Give It Back, George

Powerful piece to read here. (Link Expired? Try www.zmag.org... and it's under July 9, Palast: Give it Back George)

The evidence is now overwhelming of massive fraud at the highest levels.

The head of Enron has already been dragged away in cuffs (though not nearly as harshly as he deserved, or how any other petty thief would have been).

It goes high enough to be able to exert total control over the market of an essential public service and nearly bankrupt the State of California. And then give them their movie star good guy ruler to make them forget.

Who exactly knew what was going on? Greg Palast, says:

"It's time to tape up the White House gate and hang the sign: "Crime Scene: Property to be Confiscated. Vacate Premises Immediately."


What do you think? Who knew what was going on? On Air America, I heard the tapes of the traders laughing it up as they discussed what was going on in the energy market. Even they knew. You can bet that "Kenny Boy's" friends either knew it, and did nothing, or they were in on it.

Edit: Article Source Problem

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Originally posted by Gools
What do you think? Who knew what was going on? On Air America, I heard the tapes of the traders laughing it up as they discussed what was going on in the energy market. Even they knew. You can bet that "Kenny Boy's" friends either knew it, and did nothing, or they were in on it.

Why do you think Cheney fought the release of his Energy meetings like a mad dog protecting a bone? And had his golf buddies on the Supreme court toss it?

KENNY BOY BABY! If you think the tape of the Enron traders was bad, just imagine a conversation between Cheney and Lay. Oh the humanity.

you're right, enron gave the republican party a lot of money. but before you decry just the repubs, maybe you should do a search on george soros, the largest financial contributor of the democratic party. and just a heads up, soros is the closest thing you can get to evil. he basically hates america and capitalism, and wants nothing more then for our country to be assimilated into the global community. he's a staunch liberal ( and liberal isn't bad, until you become extreme with it, as he has).

Astroblade. Good point.

I am not letting anybody off the hook here. I live in Quebec. A jurisdiction where NO CORPORATE money at all is allowed to be given to a political party. Only individuals and there are caps. There may be some loopholes I am not aware of, but its largely true.

All corporate raiders and their shills (read many politicians) should be kept out of the political process as well as any rich individuals with their own private agendas.

The office of president is the only job I know of where it costs you hundreds of millions to get the position (rather than merrit) when it only pays, what? $120,000 a year. Those hundreds of millions have to be paid back somehow.

Seriously, where does all the money go? Propaganda.

How much does is cost to sit in front of a camera and present your platform and then ask the people to decide for themselves which they prefer. Without the medling of media spin etc.

Here in Canada, an election is called, the campaign lasts 5 weeks, there are televised debates and we vote. It takes about three hours to know who won on election night (without any electronic voting btw). We just had an election on June 28. Quick, clean and without all the circus surrounding a year long process.

Anyway. Went a bit off topic there.

Originally posted by astroblade
and just a heads up, soros is the closest thing you can get to evil. he basically hates america and capitalism, and wants nothing more then for our country to be assimilated into the global community. he's a staunch liberal ( and liberal isn't bad, until you become extreme with it, as he has).

You say potato...I say potato.

Evil, America hating Soros? I call him a philanthropist. So he wants world decriminalization of drugs and 100% free trade. The socialist thing is a new one to me though, since he's a big fat capitalist. Maybe he does want global healthcare if you call that socialism, but the dude just wants open global borders to make money from what I understand. That's capitalism IMO.

There's a thread or two around here somewhere on Soros calling him worse names than you have, but if I had a gazillion dollars I'd be a jerk too. And you'd all know my name. And I wouldn't even pretend to hide it. My philanthropic charity would be called the Federation of Planets and I'd cram it down your throat. How much you want to bet me the Republicans would take my check too? In...a...heartbeat. They'd probably even crown me the new messiah like they did Reverend Moon earlier this summer, and let me ride them like ponies. Man that sounds fun.

Gools, i couldn't read the article could you repost it please, cheers

You say potato...I say potato.

Yep!

And some say 'cola red' and some say 'cola blue'. But you know what?

The extreme right and the extreme left meet on the other side of the circle that is the political spectrum. And the pendulum is a Foucault's pendulum capable of touhing every point along that spectrum with enough time.

Left! ... Right! ... Left!... Right! ... March!

I hate political lables. Why do we vote for parties? I like ideas and the people committed to making them happen. Why label that idea with a colour, a mascot or a cardinal direction. Just vote for the person and eliminate the partisanship poison tearing democracies appart and opening them up to corruption.

Before you jump out of the plane with a parachute packed by ZNet, just first look at a quick list of their articles:

Documentaries
An Endangered Species?

My last two documentaries for ITV, Breaking the Silence and Palestine is still the Issue, were subjected to

Bloody Uniform:

Men, women and children are generally burned alive, not by grinning monsters, but by fresh-faced kids pushing throttles, raising flaps and pressing bomb releases.

Elie Wiesel

perhaps Elie Wiesel is just an idiot...too simple-minded to discern reality from fantasy.

Clinton Interview

described Clinton as "the man who was hailed, even by his enemies, as the most gifted politician of the post-war era"

Reagan and the Damned

Remarkably, only one news article mentioned death squads as part of Reagan's legacy.

Etc. Etc.

I wouldn't take much from ZMag as objective. Therefore with no objective credibility, there reporting is worthless.

I wouldn't take much from ZMag as objective. Therefore with no objective credibility, there reporting is worthless.

Well. You are making an assumption about my gullability and that of others.

I happen to like some of the authors.
I do not know them all.
I do not agree with all of them.
I did not read the articles cited.

But on this particular issue I trust Greg Palast. He has been on a personal passion quest and done some very good research.

You do know that Z is a collection of columnists and writters from around the world who each work independantly as freelancers or for other organisations that allow Z reprint rights.

Are there some extremists? Sure.
Are there some good champions for a good cause? You bet!

So rather than dismiss dozens of writters in one breath by claiming them to be a single source, here is a hint:

Figure out which ones you agree with and dismiss the rest. Reading them to make that decision is not harmful to you health.

Gollwog

Sorry about that.

You should be able to find the article now.

Originally posted by Gools

I wouldn't take much from ZMag as objective. Therefore with no objective credibility, there reporting is worthless.

...

So rather than dismiss dozens of writters in one breath by claiming them to be a single source, here is a hint:

Figure out which ones you agree with and dismiss the rest. Reading them to make that decision is not harmful to you health.

I read many more articles on that site than I quoted. I got tired with all the /copying/quoting/posting. I didn't find any that appeared to be objective. For example, they refered to Reagan as a murderer, and a bunch of other obvious stretches.

And I have to disagree with the last statement that "Reading them to make that decision is not harmful" (I will agree that it may not hurt your physical health, though). Constantly reading articles that are contrary to your own belief and standards is how "they" do brain washing. Eventually you start to tilt your beliefs to ideas that you would originally have thought were way out there. And if you think "YOU" are special and brainwashing like that wouldn't work, then you may be the only one.

I have enough trouble reading all the wildly liberal posts on this board...

Originally posted by leiphasw
I didn't find any that appeared to be objective.

Nor should you.

If you believe that objectivity exists from ANY source and that somehow that is the measure of credibility ... well ... I'm speechless!

Constantly reading articles that are contrary to your own belief and standards is how "they" do brain washing.

That is possibly the most silly thing I have ever read here!

Tell me something (even though this is off topic for this thread). How in the heck do you manage to learn anything new? Or to grow as a person? If the only sources you feel are "credible" are the ones that are, by your standards, "objective" and therefore already agree with your point of view?

YIKES!

Um... ok... anyways, this is just another example of the corruption that exists in the government today. It's not just the republican party that's the problem though. The democrats are just as corrupt.

Who does that leave to help save this country. Sadly, no one. Enjoy the last few years/months of the old America. This next election (whenever it happens) is gonna be quite an event.

Our nation has now turned from a capitalist paradise into the dream of a dictator. Socrates said that a Masculine Republic will descend into a Feminine Democracy and then finally into Despotism. If you look at American history you can see which stage we are about to enter....

Bush has tried to claim that he and Kenny Boy are mere aquaintances. But in truth (does anybody doubt this?) they are old friends.

Here are some full text letters exchanged between the two:

www.politicalstrategy.org...

Quote from the site:

"The letters were obtained from the Texas state archives in response to Freedom of Information requests. They touch on �personal matters like Bush's knee surgery, Christmas gifts, birthday greetings, and even a Lay heads-up regarding a Thomas Friedman story about globalization. Enron, in case anyone forgot, was Bush's biggest Lone Star political contributor."

EDIT: fixed link

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