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“libertarian” was “a term created by nineteenth-century European anarchists, not by contemporary American
right-wing proprietarians.” [Murray Bookchin, The Ecology of Freedom, p. 57]
Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by budski
I disagree.
The term 'Libertarian' was first used by left wing Anarchists apposed to capitalism. Libertarian thought was anti-authoritarian, whereas capitalism supported authoritarianism as capital has to be protected.
The United States has perverted the meaning of terms to confuse the population and keep you all pacified and supporting your own tyranny.
“libertarian” was “a term created by nineteenth-century European anarchists, not by contemporary American
right-wing proprietarians.” [Murray Bookchin, The Ecology of Freedom, p. 57]
anarchism.pageabode.com...
Please watch this if you have time, Chomsky explains it well...
edit on 1/21/2011 by ANOK because: typo
Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by Annee
I am an independent thinker, and I am anything BUT the contemporary liberal, which I will define.
Believe in government run by Democrats, as opposed to government run by representatives of the people.
Believe war is bad, unless Democrats are in power.
Believe government can run businesses better than businesses.
Believe that everyone should be forced to pay for a huge governmental bureaucracy to administer limited health care services to citizen and non citizen alike.
Believe the founding fathers were terrorists, but FDR and the New Deal are beyond reproach and criticism.
Believe the Federal Reserve should be left alone and it is okay for Wall Street executives to rotate in and out of the present administration.
Believe Obama is center, center right.
Pretty close?
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by Annee
That covers it pretty well, on the whole.
I mostly agree with your statement.
The problem as I see it, is that TPTB have been "teaching us to fish" but without bait, because they kept it all for themselves...
Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by CosmicCitizen
I agree with you as I consider myself a Social Liberal - - Fiscal Conservative.
I am 100% supportive of Equal Rights -- Gay Marriage - Right of Choice - - etc.
But I do not support Welfare. I do not support CASH payments at all. I believe everyone should have BASIC necessities - - but not cash. "That which is not earned has no value".
I do support free breakfast and lunch for every primary school student - - because nutrition feeds the brain - - and these children are our future.
Basically I'm a "Teach them to Fish" believer.
Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
The problem is that the state creates quasi-monopolies and can dictate who sells us the "bait and tackle."
Originally posted by budski
We also have the situation where a lot of manufacturing has been sent to countries where labour is cheaper.
Is that social responsibility or just plain greed?
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by budski
We also have the situation where a lot of manufacturing has been sent to countries where labour is cheaper.
Is that social responsibility or just plain greed?
My answer to that is: if my future perspective is to have a One World Government (NOT NWO) - - the first thing I would do is equalize the worlds economy. I would bring up the 3rd world economy - - and lower the power players.
The physical geology (mineral etc) is not equal. There are locations rich in Earths "treasures" and places void of such commodities. Should Humans be subject to such inequalities because of their physical location?
I really appreciate the industrial revolution of America - - but should it really be "owned" as we progress as Humans of the World?
I am a progressionist. I am not really interested in where we have been - - but where we are going - - - as an entire planet.
Originally posted by budski
Because we don't have the same levels of greed..
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by budski
Because we don't have the same levels of greed..
Ah - Greed - the original sin (unless you want to count lust - which I don't).
Greed or Power?
To me - Greed is anything beyond the necessities of life. Food - Shelter - Love - Family - Purpose.
Then comes Power and Control.