of Chinese D-Day invasion of Taiwan, it's not going to happen. One China policy is supported by the US, but so is US support for quasi-independence of Taiwan. China would gain nothing but shame for military invasion of Taiwan. Taiwan would gain no advantage by declaring independence. Chinese could never dream of invading Taiwan by force, all they could do is lob missiles at the island. You're reading too much military books and magazines that are all fiction.

I am just refuting those false claims that China want Taiwan for its economy.

Current leadership now fully understand the real evil intention of US, and prepared accordingly. I say that Mainland and Taiwan will be united again in 0-10 years. Let's just wait and see who is right. Be Patient.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
So why speak in such an arrogant, ignorant, and absolutely downright stupid manner? Because zcheng and all the "commies" do so?

Nothing I said was ignorant, arrogant or stupid. I said the US would fight China over Taiwan. I believe we would. I said that the US has a superior military. I think even China would admit that. Those are just the facts.

With all due respect, it'd be hard to not be excited to see you in combat, considering you are so high to think we can kick anyone's @$$ as long as they're not American. If you truly believe that, then why not go fight? If we (more like you) think we can crush them then why not quit the trash-talk and do it? You shouldn't be asking for a fight if you aren't up to it.

First off, I have never said that I wanted a war. I said if it came down to it we would win. And as for me going to war, I already tried to join the military, as I told you. It is not my fault that my knee was bent 90 degrees in the wrong direction.


Besides, considering you're the "American Mad Man," you'd be making fun of a hostile Chinese soldier who is only 19 and can barely run because some heavily armed U.S. soldier blew off his kneecaps with some insanely deadly infantry weapon, like a 12-gauge shotgun. At least, that's what I'm guessing considering the kind of garbage you post in your anti-world babble.

Making fun? Hardly. War is not something that I, or most people take lightly. Last time I checked, saying that your country would win because your military is better does not mean you find humor in war, or that you are "anti-world".

As far as your babble goes, why don't you just quit it with this crap and discuss why you feel the US would not get involved, or why the US would loose, or why China would kick our ass. I mean, you have a really big problem with what I said, so tell me why you think differently.

Oh boy, here I go...

First off, I have never said that I wanted a war. I said if it came down to it we would win. And as for me going to war, I already tried to join the military, as I told you. It is not my fault that my knee was bent 90 degrees in the wrong direction.

So stop asking for a war.

I say the U.S. will not fight China. America has shown that it will fight only inferior opponents, like Iraq. America does not want to fight an enemy in which the norm is 1,000 casualties per year, or maybe per month. It is unwise to fight an enemy (unless they directly assault you) that can dish out equal damage.

China also has too much to offer America economically. Why blow a potentially huge economic partner.

As said many times, China is not Iraq. China is a very formidable adversary, and our technological advantages are reduced greatly. The data speaks for itself.

Originally posted by Ambient Sound
Again, even if China had identical technology, 8000 nukes against 250 is just too much of a gap. Someone said that China could hit 90% of the US with nukes. Is that all at once? Just how much area can those 250 nukes cover? Now how about 8000?

Don't forget that the majority of these warheads are not on ICBM's and therefore incapable of reaching the US from China

Originally posted by mad scientist

Originally posted by Ambient Sound
Again, even if China had identical technology, 8000 nukes against 250 is just too much of a gap. Someone said that China could hit 90% of the US with nukes. Is that all at once? Just how much area can those 250 nukes cover? Now how about 8000?

Don't forget that the majority of these warheads are not on ICBM's and therefore incapable of reaching the US from China

If you bothered to read all the posts, somewhere in the first few pages I posted an article pertaining to the Chinese ability to nuke even parts of the East Coast.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
China probably couldn't even invade North Korea! They are like America in many ways, they simply don't know how to fight inferior enemies.

Hey, maybe you could tell us how, huh?

How about it? We're all listening here.

We'll make sure that it's fowarded to the Pentagon. OK?

[edit on 8/9/04 by Intelearthling]

Technology isn't everything. Look at the vietnam war. USA lost that war, ran home with it's tail behind its legs despite it's superior technology. Never underestimate the will of the people who are determined to fight.

Look at the Korean war. Again, low tech North Koreans and Chinese fought the US to a stand still.

And you morons really think that China, who is not lo-tech but middle-tech, with its vast armies and resources, could EVER be defeated by the US?

I don't think so.

The only way US can defeat China is by nuking them. But China has it's own 2,500+ nukes, and their # of ICBMs, BECAUSE they are not silo based except for about 20 (DF-5) but are mobile (truck) are impossible to determine. Last year, China sold over 20 DF-5s to Saudi Arabia. That is just one year. Do you really think China only has 20 Df-5 to it's national defense? The DF31's are mobile ICBMs, and can go at least 8,000KM (probably 10,000), able to reach about 2/3s of the USA.

The DF41s (still in development) are also mobile ICBMs but can go 12,000+ (ie anywhere in the world). All of these ICBMs are MIRVed, capable of multiple warheads.

One thing you guys have to realize is this.

China maybe behind the USA in conventional arms technology albeit they are rapidly catching up, but they are NOT behind the USA in ballistic missiles technology. They have a very successful satellite launching record, and they are the 3rd country to send a man to outer space.

So in conclusion, USA cannot defeat China in conventional warefare. Nor can the USA defeat China in nuclear war without it being destroyed also (MAD).

The best option you guys have is to co-exist peacefully with China, and proper economically. The two countries can benefit mutually as it is doing now. Where would the US economy be without cheap imports? The stuffed toy you buy at Toys R Us for 8.99 would be triple that amount if it wasn't for China. Cheap goods help the US economy, and also the Chinese economy. This is a win-win scenario for both. To undescore this point, look at the effect the high gas prices is having on the US economy. People aren't buying or driving their SUVs anymore. Imagine if ALL goods from China were tariffed, and prices immediately rose 300%, you can say goodbye to the US economy. Cheap goods only help the US economy.

But Taiwan is strictly a Chinese matter. If the USA interferes ( it won't), then it will be a calamity for the world. But the fact is, USA won't. The politicians already have warned Taiwan from against declaring independence and if they did, USA would not support them at all.




[edit on 9-9-2004 by goldenboy]

Originally posted by goldenboy

Your above post is so convincing and elegant. Way above most.

When there are fewer US people that think they can beat anyone while leave US unharmed, the world will be more peaceful.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by goldenboy

Your above post is so convincing and elegant. Way above most.

When there are fewer US people that think they can beat anyone while leave US unharmed, the world will be more peaceful.

You mean when more people believe in Chinese war porn scariness it'll be better.

Save it man, your commie colors are showing.

Originally posted by taibunsuu
You mean when more people believe in Chinese war porn scariness it'll be better.

Save it man, your commie colors are showing.

No problem, just bury your arrogant Ostrich head in the hot sand!

Originally posted by goldenboy
Technology isn't everything. Look at the vietnam war. USA lost that war, ran home with it's tail behind its legs despite it's superior technology. Never underestimate the will of the people who are determined to fight.

Look at the Korean war. Again, low tech North Koreans and Chinese fought the US to a stand still.

Well Vietnam wasn't a war it was a police action leaving the north off limits to soldiers. It's commonly known the army fought with both hands tied behind its back - politicians
As for Korea it cost the Chinese over 1 million dead to 'hold' the UN. It's a war which could have been won if the UN had been willing to extend the theater of operations north of the Yalu. Obvioudly you know very little about these conflicts.

And you morons really think that China, who is not lo-tech but middle-tech, with its vast armies and resources, could EVER be defeated by the US?

I don't think so.

Maybe if the US tried to invade China, you may have a point, but anywhere else China would get its ass kicked. The Chinese have actually been down sizing their army, probably to redce targets

The only way US can defeat China is by nuking them. But China has it's own 2,500+ nukes, and their # of ICBMs, BECAUSE they are not silo based except for about 20 (DF-5) but are mobile (truck) are impossible to determine. Last year, China sold over 20 DF-5s to Saudi Arabia. That is just one year. Do you really think China only has 20 Df-5 to it's national defense? The DF31's are mobile ICBMs, and can go at least 8,000KM (probably 10,000), able to reach about 2/3s of the USA.

The DF41s (still in development) are also mobile ICBMs but can go 12,000+ (ie anywhere in the world). All of these ICBMs are MIRVed, capable of multiple warheads.

One thing you guys have to realize is this.

China maybe behind the USA in conventional arms technology albeit they are rapidly catching up, but they are NOT behind the USA in ballistic missiles technology. They have a very successful satellite launching record, and they are the 3rd country to send a man to outer space.

So in conclusion, USA cannot defeat China in conventional warefare. Nor can the USA defeat China in nuclear war without it being destroyed also (MAD).

And, guess what you're wrong again. Most Chinese ICBM technology is roughly equivalent to late 1970's US technology. Ther CEP is only good for city busting, absolutely nothing else. As for their SLBM capapbility, it is absolutely crap, they still can't master what the US did in the 1960's.

How do you know the Dong Feng 41 has a range of 12000 miles and MIRV's, you must have direct access to their secrets . Estimates don't count for sh*t.

As for China putting someone in space their would be a dozen other countries which could easily do it, if they wanted to waste taxpayers dollars for false pride. My watch has more computer than all the Apollo missions put together.