Retired Vaccine Expert Speaks Out (Get this information out before the Internet gets Censored!)

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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Please read your own source. If you'll look at it, you'll see that thimerosal was actually one of the least likely compounds to cross the blood brain barrier, and the amount detected was far, far, FAR below any sort of toxic level, even in mouse models.

This is why I can't take most of the people on this board seriously. You post a source, highlight one little snippet that might, in some way, support you, and then ignore all the science surrounding that snippet.




posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Ceej1980
All this information is interesting, however, i believe vaccines have helped to minimize the effects of diseases far more than have had severe side effect. I would much rather take the chance of protecting my child than not. You have to consider the results on a LARGE scale when talking about vaccines- thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that can be affected by a disease. Vaccinate and have less than 2% with bad side effect, or have 99% get the disease and see how it goes. hmm...


You believe vaccines have helped minimize the effects of disease more that have had severe side effects? Wouldn't it be better to KNOW rather than BELIEVE? Search "disease decline prior to vaccination". I'd also suggest you look into the actual severity of these diseases death rates, along with correlating deficiencies, nutritional and immune that predispose people to complications. For the number of people that are damaged aside from autism, comprises more than 2%. You have learning disabilities, neurological disorders, autoimmune disorders, allergies, sensitivities, and deaths.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by kalamatas
 


Please read your own source. If you'll look at it, you'll see that thimerosal was actually one of the least likely compounds to cross the blood brain barrier, and the amount detected was far, far, FAR below any sort of toxic level, even in mouse models.

This is why I can't take most of the people on this board seriously. You post a source, highlight one little snippet that might, in some way, support you, and then ignore all the science surrounding that snippet.


What amount do you think it takes to damage the brain?????? Show me that scientific figure. And consider the development of an infants blood brain barrier. You don't give anything credible here to say vaccines are not damaging and toxic, nor can anyone else. That's why I can't take you seriously.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Bill Gates of Microsoft doesn't think so! He's talking about creating a global vaccine database for ALL newborn children on earth to ensure they are vaccinated! No joke!



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by LanMan54
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Bill Gates of Microsoft doesn't think so! He's talking about creating a global vaccine database for ALL newborn children on earth to ensure they are vaccinated! No joke!


I didn't know that part, but he also says vaccines will help reduce the population of the third world



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Why in the world is Bill Gates interested in this in the first place? Does he want to rule the world, or what?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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"...It was clearly shown that the only people who got smallpox TWICE were the vaccinated... You can be LOADED with antibodies and still get, even DIE from the disease..." Dr Archie Kalokerinos

"The DEATH RATE from smallpox was actually higher among those who had been vaccinated." Dr. Viera Scheibner, Australia

"It is a well documented fact that the incidence and mortality from infectious diseases fell by 90% well before any vaccine was even introduced... So [the U.S.] mandated vaccination and it resulted in a three-fold increase in whooping cough..." Dr Viera Scheibner



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by LanMan54
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Why in the world is Bill Gates interested in this in the first place? Does he want to rule the world, or what?


He's trying to get those of the elite who have been there a lot longer than him to accept him as one of them by helping them out with what he knows they care about


Global Warming = Taxes for One World Goverment
The vaccines are for depopulation. Those are two of the elites main goals



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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This is what they are giving babies in vaccines

"Babies are injected with bits of animal, bacteria, viral DNA. They can be incorporated into the human genome..." Dr Peter Baratosy



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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THE FACTS:

Mercury is hazardous to humans. The use of a toxic poison as a preservative is undesirable, unnecessary and should be eliminated entirely.


For decades, ethylmercury was used extensively in medical products ranging from vaccines to topical ointments as preservative and an anti-bacteriological agent.


Manufacturers of vaccines and thimerosal, (an ethylmercury compound used in vaccines), have never conducted adequate testing on the safety of thimerosal. The FDA has never required manufacturers to conduct adequate safety testing on thimerosal and ethylmercury compounds. Current evidence suggests thimerosal is neither "safe nor effective" when used as a preservative in vaccines.


There are over 1500 studies and papers documenting the hypoallergenicity and toxicity of thimerosal (ethylmercury) have existed for decades.


The United States is in the midst of a tragic epidemic of autism. An analysis of the US Department of Education data from 1992-1993 in comparison to 2000-2001 indicates that there has been an average increase of 644% among all US children. In addition, 13 states have reported an almost infinite or infinite increase in autism from 1992-1993 in comparison to 2000-2001. A review of children in US schools indicates that approximately 1 in 9 children in the US is currently disabled by the US Department of Education Statistics (see attachment). Recent studies in the Journal of the American Medical Association and Pediatrics have confirmed the autism epidemic is real and not due to changes in diagnosis, populational changes nor is it explained by other factors.


At the same time that the incidence of autism was growing, the number of childhood vaccines containing thimerosal was growing, increasing the amount of ethylmercury to which infants were exposed threefold.


A growing number of scientists and researchers believe that a relationship between the increase in neurodevelopmental disorders of autism, attention deficit hyperactive disorder, and speech or language delay, and the increased use of thimerosal in vaccines is plausible and deserves more scrutiny. In 2001, the Institute of Medicine determined that such a relationship is biologically plausible, but that not enough evidence exists to support or reject this hypothesis. Recent studies have confirmed the association between the use of thimerosal and autism has moved from "biologically plausible" to a "biological certainty" (Boyd Haley). Recent work by Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons and Experimental Biology and Medicine have shown strong epidemiological evidence for a causal relationship between thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders in children.


The FDA acted too slowly to remove ethylmercury from over-the-counter products like topical ointments and skin creams. Although an advisory committee determined that ethylmercury was unsafe in these products in 1980, a rule requiring its removal was not finalized until 1998.


The FDA and the CDC failed in their duty to be vigilant as new vaccines containing thimerosal were approved and added to the immunization schedule. When the Hepatitis B and Haemophilus Influenzae Type b vaccines were added to the recommended schedule of childhood immunizations, the cumulative amount of ethylmercury to which children were exposed nearly tripled. The actions taken by the HHS to remove thimerosal from vaccines in 1999 were not sufficiently aggressive. As a result, thimerosal remained in some vaccines for an additional two years. Thimerosal remains in several vaccines and with the addition of the influenza vaccine now being recommended for infants, children are exposed to more thimerosal today than ever before.


The CDC's failure to state a preference for thimerosal-free vaccines in 2000 and again in 2001 was an abdication of their responsibility. As a result, many children received vaccines containing thimerosal when thimerosal-free alternatives were available.


Thimerosal should be removed from all of these vaccines. No amount of mercury is appropriate in any childhood vaccine.


The CDC in general and the National Immunization Program in particular are conflicted in their duties to monitor the safety of vaccines, while also charged with the responsibility of purchasing vaccines for resale as well as promoting increased immunization rates.


There is inadequate research regarding ethylmercury neurotoxicity and
nephrotoxicity.


There is inadequate research regarding the relationship between autism and the use of mercury-containing vaccines.


To date, studies conducted or funded by the CDC that purportedly dispute any correlation between autism and vaccine injury have been of poor design, under-powered, and fatally flawed. The CDC's rush to support and promote such research is reflective of a philosophical conflict in looking fairly at emerging theories and clinical data related to adverse reactions from vaccinations.


 

www.nationalautismassociation.org...

Never mind the one trial with mice. Are you failing to understand that multiple vaccines= accumulation in the brain??? Should we venture in the Aluminum arena too? Maybe a little formaldehyde?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Am concerned about how vaccines could be used to deliver various substances, including toxins, that could be used as a means to depopulate certain areas of the world. It was reported that the vaccination programs for the third world would reduce the need for couples to have large families because children would be more likely to survive past the age of 5. Sounds logical, but is this really going to happen? It is well known that diseases like AIDS and STD's infect nearly 80% of the African nations population in their major cities. Could vaccinations be used to increase the death rate in order to control the spread of these diseases, or other deadly viruses, just as easily as they could be used to save people? Another possibility is that new vaccines could contain 'nanobots' that would take up station in the nervous system and brain, thereby making it possible to monitor, manipulate, and control entire populations remotely. Just some things I've read about.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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That was one of the scariest videos I've ever seen! He and his followers think they are god's!



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by LanMan54
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That was one of the scariest videos I've ever seen! He and his followers think they are god's!


When I first found out about the depopulation agenda I felt sick for weeks. Now I've accepted it, but it took a long time
edit on 20-1-2011 by jameshawkings because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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The depopulation agenda is why they have to fiercely protect the Myth/Superstition of Vaccines. We are not allowed to question them. We have to assume vaccines work, but we are not given proof.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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When it comes down to a decision on my health, I will ALWAYS go with the opinion of someone who has been trained and educated in the health field.

I'm fascinated how people can jump on the vaccinations are toxic bandwagon without any kind of proof other than what the internet says. My Dr. says that vaccinations have improved the quality of life of billions of people and that people are only putting their children and others at risk by not having them immunized. The science is tested and while there are sometimes issues and mistakes, more lives have been saved because of them than lost.

I feel bad for people that have health issues, but I think that blaming them on vaccinations is an easy way to find a scapegoat for their issues.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Sure. While we're at it, let's discuss the fact that ZERO people have been cured of severe infection through alternative medicine, ZERO cases of cancer have been treated through alternative methods, and ZERO epidemics have been stemmed through alternative methods.



Any small amount of credibility you may have been clinging to, is now completely gone after that assinine comment. And NO, I won't be wasting my time by bothering to supply you with any sources.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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could not have said it better! My father is the head of emergency medicine in a city in northcarolina and a DR for over 20 years and has vaccinated every one of his children , we are all healthy!



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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Merck even admits that they don't even know if Gardasil will prevent cancer. Not to mention over 15,000 cases of severe side effects (including at least 44 deaths) have been reported after receiving these shots.

We over vaccinate for stuff that is not going to hurt us if we get it. I will not allow my daughter to get Gardasil or many of the other vaccines.. she's already been diagnosed with ADHD by some quack that wanted to put her on other meds. When in fact she does NOT have ADHD... she's just very intelligent and gets bored quickly when teachers at school make her sit thru stuff she already knows how to do.

I personally believe there is more than enough evidence out there suggesting a link between Autism and vaccines that it warrants a very in-depth study by a completely independent body. Unfortunately, we'll never get that because big pharma will quash anyone trying to stop their gravytrain.

Just look at the Swine Flu issue.. how many cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome do we need to see before we stop giving these stupid shots? As others have said, the swine flu scare ended up being just that.. more people die every year from the normal flu than swine flu.

Anyone with children should do a mountain of research before they allow any needles to be jabbed into their kids. Be informed and make informed decisions.. don't just take what your doctor says as gospel.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by shasta9600

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Sure. While we're at it, let's discuss the fact that ZERO people have been cured of severe infection through alternative medicine, ZERO cases of cancer have been treated through alternative methods, and ZERO epidemics have been stemmed through alternative methods.



Any small amount of credibility you may have been clinging to, is now completely gone after that assinine comment. And NO, I won't be wasting my time by bothering to supply you with any sources.



agreed... I suppose he personally knows of every case of cancer on the planet to know that none have ever been cured by some other method than chemo and radiation. Apparently, according to him, mankind didn't exist before vaccinations came along.. funny, I thought humans have been on this rock for thousands of years and survived without Thimerasol and mercury injections.





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