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It is true that Obama hasn’t, by far, lived up to the transparency promises he made, but there’s a distinction that needs to be made in respect to the birth certificate issue. Obama has presented a certificate and the competent authorities confirmed he was born in Hawaii, there is only an issue for some people that refuse to accept what was disclosed already as sufficient.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Yes you could say that, but I would look at it more in terms of the "transparency" campaign promise
That’s not necessarily what my comments imply. I think the people might have more power than their vote, they don’t, however, have a legal basis for the demands to see the President’s birth certificate. I can understand, though, that some people might have a difficulty in accepting that fact, but I never found personal indignation to be a persuading argument.
But your point is well taken, about the only power voters seem to have, is their vote, in this case.
Correction: He provided a certification.
Originally posted by aptness
Obama has presented a certificate
Doesn’t change the fact that a certification has to confirm what the original records represent, otherwise it wouldn’t be a certification now would it? The state can’t issue certification of knowingly false information.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Correction: He provided a certification.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Correction: He provided a certification.
Originally posted by aptness
Obama has presented a certificate
Originally posted by aptness
Doesn’t change the fact that a certification has to confirm what the original records represent, otherwise it wouldn’t be a certification now would it? The state can’t issue certification of knowingly false information.
No, aptness is right in this follow-up statement:
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Correction: A certification is a certificate.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Correction: He provided a certification.
Originally posted by aptness
Obama has presented a certificate
Aptness is right that it's a certification and that it's only saying that there's another record somewhere that proves what it's claiming, in this case a record that only Fukino has seen.
Originally posted by aptness
Doesn’t change the fact that a certification has to confirm what the original records represent, otherwise it wouldn’t be a certification now would it?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Correction: He provided a certification.
Is there any evidence that those people on category 2 would get Hawaii listed as their birth place? Have any citations of Hawaiian statutes for that? Or am I supposed to take WND’s word for it?
Originally posted by IamCorrect
Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands.
Thanks for posting that interview. While parts of it are consistent with public knowledge, other parts are hearsay and have to be treated accordingly, however, it does sound reasonably credible and has some interesting revelations which you mention.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Obama story about Hawaii past and lost birth certificate
Abercrombie , says there is no birth-certificate, according to his friend, says his first memory of Obama was about 6 or seven years of age, I thought he knew him since birth.
Radio interview
Originally posted by aptness
Is there any evidence that those people on category 2 would get Hawaii listed as their birth place? Have any citations of Hawaiian statutes for that? Or am I supposed to take WND’s word for it?
Originally posted by IamCorrect
Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands.
He is apparently talking about Sun Yat-sen. The birth certificate, found here was issued in 1904, half a century before Hawaii was a state. And in any event, the document clearly states “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” That doesn’t really help your theory that certificate and certification are different and only the certificate has the ‘right’ information, does it?
Originally posted by IamCorrect
Yes, there is evidence. In the first 65 seconds of the following clip, Dr. Jerome Corsi explains this, and even gives an example of a famous person who was not born in Hawaii and yet was given a short form birth certificate.
First, you point out the document was from a different era.
Originally posted by aptness
He is apparently talking about Sun Yat-sen. The birth certificate, found here was issued in 1904, half a century before Hawaii was a state. And in any event, the document clearly states “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” That doesn’t really help your theory that certificate and certification are different and only the certificate has the ‘right’ information, does it?
Originally posted by IamCorrect
Yes, there is evidence. In the first 65 seconds of the following clip, Dr. Jerome Corsi explains this, and even gives an example of a famous person who was not born in Hawaii and yet was given a short form birth certificate.
I’m not even talking about a doctor’s signature. Yes I point out it’s from a different era because how reasonable it is that when Hawaii became a state its laws and statutes remained unaltered?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
As you pointed out, it's from a different era, so it doesn't have the same information as a 1961 Kapiolani birth certificate would have, like doctor's signature.
So I guess you birthers should add the claim that Barack Obama is at least one year older than he says he is, huh?
The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.
No need to invoke that program. He could be less than a year old if they reported a home birth.
Originally posted by aptness
So I guess you birthers should add the claim that Barack Obama is at least one year older than he says he is, huh?
Originally posted by RestingInPieces
For this "conspiracy" to be remotely true, it assumes that the government isn't capable of creating a fake birth certificate and planting it wherever they need to.
I guess all of the government resources are tied up on UFO reverse-engineering, chem-trials, mind control, 9/11 covering up, and the lizard overlords keeping their human shape? (I heard it takes a lot of concentration).
They must just not have enough left to forge a piece of paper.