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South Carolina NAACP rally covers statue of George Washington to not offend anybody

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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by baked
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Your more than welcome to meet me on Storm Front, and we can discuss this further.



Oh, you are one of those...




posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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Storm Front, eh? Why ever would you want to move our "discussion" (your word, not mine) there?
Let me guess: your posts there receive great acclaim, yes?
Tell you what... head over there & wait for me... I'm sure you know the rest of this old joke, right?

edit on 1/19/11 by BuzzCory because: Searched Storm Front since last post. Had to, since I don't frequent sites like that.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Touche That's a good one. The only thing that coinage does is show how it trivializes the very people whose faces are upon it. All become loose change!



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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No matter the purpose the idea of surrounding a statue with a bown box is ridiculous and looks foolish to anyone. It shows lack of education, lack of purpose, lack of integrity from the body that is standing around it. It is an insult only to themselves that they would ever allow themselves to look as though they are not grateful to their own heritage as "free" Americans. It is not going to hurt the image of George Washington to anyone but their own children who will inherit this obvious lack of "good manners and decency". It says that the confederate states are still in turmoil about American history.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by LiteraryOneTwo
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No matter the purpose the idea of surrounding a statue with a bown box is ridiculous and looks foolish to anyone. It shows lack of education, lack of purpose, lack of integrity from the body that is standing around it. It is an insult only to themselves that they would ever allow themselves to look as though they are not grateful to their own heritage as "free" Americans. It is not going to hurt the image of George Washington to anyone but their own children who will inherit this obvious lack of "good manners and decency". It says that the confederate states are still in turmoil about American history.



Did you just say "...they are not grateful to their own heritage as "free" Americans"? I just want to point that out and let you read it again. I don't think I have to chastise you for that as you will quickly grasp the offense. I don't think any black American should be grateful to any institution of the US. You can't free somebody you caged in the first place and expect gratitude. That's like thanking the government for "letting" me walk in a national park.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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Any reparations for this or prior actions should be paid....

In cash.....

with singles....the ones with Washington's face on it



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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I'm black, and I'm grateful. In all seriousness, my people sold me. The whites didn't come steal me.

What's the big deal with blacks being proud to be American?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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The NAACP is like the anti-white klan for blacks and self hating white socialists. It just shows where the majority racism is, and the social bias against whites when they laud this gang as good, yet any white group is considered bad.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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What do you suppose would happen if there was a meeting of a large number of white people and they constructed a box to cover a statue of a Non- Caucasian historical figure, as to not offend others?

I say it would lead to an all out riot. People would be screaming --racism and prejudice--!

There should be no double standards.

While people from groups/cultures that have suffered oppression say - "All we want are equal rights”, that does not seem to be the case.
For example, women say they want to be treated as equals, but how often do we use our womanly wiles to get what we want? The answer …a lot.

It appears that a lot of people from groups that have suffered through oppression want special treatment.
Well, if someone wants to be treated the same way everyone else is, it means they have to follow all the same rules, meet all the same social expectations and stop labeling themselves.

If you do not want people to be labeled by race/heritage ...then stop labeling yourself.

If you want to be seen as a "man" and not a black, white, oriental, middle eastern "man" ...then stop separating yourselves from everyone else by identifying yourself by race.

I am not saying that individuality should not be celebrated and culture/heritage is not important ...but you can't have you cake and eat it too.

You either want to be treated as equals...just like everybody else... OR You want to use your race as a way to separate yourself from others.

You either want to be treated as equals OR you want to be a separate collective group of people that advocate for your race only.
You either want to be treated as equals OR you want to be the exception to the rule in regard to tolerance toward other races. Covering the statue of a celebrated historical figure, because he was not of the same race, while celebrating someone who died fighting for racial equality is the epitome of hypocrisy.

You either want to be treated as equals OR you believe that you are entitled to obtain/gain and ostracize others based on your race alone.

You can't promote racial equality and then demand special treatment based on your race....hypocrisy does not lead to or support equality.

I can assure you Dr. King did not give his life so the "Non-Caucasians" could use their race to separate themselves from the rest of the population.

He clearly told us what his dreams were.

He said, "…little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.”, not … black and white kids will form groups, stand on opposite sides of the swing set and scream ---we are equal--- at each other.

He said, “…little child will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”, not.... the color of a Childs skin should allow them to have special advocacy, rules, and expectable social behavior.

He said, “….sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.”, not …. Sons of former slaves will have a sense of entitlement because of former oppression and not ….Sons of former slaves and slave owners will sit at two separate but equal tables, as two separate but equal groups.

Instead of celebrating the emphasis Dr. King put on “TOGETHER”, people have zoned in on and ran with the message of “EQUALITY”. If I am not mistaken …separate but equal was the mantra of segregation.

So I have to ask, Descendants of the formerly oppressed,

….Do you understand what it is that Dr. King fought so hard and died for?
…. Do you understand the message he was trying to get across?
…..Do you realize that your behaviors are screaming …separate but equal and you are in essence segregating yourselves?
....Do you realize, by choosing to continually identify yourselves by race alone and advocating for your race only, you are undermining /undoing all the progress that Dr. King and others made?
….Do you realize that the only ones that are singling you out by race …is you?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by HoldTheBeans
I'm sure MLK is turning in his grave at the site of something like this. He had a dream but I guess the naacp doesn't carry that same dream.

"This year, the NAACP constructed a "box" to conceal the Father of His Country from view so that participants would not be offended by his presence."

Free North Carolina blog



This is public property for one thing. I love they way they hide their own racism behind these actions. I dont suppose any of them would like to have there good works rejected becouse someone found out about their own private sins. Thats what some try to do with MLK putting on as a minster but being a womanizer an adulter yet they have his statues at some churches here and there.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Anonnnnnn
What do you suppose would happen if there was a meeting of a large number of white people and they constructed a box to cover a statue of a Non- Caucasian historical figure, as to not offend others?

I say it would lead to an all out riot. People would be screaming --racism and prejudice--!

There should be no double standards.

While people from groups/cultures that have suffered oppression say - "All we want are equal rights”, that does not seem to be the case.


It intersting you should bring this up. I was at a school function last weekend. They have a life sized figure of a shawnee indian chief inside the school. The thing is the shawnee were very violent even to the other tribes they lived around. Nobody liked them much. They loved to kill, torture, burn at the stake and kidnap. They even called for the killing of every last white in north american and tried to form a union of the tribes to carry this out. Putting this guys statue up in a public place is like putting up a statue of an indian nazi. I thought how nice it would be to toss the thing in the dumpster. But there it stands as a testomony to the mythical noble red savage lie. Like whites need to publicaly venerate this racist tribalistic nut. Like we owe them something.
edit on 19-1-2011 by Logarock because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by LiteraryOneTwo
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No matter the purpose the idea of surrounding a statue with a bown box is ridiculous and looks foolish to anyone. It shows lack of education, lack of purpose, lack of integrity from the body that is standing around it. It is an insult only to themselves that they would ever allow themselves to look as though they are not grateful to their own heritage as "free" Americans. It is not going to hurt the image of George Washington to anyone but their own children who will inherit this obvious lack of "good manners and decency". It says that the confederate states are still in turmoil about American history.



Did you just say "...they are not grateful to their own heritage as "free" Americans"? I just want to point that out and let you read it again. I don't think I have to chastise you for that as you will quickly grasp the offense. I don't think any black American should be grateful to any institution of the US. You can't free somebody you caged in the first place and expect gratitude. That's like thanking the government for "letting" me walk in a national park.


Maybe you are on to something. Why should whites be greatfull for the parts played by blacks in our history? Its not like they ever did anything we couldnt have done ourselves. This is not a good direction to take this is what I am saying.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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I am not familiar with the Shawnee Indians, but that is a great example of tolerance. It seems that, at some point, something the Shawnee did supported or inspired the area; hence the statue.

While the current population might not agree with every aspect of the Shawnees past, they did not cover the statue with a box.

Tolerance and acceptance is the key to civility.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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I feel if they dont like it here they can all pack up and go back to africa.. FTW!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by LiteraryOneTwo
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No matter the purpose the idea of surrounding a statue with a bown box is ridiculous and looks foolish to anyone. It shows lack of education, lack of purpose, lack of integrity from the body that is standing around it. It is an insult only to themselves that they would ever allow themselves to look as though they are not grateful to their own heritage as "free" Americans. It is not going to hurt the image of George Washington to anyone but their own children who will inherit this obvious lack of "good manners and decency". It says that the confederate states are still in turmoil about American history.



Did you just say "...they are not grateful to their own heritage as "free" Americans"? I just want to point that out and let you read it again. I don't think I have to chastise you for that as you will quickly grasp the offense. I don't think any black American should be grateful to any institution of the US. You can't free somebody you caged in the first place and expect gratitude. That's like thanking the government for "letting" me walk in a national park.


Maybe you are on to something. Why should whites be greatfull for the parts played by blacks in our history? Its not like they ever did anything we couldnt have done ourselves. This is not a good direction to take this is what I am saying.



Except you are overlooking the one thing that makes any contribution a person could give to a society moot: HE WAS A SLAVE OWNER. That is a crime against humanity. There are tons of other white people that contributed and did not own other human beings... we are not talking about them. We are talking about a slave owner. There are tons of black slave traders on the west coast (which I hear plenty of you wetting yourselves to mention) and they are just as bad, true. But we don't have statues honoring them for MLK day, either. You can think of less worthy people all day but it doesn't make it relevant. If Mr. Carver happened to own slaves when he invented peanut butter, I'd be just as quick to say we shouldn't have PB&J sandwiches on days we celebrate civil rights.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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I hear what you are saying. But in their case it has more to do with historic representaion and the white mans habbit of respecting his old enimies even to the point of myth. Very few folks know the history as it is not tought or edited so its eay to pass these old killers off as part of a romantic past. The shawnee were very very bad people. They killed any indian chief even of other local tribes that didnt want to make war with the whites.

Now if it were a cherokee statue that would be another story. Or Delaware.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo


Except you are overlooking the one thing that makes any contribution a person could give to a society moot: HE WAS A SLAVE OWNER. That is a crime against humanity. There are tons of other white people that contributed and did not own other human beings... we are not talking about them. We are talking about a slave owner. There are tons of black slave traders on the west coast (which I hear plenty of you wetting yourselves to mention) and they are just as bad, true. But we don't have statues honoring them for MLK day, either. You can think of less worthy people all day but it doesn't make it relevant. If Mr. Carver happened to own slaves when he invented peanut butter, I'd be just as quick to say we shouldn't have PB&J sandwiches on days we celebrate civil rights.


I wouldnt stop eating PB&J even if Carver had slaves.

I lived down south here and there and loved watermelon but had a few words from blacks about it. I understand where they are coming from but they should forget the "stigma" even if whites made it hard for them down there. Blacks should serve mellon at these public functions as sort of an in your face statment rather than the other.

But yea washington was a slave holder. He was born into it and had the same problems if any with shaking that idea just as black had years of trying to shake the effects in their own mind. Maybe what we see here is a war still going on in thier mind like the one I have with any shawnee indian statue.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by countrytruck
I feel if they dont like it here they can all pack up and go back to africa.. FTW!!!!!!!!!!!


Yea thats deep there bumpkin. Did you just get back from a klan meeting?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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True and that is the huge issue with many of these groups. They have no interest in doing what they pledge they are all about. They are all about power and using the stereotypes of the past to further their cause. No different than politics, because these groups are all about politics. You rarely see people like Rev. Sharpton telling people to move past racism. In fact you see hypocrisy first hand. Rev. Sharpton would be one of the first to fuel to fires of racism if he felt it will help him promote his agenda and get him some face time on TV. Same with Jackson.

It has always puzzled me why the black community looks to these leaders when they are, in fact, keeping many in the black community in the same mindset that they claim to rally against. My dream is that the black community would stop looking to these leaders as their mouthpiece. If we are to ever get past racism, then keeping people in the mindset of racism is never going to get us there.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Didnt Obama have some melon at the white house when he met with the cop and the college professor? Like saying look at me now fool. lol



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