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is jesus, god?

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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Jesus isn't God. Show me ONE scripture where GOD says that Jesus is God? The other poster is correct. Jesus was simply stating that he was, he existed, before Abraham. God spoke from heaven "This is My son in whom I am well pleased". Please, friend, I know from where you are coming. I was once there until I started researching and studying. It's simple, really. Please rid yourself of schizophrenic thinking when it comes to scripture. If you believe that Jesus is God, you will be surprised once you get to heaven and see that Jesus is sitting to the right side of God.




posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Like, Smith, the husband, and Smith, the wife?



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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Aren't your words your own and in a very real sense you? Please ask yourself who else could communicate yourself better to the world, but you by your own words? Christ is the Word of God, the Logos, the Word that became flesh and is God.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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Jesus was the God of the old testament. It wasn't until He came in the flesh that He became known the Son. How do I know this? The scriptures speak clearly on this subject.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4

King James Version (KJV)

1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

This clearly says Christ was with Moses and the Israelites back then. There are other scriptures that talk about this.

When Moses first talked to God, and God told him to go get His people from pharaoh so they could serve Him, Moses asked him, "Who shall I say sent me?" And God replied, "Tell them I AM sent you". Then later, when Jesus walked the earth, he told the scribes and pharisees, "Before Abraham was, I AM".

Jesus was clearly the God of the old testament, something most people don't realize.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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No, Jesus is not God. Again, show me one scripture where God states that Jesus is God.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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It's unnecessary. Naturally, you won't find scriptural support for the idea that God the Father and God the Son are the same, this is not what Christians believe. You seem to be confusing sameness with oneness. Jesus is God, not because He is the same as the Father, but because they are one.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am."
That is like a mixed metaphor.
The "I Am" is not associated with the Abraham story.
That goes with the Moses story.
I think his point was that just as the angel in the burning bush was impressing Moses with his story of how he was know to the patriarchs, Jesus is saying that his story places him even earlier, and so has more authority than the angel who gave Moses the Law.
Today, we have a new Law, given to us by a superior being than the one who spoke the ten words in the hearing of the gathered Hebrews in Sinai.
If you choose (leave me out of that group, thank you) to proclaim that angel, god, and feel some sort of happiness reciting you own pronunciation of that ancient name, then you should even more heartily join in to proclaim Jesus god, since he pretty much said as much.
Personally, I accept Jesus as the most perfect representation of God that I, or anyone else, will have in this life, and in the world to come, he will still be there, accepting the name of Lord.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Jesus Christ was God's representative of GOD in the flesh of a man, but as the Son of God; he was not GOD. GOD did give all power to him for a while, and Jesus had decide whether He would obey GOD; and Die for the Sin of Man in place of the 1st Adam. Jesus said the Baptist was the greatest prophet over Moses. and Jon was the greatest because He askes; If Jesus was the one he was looking for; or if he expected another. The answer to these questions was Yes. Jesus Christ was the one he was looking for ; and Yes He should expect another. That other is Satan, now risen and reborn in the flesh of a real Christian woman.

So I hope with all thy getting you Get understanding. Amen
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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1 Corinthians 10:1-4

King James Version (KJV)

1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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John 5:37

King James Version (KJV)

37And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

If we have never seen the Father, then who was the God of the Old testament? It was clearly Jesus.

Exodus 3:13-15

King James Version (KJV)

13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

God told Moses his name was "I AM".

John 8:56-58

King James Version (KJV)

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus calls himself the great "I AM". Why would He say this is he wasn't the God of the old testament? Why would all these scriptures say the same thing if it wasn't true?

John 1:18

King James Version (KJV)

18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

NO MAN has seen God the Father at anytime. No man in the Old testament has seen the Father.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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1 Corinthians 10:1-4
Do you have a commentary on those verses. I do have access to the Bible, and have actually read it, so it may be helpful to add a few of your own words so I understand the point you are making.
What is the Rock? My understanding, based on what I was taught when I was young, is that the rock is where the water came from that the Israelites drank from. It was the compassion of God for His People,



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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Your premises are wrong because of the following scriptures.

Isa. 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me; I gurded thee, though thou has not know me; That they may know fromm the rising of the sun, and from the west that there is None beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord Do All These Things. "

So prior to Jesus being formed inside of the belly of the virgin Mary; the only GOD was the Spirit of GOD who is both our Father and Mother i.e., One GOD Parent. This is why GOD said I am that I am; because GOD didnt want moses to know SHe is a Female Spirit. Furhter that's why GOD only allowed Moses to see Her Back Side, cause if he had seen Her front side that would have revealed GOD Breast aka Her nakedness.

No Man hath seen the Father, except Her Son, Jesus Christ and Her Daughter Satan who always talked face to face with Both Jesus Christ and GOD.

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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by 1MrsJesusChrist
Your premises are wrong because of the following scriptures.

Isa. 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me; I gurded thee, though thou has not know me; That they may know fromm the rising of the sun, and from the west that there is None beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord Do All These Things. "

So prior to Jesus being formed inside of the belly of the virgin Mary; the only GOD was the Spirit of GOD who is both our Father and Mother i.e., One GOD Parent. This is why GOD said I am that I am; because GOD didnt want moses to know SHe is a Female Spirit. Furhter that's why GOD only allowed Moses to see Her Back Side, cause if he had seen Her front side that would have revealed GOD Breast aka Her nakedness.

No Man hath seen the Father, except Her Son, Jesus Christ and Her Daughter Satan who always talked face to face with Both Jesus Christ and GOD.

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Interesting analogy. How can spirit have human parts? It is important to understand that which you refer to as God; and when you do, you will seek to hide from shame: I am not referring to you directly 1MrsJesusChrist, but to all who think to make God human-like. You will be amazed when you find out who is deluding you.

There is a thread on OFF TOPIC called "Revelations: The secret of life as revealed to John by the Only-Begotten Light"; follow the thread, and you will be amazed at that which you have been conditioned to believe by man.

Peace be with you 1MrsJesusChrist!!!



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by gandalphthegrey
I have a problem with this whole Jesus , son of god thing .

You see Joseph was from the Davidic line , but alas , Mary wasn't . Seeing jesus was the spawn of Mary and the "Holy Spirit" , he could not have come from the line of David and therefore could not be the "Messiah" as prophesised.

Go figure

I thought the same thing once, but upon closer study, both Joseph and Mary are both from the line of David.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Olise Interesting analogy. How can spirit have human parts?

Hehehehe, I've wondered the same thing. Does the biblical god have a nose, mouth, eyes, ears, nose, etc? If so, why? Didn't he exist before anything was created? Why would he need those features? Why would he need any features? What did he need eyes for? Ears? Nose? Mouth? etc....

What if in reality he looks like a giant slimy slug, or bacteria?

I know that the bible says that we are created in his image, but when I bring up the fact that this god wouldn't have needed any of the features that we posses, they will then say that it wasn't talking about his physical image, but that we are made in three parts like he is. Spirit, Soul, and body....



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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We are all made in the Image of a GOD that is All Spirit and the bible describes this image of "Male And FeMale". This includes Trees, Birds & Bees, Whales and Humans. But because most People think of GOD as a HE or a Male = Xy like Jesus Christ they fail to see the other half or side of God which is FeMale=XX. GOD used the human gender structure to describe Herself to US. We are all part, Spirit, flesh and blood. So when Jesus blew His breath inside of Adam that made him like GOD but Part Spirit, Flesh & Bone aka A Living Soul.

Its just like looking in the mirror at an image or reflection of yourself; You are the actually human, and what You are seeing is Not human, but a reflection of Your Spiritual view. In the beginning, Jesus and Satan didnt have human bodies which of course is why GOD told Jesus in Gen. 1:26-7 "Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness and let them have dominion. In the image of GOD made He him, Male and Female made He them.

Jesus made Adam to look like himself and made Eve to look His Mother and Her angelic lunatic (moon) daughter Satan. Then the bible says "It is for this cause the man is to leave his father Xy and His Mother XX to cleave unto his wife and the TWO of them (the man and woman or even father and mother ) will become One Flesh.

So if we turn the genders image into a mathematical equation or ADD the genders (Xy= all males and XX= all females) together as the word AND suggest you get Xy+XX. Or Xy)(XX which you can see each X on the far Right or far Left "has its seed in itself" or one male (y) and one female (X).

But this view X(yX)X of GOD shows as in Heaven, so in Earth the father X and the motherX of Jesus Christ is FeMale = XX. One Female GOD who had Spiritual Twins inside of Her Heavenly Body and Womb similar to the twins inside of Rebeccah womb (Gen. 25:22-25) except with GOD's twins one was a boy and other a girl . So since the number of Man is 6, the Womb of GOD would look like this X69X . Also if you look at the M or #6 for Man and then swlitch the M upside down it becomes a W or 9. If you consider the Xs as pure negative and positive energy you know it cannot be destroyed only transformed you know either the XX will attract or repell each other and the center X & Y are complete opposite of eachother. One Y" Jesus Christ and One X whose Not Jesus Christ, is Satan aka the Anit Christ.

This is the real Trinity Family and if you look at each gender individually the Father =X and the Son = Y are One. Or the Father X and Mother=X are One = XX since they are both Xs. The Son (y) the only Y in the bunch or trinity of Xs. So the Trinity or Holy Family of GOD's consist of the Father=X, the Son=y and Holy= X Ghost= X is actually a Mother X , a Daughter X and Holy Hostess XX or Goddess XX. ,

1 John 5:6-9 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water And Blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father X, the Word Y, and the Holy Ghost XX and these three are one. And there are three that bear witneess in earth, the spirit, and the water and the blood (spirit is not capitalized here because it refuring to humans, people animinals etc). Blood only come from a Spiritual or Human Female's Womb and One womb with Two inside make THREE kinds of Gods i.e., as in the beginning was the word and the word was god and With GOD cause it was Inside of HER. " So this is How the Spirit of Jesus was born and became Flesh". Mary had Jesus inside of Her the whole time; but She didnt know it or that a Mutant Y gene would join with the X egg.

2 John 1 talks about the center X or 9 inside of the X(yX)X. The elder unto the elect Lady and Her children whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also they that have known the truth.

So again Alpha Betically; GOD made Jesus 1st or the Alpha and made Eve 2nd as the Beta, Better or Greater since 2 in Double the 1. The XyXX view also lets you see the center X as the Tree of Life and GOD's pms seed or Blood that naturally fell to the ground is Satan. God's Daughter is 1/3 of this Trinity but describe as the Evil or Unclean Blood GOD hears crying day and night from the ground; as GOD could hear Able's Blood crying from the ground. Rev. 22:2 "Tree of Life In the midst of the street XyXX of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits and yeilded Her fruit=X every month; and the leaves of the tree were from the healing of the nations. So like GOD only females have wombs or bleed once a month.




Originally posted by Olise

Originally posted by 1MrsJesusChrist
Your premises are wrong because of the following scriptures.

Isa. 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me; I gurded thee, though thou has not know me; That they may know fromm the rising of the sun, and from the west that there is None beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord Do All These Things. "

So prior to Jesus being formed inside of the belly of the virgin Mary; the only GOD was the Spirit of GOD who is both our Father and Mother i.e., One GOD Parent. This is why GOD said I am that I am; because GOD didnt want moses to know SHe is a Female Spirit. Furhter that's why GOD only allowed Moses to see Her Back Side, cause if he had seen Her front side that would have revealed GOD Breast aka Her nakedness.

No Man hath seen the Father, except Her Son, Jesus Christ and Her Daughter Satan who always talked face to face with Both Jesus Christ and GOD.

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Interesting analogy. How can spirit have human parts? It is important to understand that which you refer to as God; and when you do, you will seek to hide from shame: I am not referring to you directly 1MrsJesusChrist, but to all who think to make God human-like. You will be amazed when you find out who is deluding you.

There is a thread on OFF TOPIC called "Revelations: The secret of life as revealed to John by the Only-Begotten Light"; follow the thread, and you will be amazed at that which you have been conditioned to believe by man.

Peace be with you 1MrsJesusChrist!!!

edit on 22-6-2011 by 1MrsJesusChrist because: To correct it showing X(yX)X together

edit on 22-6-2011 by 1MrsJesusChrist because: same reason



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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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So like GOD only females have wombs or bleed once a month.
There was probably a lot more about women in the Bible and there is evidence that their importance was downplayed and text removed from the older versions, when Judaism fell into a period of anti-woman sentiment.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Yes I do, and its the kind GOD made on the 3rd day and said was "Good" or has its seed in itself, just like Wees, I mean US

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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Beloved 1MrsJesusChrist, to start with, the problem arises when you attempt to use mathematics to explain the spiritual realm; the spiritual realm can only be understood through geometric structures, Pattern Recognition: hence Image. This is why it is difficult for science to crack the spiritual realm; you can only use mathematics to explain the workings of the experience, which is what you call the Universe.

Secondly, according to your equation, Eve is better than Jesus; yet, as you also stated, Jesus created Adam and breathed the breath of life into him. Jesus DID NOT create Adam, nor did he breath the breath of life into Adam. The wicked one and his angels formed Adam, the primate, and he breathed the power he inherited through his mother into Adam, which power she received from the eternal invisible Spirit, the Father, whose Spirit she thought to side-step; she being the counterpart of the First Man: this same insolence carries over into what they call Womens Liberation today.

The wicked one became through the insolence of his mother who thought to generate offspring without her consort, given the foreknowledge/power she received when she was created. if you would like to understand these things, like I mentioned to you earlier, follow the thread "Revelations: the secret of life, as revealed to John by the Only-Begotten Light". The soul is what was created in the image of God, and hence it is the matrix of creation: hence the soul is the mother of all living; but you need to understand the consistency of the soul.

The only way for one to receive is to first discard the prejudice they have been conditioned to believe; hence this word spoken in Jesus, "Let not he that seeks stop seeking until he finds; and when he finds, he will be troubled, he will become amazed"; and this is because of what you will realize.

Peace be with you!!!



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