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FBI won't release Jared Lee Loughner video. Therefore, coverup

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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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See Filo... others like you do exist.. Uninformed ignorant people, that are willing to say things without any facts to back up their statements..


My my you certainly are getting testy.




There has never been a shortage of people with an over active imagination!


Thanks, I find a lack of imagination to be the tragedy of most adults.


Where is your proof? The Judge was shot protecting someone.. Gifford was Shot point blank in the head!!!


Where is your proof? A video you're not allowed to see?


I posted links to a man that was shot in the head.. It traveled behind his eye to his nasal cavity.. He sneezed the bullet out.. TONS of people survive head shots! period!


Okay, I'm not doubting a man sneezed out a bullet, I just said that JFK didn't recover that quickly.


Does anyone use logic any more? This is becoming some sort of disease, to find a conspiracy in everything!


I use logic all the time. Government lies, therefore be skeptical, FBI won't release video, therefore look for a cover up. Conspiracy in everything? No, if that were the case I'd think behind every rock was a terrorist or something.




posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
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See Filo... others like you do exist.. Uninformed ignorant people, that are willing to say things without any facts to back up their statements..

There has never been a shortage of people with an over active imagination!


VITRUVIAN'S ORIGINAL POST ON GIFFORD'S "ALLEGED" GUNSHOT WOUND:
posted on 20-1-2011 @ 09:27 AM
The Zionist congress(man) wasn't shot. Its a fraud. The target was the Catholic judge. The other deaths are ancillary to the cause of Zionism in America. She will MIRACULOUSLY "recover" in a very short time. I repeat - GIFFORDS WAS NEVER SHOT!!!!!!!!!

In addition to the CATHOLIC JUDGE (and a daily comminicant) having been the actual target Giffords "body guard" Daniel Hernandez, Jr is an intelligence operative. He 'covered' her up immediately so that no one could make any determination whatsoever as to what was really going down. He "accompanied" Giffords in the ambulance displacing paramedics so that he could offer her "emotional comfort" as he described it. This is UNHEARD OF.....Maybe if it were her husband who asked to go with her in the ambulance - then well - even that's a big maybe
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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Vitruvian



He "accompanied" Giffords in the ambulance displacing paramedics so that he could offer her "emotional comfort" as he described it.


Do you have a link for this? All I could find was this


Hernandez rode in the ambulance with Giffords, holding her hand.


voices.washingtonpost.com...

He applied first aid before the ambulance, but in the ambulance he held her hand, which is still a bit odd, but it doesn't say anything about him displacing paramedics. Would like a link if you could provide it.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by Vitruvian
He "accompanied" Giffords in the ambulance displacing paramedics so that he could offer her "emotional comfort" as he described it.

Do you have a link for this? All I could find was this

Hernandez rode in the ambulance with Giffords, holding her hand.

voices.washingtonpost.com...
He applied first aid before the ambulance, but in the ambulance he held her hand, which is still a bit odd, but it doesn't say anything about him displacing paramedics. Would like a link if you could provide it.


I heard him saying those things in a TV interview........He was only on his fifth day as her intern. He is Mexican and he is openly gay.........all the "ingrediente" for a good hero image........



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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edit on 20-1-2011 by TorqueyThePig because: Double post.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia[/]

Okay, I'm not doubting a man sneezed out a bullet, I just said that JFK didn't recover that quickly.





JFK was shot with a rifle, not a handgun. There is a big difference.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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Not just a cover up. It means it was a 911 style conspiracy, planned and executed like Ronal Reagan assassination attempt, John Lennon murder etc, using the patsy Manchurian candidate. Most likely there was more than one gun man also. Loughner was recruited by the US army and trained for gun shootting(who knows what else they did to his mind), Chapman and Hinckley both were members of the World Vision order, a dubious Catholic charity organization.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by TorqueyThePig


JFK was shot with a rifle, not a handgun. There is a big difference.


JFK was also shot by a magic bullet so there's no recovering from that.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by notsoperfect
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Not just a cover up. It means it was a 911 style conspiracy, planned and executed like Ronal Reagan assassination attempt, John Lennon murder etc, using the patsy Manchurian candidate. Most likely there was more than one gun man also. Loughner was recruited by the US army and trained for gun shootting(who knows what else they did to his mind), Chapman and Hinckley both were members of the World Vision order, a dubious Catholic charity organization.


At first the sheriff said he was convinced there was a second shooter, now of course that is under wraps. I know that it was probably an inside job but I was just focusing on the fact that the FBI has the video tapes so that is an indication of a cover up at the very least.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by TorqueyThePig

Originally posted by filosophia[/]
Okay, I'm not doubting a man sneezed out a bullet, I just said that JFK didn't recover that quickly.
JFK was shot with a rifle, not a handgun. There is a big difference.


If JFK was shot by his WIFE as many think - then he was shot with a HANDGUN!!!

Then again - there are some who say that JFK was never even shot! And that's no more outrageous than the cliams I made regarding Giffords..........is it? BTW the Zap vid was in the hands of the FBI first - then TEN YEARS WENT BY before we even got a glimpse of what was surely an ALTERED VIDEO........
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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by phishybongwaters

Sigh.....

You can't release potential evidence before a trial. Now, come post back in 5 years after the trial when they still refuse to release the footage, or parts of it. THEN you can cry conspiracy. video evidence trumps eye witness testimony, as eye witnesses have been proven to be horrible. they release the video now it's on the net instantly, good luck getting any "fair" trial after that. the only people that need to see this video are the prosecution and defense, simple as that. Anyone else demanding it is doing so out of their own morbid curiosity. there are plenty of videos online of people being killed, must you watch him shoot a 9 year old?

Not everything is a conspiracy. Guess i must be a government plant for having this opinion righT?



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True!
It is not customary to show evidance before a trail.

That wouldn't be very smart now would it?


But there are a few things that seem off in this situation.
But let's wait until we actually find some hard evidence before crying conspiracy.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by notsoperfect
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Not just a cover up. It means it was a 911 style conspiracy, planned and executed like Ronal Reagan assassination attempt, John Lennon murder etc, using the patsy Manchurian candidate. Most likely there was more than one gun man also. Loughner was recruited by the US army and trained for gun shootting(who knows what else they did to his mind), Chapman and Hinckley both were members of the World Vision order, a dubious Catholic charity organization.


At first the sheriff said he was convinced there was a second shooter, now of course that is under wraps. I know that it was probably an inside job but I was just focusing on the fact that the FBI has the video tapes so that is an indication of a cover up at the very least.


Some say it was one of the security peps who fired the second shot while he was "running to JFK's aid".



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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At first the sheriff said he was convinced there was a second shooter, now of course that is under wraps. I know that it was probably an inside job but I was just focusing on the fact that the FBI has the video tapes so that is an indication of a cover up at the very least.
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I remember hearing the news on the second (or more) shooter(s) and I don't hear it anymore. Definitely a huge inside job. Now it looks like the federal judge who refused to buckle may have been the main target. Now they are trying to blame it on tea party leader Palin who is also a sore thumb in their eyes. Two birds with one stone idea doesn't seem to work very well as they planned this time. There is a pattern for this type of crime.

There is a "great" leader or a rogue country they need to put them under their control or get rid of.

There is a "crazy" executer of the crime. It could be Islamic terrorist or a mentally deranged individual.

There is a target to be blamed. Osama bin Laden. The fundamental Islamic leader hiding in Afghanistan. And then there is a Tea party leader who is supposed to take the whole blame.

The "crazy" executer always has some kind of secret helper(s) who will complete the crime. Oswald was a patsy and there were many shooters who actually triggered their weapons. Then there are collateral damages they would like to get rid of at the time of the event if they can. The gun control issue has arised on the horizon again.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Vitruvian and Subjective1 are here to distract, not to focus on the issue. Be careful of those who are here to get you distracted.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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i dont know if the judge was actually the target or not, but after reading this i guess its always a possabilty, its unfortunate we will probably never know the real truth, and only have the media to rely on.

www.eutimes.net...



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Wow! I thought I was the only one who realized that too many things were not adding up with this whole incident. Those of you who are crying ignorance to suggesting that something is not right with how this all went down are using the information that you have received from the media to back up such comments. Now cmon basic conspiracy class 101, everything the media says is not true. None of the questions that have been asked in the beginning of this thread regarding this case have been answered and we have no video evidence at all to back up the medias claims of the description of what happened. I for one don't buy into most conspiracies but something just isn't right with this one.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Man you guys on here are getting paranoid.Ya, ok, I see your points and the gov't never seems to fail for the reasoning but in this case it was just a mad man gone MAD. Now if Jarod Loughner ends mysteriously killing himself then we have a debate.
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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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No offense but, If you make a claim back it up with some sort of proof. It's easy to say "cmon guys it's so obvious" but it's another to give actual evidence outside of the manipulation of the media.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by pondereternity77
Wow! I thought I was the only one who realized that too many things were not adding up with this whole incident.


thank you, you have renewed my faith in humanity. I'm glad at least someone is thinking outside of the box. As you can see there is about 5 pages of this thread with nothing but conspiracy denial, which is fine if this was the Wall Street journal or the Washington Post but with so much conspiracy denial on a conspiracy website it is a bit ridiculous.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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does anyone know if the other congress on the corner events were covered by the local media? I have not heard anyone ask that question?



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