FBI won't release Jared Lee Loughner video. Therefore, coverup, page 1

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Topic started on 19-1-2011 @ 11:47 AM by filosophia

abcnews.go.com...

...According to officials who have seen the video...

...The tapes are in the custody of the FBI...

...won't likely be released until trial...

...video obtained from the Safeway supermarket...

So a supermarket filmed the event and the FBI confiscated it and won't release. Sound familiar?

How is this not a cover-up if the FBI is withholding crucial information such as

Who was shot first?
How many bullets were fired?
Did John Roll really save Gifford's life? Or was this simply propaganda to make it seem like Roll was not the intended target?
Did Loughner reload? How was he able to fire off 32 rounds? Was there no security at all? If you remember the school board incident in Florida, the disgruntled man was shot by a guard at the school moments after he started to fire. (That man also missed every single shot, why was Loughner so accurate?)

Apparently they want us to once again trust the officials who viewed the video. I'm not buying it.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 11:49 AM by Ophiuchus 13

reply to post by filosophia

I find it odd that an astronauts wife was shot. Did her hubby have data to share? Sticky issue wit the we are good fakers who are really hell bound.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 11:50 AM by punctual

I don't believe anything i hear in the media....nothing is ever as it is reported....the news is twisted to serve the purpose of those who control the media....

Now what happened in arizona is a terrible tragedy....but we are probably not being told the truth....

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 11:52 AM by phishybongwaters

Sigh.....

You can't release potential evidence before a trial. Now, come post back in 5 years after the trial when they still refuse to release the footage, or parts of it. THEN you can cry conspiracy. video evidence trumps eye witness testimony, as eye witnesses have been proven to be horrible. they release the video now it's on the net instantly, good luck getting any "fair" trial after that. the only people that need to see this video are the prosecution and defense, simple as that. Anyone else demanding it is doing so out of their own morbid curiosity. there are plenty of videos online of people being killed, must you watch him shoot a 9 year old?

Not everything is a conspiracy. Guess i must be a government plant for having this opinion righT?

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reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 11:56 AM by Pyros

reply to post by phishybongwaters

How about a little common decency and respect for the families and loved ones of the dead? For crying out loud, their corpses are barely cold and you want the whole world to freely view a disgusting snuff film? Let the authorities have a chance to do their jobs................

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 11:57 AM by EvilBat

reply to post by filosophia

I heard the tapes might be released after the trial has started, not before.

On your link there is a video there, most of its CGI but even the reporter
states in the video that the tapes will not be released soon most likely after
the trial starts/finishes.

I don't think there is a cover up with the video,
I think they want to have a jury that had not seen all of the stuff yet and
has not already made their minds up of guilty or innocent.

I haven't really seen any court case where they release every piece of evidence before trial just for those reasons.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 11:59 AM by filosophia

oh please people, a nine year old girl was murdered, find me 12 people in the world who has not heard of that and who don't already think he is guilty. You people who say they can't release the video because it would be tampering with the jury, try and find 12 people who haven't heard this story. Go ahead, I'd like to see that.

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reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:01 PM by epitaph.one

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ive seen one of the videos, it was leaked, i could probably still find it. but its on a website 90% of you wont feel comfortable on, alot of porn, and i mean weiiiirddd porn and weirder stuff.

the video i saw was just him walking around his school talking to himself.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:02 PM by GodofWar411

never mind delete this

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reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:03 PM by filosophia

Originally posted by epitaph.one
reply to post by filosophia

ive seen one of the videos, it was leaked, i could probably still find it. but its on a website 90% of you wont feel comfortable on, alot of porn, and i mean weiiiirddd porn and weirder stuff.

the video i saw was just him walking around his school talking to himself.

oh no, that was some sort of high school genocide rant he made. Not interested in even watching that and if he has his shirt off I even more so don't want to watch it. No this one is regards the shooting, which you have not seen.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:05 PM by EdWard54

Good post OP

That was your first clue that this was a staged massacre...no media.

Lets see where else this happened:

JFK in Dallas
Pentagon on 9.11

Lets see where else the perp caught did not say a word:

Tim McVay on OKC

IMHO...with all due respect to all those govt. creeps frequenting this forum... this guy was not the only shooter and the congress woman may not have been the main target at all, possibly the Judge fellow known to be a citizen judge protecting citizen rights...

And all those magazines or clips...all those rounds...

Hmmm!

And no footage, and no photos of the gun or ammo...Hmmmm!

Since we all have much more to worry about, and since none of us on this forum are anti government militia types bent on overthrowing corporate USA...I am safe in assuming, at least for now, that this was a secret government black/wet operation to silence one or more persons...albeit with collateral damage...

Watch the skies for the truth...don't wait for TV to spoon feed you unless you can read between the scripted newscasts...

Have a wonderful day and again-bless the OP for posting...Thanks.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:07 PM by ~Lucidity

reply to post by phishybongwaters

Exactly. Not to mention, good luck finding an impartial jury should it get to that point...as if the pool isn't already tainted enough in these high profile cases. If enough things start screaming "coverup," that's another story, but even then this would still be only part of the picture. This in and of itself indicates nothing and is standard protocol.

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reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:08 PM by tom502

I'm not sure of a coverup, I don't feel it. He could have been an MKultra candidate, but the vids will just show him doing what he did, and would not xpose a coverup, like the Pentagon vids would. Also, they would not want the news channels showing this candidate or nut doing such a thing.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:10 PM by EvilBat

Originally posted by filosophia
oh please people, a nine year old girl was murdered, find me 12 people in the world who has not heard of that and who don't already think he is guilty. You people who say they can't release the video because it would be tampering with the jury, try and find 12 people who haven't heard this story. Go ahead, I'd like to see that.
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See right there, you would not make jury, nine year old girl murdered. What if the video shows some one bumping the girl INTO line of fire cause they were panicking? We only know what is fed to us, if you want to see the videos before trial I suggest heading over to the court house and asking to see them, or better yet see if the 3 amigos will give you an ATS press pass to watch the case and report back to us ( I would but I'm not in AZ )

I understand about not finding 12 people that don't know what happened, I can find 12 or more that only know what the news tells them, they don't have internet to read beyond the tv/newspaper. I can also find 12 or more that don't even remember the names of the victims or the shooter go figure

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:12 PM by filosophia

Originally posted by tom502
I'm not sure of a coverup, I don't feel it. He could have been an MKultra candidate, but the vids will just show him doing what he did, and would not xpose a coverup, like the Pentagon vids would. Also, they would not want the news channels showing this candidate or nut doing such a thing.

They are claiming that the judge took the bullet for Gifford. If the video shows something different, such as the Judge getting hit first, it completely changes the story based on who is the real target.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:13 PM by searching4truth

reply to post by phishybongwaters

Well said.

The only thing I would add is that they are already planning to move Laughner's trial out of state because of the tainted jury pool, where would he go if the country was watching the video, even snippets?

No, I don't want to watch 16 people be murdered or shot.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:14 PM by filosophia

Originally posted by EvilBat

Originally posted by filosophia
oh please people, a nine year old girl was murdered, find me 12 people in the world who has not heard of that and who don't already think he is guilty. You people who say they can't release the video because it would be tampering with the jury, try and find 12 people who haven't heard this story. Go ahead, I'd like to see that.
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See right there, you would not make jury, nine year old girl murdered. What if the video shows some one bumping the girl INTO line of fire cause they were panicking? We only know what is fed to us, if you want to see the videos before trial I suggest heading over to the court house and asking to see them, or better yet see if the 3 amigos will give you an ATS press pass to watch the case and report back to us ( I would but I'm not in AZ )

I understand about not finding 12 people that don't know what happened, I can find 12 or more that only know what the news tells them, they don't have internet to read beyond the tv/newspaper. I can also find 12 or more that don't even remember the names of the victims or the shooter go figure

So the only people who are suitable to be juries are people who don't watch tv or read newspapers and basically live in isolation on the outskirts of society? Then why would releasing the video be damaging if they are so out of it they won't see it to begin with? Seriously that's like saying the FBI had to confiscate the 9/11 tapes because then a jury might be impartial.

reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:17 PM by Stormdancer777

Police: Security Footage Shows AZ Judge Died Saving Another Man

Last week he was called “fair” and “just.” Today, Judge John Roll, the federal judge killed in the Tucson shooting, is being called a hero.

Police say security footage from the Safeway store where the shooting occurred shows accused gunman Jared Loughner walking up to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and shooting here at close range — the video shows only a wisp of her hair, however. Loughner then turns and begins firing indiscriminately into the crowd.

“He wheels this direction and that direction firing,” Chris Nanos, a captain with the Pima County Sheriff’s Department who has viewed the video, told the Wall Street Journal.

The Journal explains what happens next in the video with 63-year-old Judge Rolls:

As the shooting starts, the video shows Judge Roll pushing another man, Rob Barber, onto the ground, Mr. Nanos said. “It looks to us as though he is pushing against Ron Barber to move him out of the way.” Both men fall to the ground; both are shot. The judge was shot in the back and died.

The New York Times quotes Richard Kastigar, another investigator in the case, in explaining the incident this way:

The judge guides Mr. Barber to the ground, shields him with his body, and then tries to push himself and Mr. Barber away from the gunman, who was no more than three to four feet away as he fired, Mr. Kastigar said.

“He pushes Mr. Barber with his right hand and guides him with his left hand. The judge was on top of him and is covering up Mr. Barber, literally lying on top of him, and his back was exposed,” Mr. Kastigar said.

“It’s pretty evident to me that Judge Roll was a hero … if Judge Roll had not pushed Mr. Barber his wounds might have been fatal,” Nanos told the Journal . “Judge Roll‘s actions are of a man trying to save another man’s life.”

While the video shows Barber, Loughner, and Roll, the camera’s angle blocks other victims from view. However, the video does lead investigators to think that Giffords was the target because it shows a man running past a concrete pillar, and shooting Giffords at close range.
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“There’s no hesitation. Once he gets around the pillar, it’s obvious what his intent is. That’s why we believe his target was exactly who we thought it was,” Nanos told the Journal.