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Topic started on 19-1-2011 @ 09:54 AM by Billmeister

A very interesting interview of Roderick T. Long, a very well-spoken, self-professed anarchist.

It appears that I misunderstood the true definition of Anarchism and must do some more research to better understand it.

I know it is a long listen (yes radio interview only) but he discusses some very interesting points such as:

Anarchy is more likely to create a system of checks and balances.
War can only coexist with an official state.

Prof. Long uses examples in history and today, even quoting the founding father's positive view of anarchy.

Anyhow, I just thought it was worth the listen.

the Billmeister
edit on 19-1-2011 by Billmeister because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 10:15 AM by Billmeister
Originally posted by Jazzyguy
Can you provide the gist of the interview?


edit: Really, the interview tries to disassociate the notion of "chaos" with the idea of the "absence of state".
However, as your added question alludes to, he does not really try to show a real-world effect of anarchy to an established "stable" state, which I was waiting for as well.


-Anarchy is more likely to create a system of checks and balances.
-War can only coexist with an official state.

-Prof. Long uses examples in history and today, even quoting the founding father's positive view of anarchy.


I sincerely apologize for the very un-nuanced and brief summary, but I'm sure you will appreciate that the interview is an interesting and relevant one and it really must be heard to get all the subtleties.

In a (very unsophisticated) nutshell, he argues against the argument that the existence of the state, as opposed to anarchy (the absence of it) brings any added security to the citizen/person.

He uses the examples of similar "nations" where one had an official state and one did/does not to support this argument. Such as medieval Iceland vs. Norway, where, apparently, the anarchic nation of Iceland had very few conflicts compared to Norway where the institution of the state existed.
Today, he points to Somalia, where the violence has actually diminished since the state has crumbled, and when compared to neighboring states has much less internal violence.

I sincerely apologize for the very un-nuanced and brief summary, but I'm sure you will appreciate that the interview is an interesting and relevant one.

the Billmeister
edit on 19-1-2011 by Billmeister because: attempting more clarity!?!




reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 11:19 AM by Jazzyguy
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States are like tooth, sometimes you got a toothache and that tooth needs to be removed. But having teeth it means you have the ability to eat more kinds of food.

These days though, there are too many people in the world from all different culture and believe system and they have all of this complex technologies and different needs, hence a state becomes a necessity rather than optional. Otherwise you'll indeed have constant chaos.


reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:29 PM by Billmeister
Originally posted by mnemeth1
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looks like you beat me to the punch


Sorry about that!

I will have to listen to the interview again and take notes, there are quite a bit of interesting arguments brought up.

I think it's always interesting to here a (so-called) radical view from an educated and well-spoken position.

the Billmeister


reply posted on 19-1-2011 @ 12:40 PM by Billmeister
Originally posted by Jazzyguy
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States are like tooth, sometimes you got a toothache and that tooth needs to be removed. But having teeth it means you have the ability to eat more kinds of food.

These days though, there are too many people in the world from all different culture and believe system and they have all of this complex technologies and different needs, hence a state becomes a necessity rather than optional. Otherwise you'll indeed have constant chaos.


Good point.

And just to be absolutely clear, I found this interview very interesting in worthy of a listen, but the views expressed are those of prof. Roderick T. Long, and not my own.

the Billmeister


reply posted on 20-1-2011 @ 05:49 PM by John_Rodger_Cornman
Originally posted by Jazzyguy
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States are like tooth, sometimes you got a toothache and that tooth needs to be removed. But having teeth it means you have the ability to eat more kinds of food.

These days though, there are too many people in the world from all different culture and believe system and they have all of this complex technologies and different needs, hence a state becomes a necessity rather than optional. Otherwise you'll indeed have constant chaos.


what happens when private interests hijack the state. What then? Sing yellow submarine while they restructure the laws to suit them?
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