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Chinese Troops Deploying In North Korea

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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by Pervius
Everyone thinks a "Red Dawn" defense tactic would work if China comes for us.

If they stop the ships sending supplies to America's Walmarts....game over.

They are holding a good poker hand. We aren't. I truly believe we were set up to fail. This whole "free trade" and sending all the factories from America to China....

Was a ploy by Europe to profit...even if in the end we cease being a country. Our elite were likely promised large sums and a nice home in Dubai. After the smoke clears they were promised the ability to walk into America and buy whats left for pennies.

We were set up for failure. If you all aren't seeing it yer pretty naive. There's no steel mills in America anymore. Without Chinese imports we couldn't build replacement military hardware/ships/ or sustain what we have.

We're either led by fools or we were set up to fail for someones benefit.


China's economy depends on trade. Really? , they are no threat. Nor do they hold all the cards. Unless you exclusively buy goods and services from China, which no one does except you it seems. They one people that will be affected in you. If war happened now, the only thing China has on their side are sheer number and nukes. I can guarantee you, Nothing floats, nothing fly's, without America knowing about it. Red Dawn would never happen.




posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by glome
reply to post by getreadyalready
 


This is very reasoned analysis. China is trying, as is their right, to assert more influence on the region and in the world stage. They would undo the last decade of success by allowing NK to pick a fight with SK (one of China's largest trading partners), alienating Japan, the US and the West.

When a small country like NK allows a larger power to have a military presence within its borders there should be some concern that the larger power is there to influence things to their benefit. China is not going to tag team up with NK to fight some ideological war against capitalism. The Chinese government would not be able to survive such a miscalculated decision- their people would overthrow the government once the economy crashed.


Very well said.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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reply to post by VI0811
 


Who can make war with the 'beast'?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by purplemer
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As others have said, there will never be an invasion of the US mainland. Not unless they first take away all the privately owned guns.


lolz you reckon that you sitting at home playing rambo with your little guns is a real mattch against a trained army that outnumbers you a thousand to one


Once again, In this day and age, you can no longer sneak around the world trying to invade countries with sheer numbers. Once again, China is not looking for war.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by purplemer
 


#1. there are 200 million armed Americans, nobody can mount an invading force of 200 million.
#2. a large number of those 200 million are capable of much more than "playing rambo."
#3. it is expensive and tactically disadvantageous to fight an enemy far from your own resources.

200 million armed Americans, plus our regular military, on our home turf, with technological advantages, and with much survival and military training is a significant force to reckon with.

The fact is, nobody will invade the US, and the US won't invade any major power like China. All future wars will be done by proxy in places like Korea and the Middle East. They will be fought as a means of commerce and diplomacy. The US, Russia, EU, and China will never face off head to head. There is too much to lose and very little to gain. It is much more profitable to start skirmishes in smaller areas, and then support both sides while negotiating behind the scenes to split up the regions resources and rebuilding contracts.


I agree, another flaw in thinking is that what ever moves on this planet or in near space, will not go undetected by our technology, Plus, this is not what China wants ...



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Ben81
US have win against small countries who were no match for the US army



Well Russia didn't do too hot in Afghanistan or China in Vietnam in 1979 either.

So whats your point?


War agenda;s are not always about going to war. Just because Russia's spout in Afghanistan didn't go well, doesn't mean they didn't obtain their goal, who said their goal was war, who says our goal is war in either Irag or other. Agenda;s aren't always they seem. If we actually went to all out war, well, ....



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by aching_knuckles
 


This is a common delusion that is suffered by many.. Do you think we couldn't flatten the entire country? We are to worried about public opinion.. If this war was just about body counts and old school "winning" This would have been over long ago.. So before you jump on the "getting our asses kicked in the middle east"... Know, it is by choice that we are still there.. If our mission was to stop all beating hearts... This would have been over within months.. Period!


Very Well said



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by LanMan54
reply to post by VI0811
 


Who can make war with the 'beast'?


? really? Are we talking reality or are we now going to go into the realm of make believe ?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Do you know anything about hunting? Stalking a deer, that has SUPER senses??? Duck hunting, shooting a flying target from 50 yards?? Close your ignorant mouth and move to a thread where your negative attitude will be accepted..

I could give you a rifle and stick you in the woods, I would bet my family Jewels, you and your arrogant attitude would come home EMPTY handed..

Do you think deer are stupid? I could easily feed my family for YEARS with a rifle and 50 rounds.. Give me a fishing pole and I wouldn't need walmart for food..

I have squirl hunted with a ruger 22 for nearly 20 years.... At roughly 15 years old, my uncle smacked me in the head for a body shot on a squirrel.... Body shot ruins 1/2 of the usable meat.. I have not made that same mistake again..

Lets see you hit a moving squirrel in the head... 200+ times.. Can you hit a deer on a dead run with a slug?

I will repeat myself.. The world DOES NOT want to see America and Americans fighting for true survival !!
It will be a hell that nobody to date has witnessed!



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Lansky
Go fight ur heart out for freedom or whatever floats your boat if you are inclined to..

I'll be the guy appreciating your girlfriend or wife while you are sleeping in mud ducking bullets :-)


Don't be mad now. You know when 20 soldiers appreciated your mother.
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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by djtek
 


Do you know anything about hunting? Stalking a deer, that has SUPER senses??? Duck hunting, shooting a flying target from 50 yards?? Close your ignorant mouth and move to a thread where your negative attitude will be accepted..

I could give you a rifle and stick you in the woods, I would bet my family Jewels, you and your arrogant attitude would come home EMPTY handed..

Do you think deer are stupid? I could easily feed my family for YEARS with a rifle and 50 rounds.. Give me a fishing pole and I wouldn't need walmart for food..

I have squirl hunted with a ruger 22 for nearly 20 years.... At roughly 15 years old, my uncle smacked me in the head for a body shot on a squirrel.... Body shot ruins 1/2 of the usable meat.. I have not made that same mistake again..

Lets see you hit a moving squirrel in the head... 200+ times.. Can you hit a deer on a dead run with a slug?

I will repeat myself.. The world DOES NOT want to see America and Americans fighting for true survival !!
It will be a hell that nobody to date has witnessed!



I grew up the same way and totally agree with you ... Good post ..



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Whats that Oozy? Finding blame on the US in ANY situation.. Black, have you ever had a positive thought? Seems that pure anti-american BS constantly..

Make sure you blame the US 4 more times today... Get that quota!



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Correction...

52 million of American households owning 260 million guns).

Read more: wiki.answers.com...



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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I didn't even mention my families "alternative" Rabbit hunting method.. As my father did, I have never hunted rabbits with anything other than a 22 cal. My 12 year old has taken 20+ rabbits on the run with a 22, a feat that I GUARANTEE you could not do. (I mean the doubters, not you VI0811)

When hunting we always took the "hard" road.. I too feel it is too easy to hunt as most do.. I mostly deer hunt with a bow - I turkey hunt with a bow - We do not bait -

You should go to a gun show in Michigan... We aren't talking shotguns and pistols.. There are hundreds of thousands of assault rifles in Michigan alone.. I would assume that most Michigan gun owners are better equipped than the average Chinese soldier.
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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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So what Ben.

Doesn't really matter.

Kim's son is a pussy cat.

If he even flinches he will be shower with tomahawks.

China is not as big as she thinks she is.

Just as china advances in tech so do we.

We are still 10 years a head of them strategically.

The eagle and the dragon may some day dance but neither you or I will be around to see it so don't worry.

By the was the eagle would kick the dragons ass.

They have no way of feeding that many people and the people would turn on their goveernemnt.

I have been to China and have worked close with the Chinese.

Though many are happy with the western way of life coming there way. Lets not forgett the fact that the money only flows uphill. The poor and lower class are still brutally oppressed by the goverment.

Over here in the US they are taking all the middle calss money and giving it all to welfare and to illiegals.

the I'm for taking care of an american who has lost his job and cannot provide for his family.

I'm not for just shellling out blank checks and debit card to be used at the casinos.

If you draw Us funds you take a drug test.

How can you be on welfare and drive a lexus SUV.

How can this be.

Go aorund and look at any other poor nation.

Their people are startving.

Look at our poor they are driving around in navigators and escalades and fatting out. Then they go to walmart and ride those disabled people cars.

Listen fatty if you were walking around you would not need that thing to begin with.

Sorry saw some lady get on one the other day because she was so fat she could hardly walf.

Get you fat ass off teh couch and lay off the wendies, tacobell, KFC burger king.

Go down to the grocery store and buy some real food.

Chicken,
Steak
Fresh Veggies

You wonder why people are so fat look at the stuff you put in your mouths.

Go into your local Mc D's and look at the people in there. One word.

SUPERSIZEME

What the hell.

That was after they wacked a coffe roll at dunkies with a super size collata or large ice coffe.

Hell the coffe alone with all thet cream has as many calories as your whole days intac.

Listen.

If your fat and unactive and take in 8000 calories and burn off about 500 that suspesize diet sodea is not going to help.

Sorry lost where I was going...
RB



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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The *supesize* diet soda is better then a regular one... That does help to a degree. I see where your coming from it is like a smoker who smokes *lights* and think it makes a difference. It does a little bit will it keep you from dying no.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by djtek

Originally posted by SLAYER69

We have the largest percentage of privately owned firearms and presently the most experienced vets. They'd have to get past our active military then past our National home defense then deal with the most heavily armed civilian populace on the planet.

That's if of course we didn't nuke them first. Besides why would China or the US want to turn Canada into a massive battleground? Because that's where it would be fought most likely in their conventional invasion.

US resistance would make Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan look like a side show........


I would place my bet any day on a chinese soldier against a starbucks drinking, iphone tweeting douchebag who thinks he knows how to shoot a gun because he plays call of duty. In all honesty, the majority of the private american citizens would cower in fear in their basements if there was an invasion and you know it.

You watch too much Hollywood or something. For every feeble minded American that would cower in a basement during an invasion there are a hundred who will take up the arms that they already own and defend their country.

I have an 11 year old girl that can shoot a 4" group at 150yds, she plans on being a sniper in the military and I can assure you that if she thought you was a threat she would not hesitate one second before she turned your head into a hollow cavity..

I would 't sit here and spew all this garbage about who would win vs USA and China, or anyone for that matter. Hopefully we will never find out. But you are seriously underestimating Americans if you think we are all fat, lazy chicken#s.

Sorry for any spelling, grammar errors, I'm posting from my Iphone..



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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DOOM AND GLOOM!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, OR China has had enough of NK's B.S. and is finally about to take control of Kim and his carelessness.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by getreadyalready
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China is definitely not "THE" superpower. Their cutting edge weapons being unveiled have finally caught up with our 20 year old common technology, and despite popular opinion we don't owe them a very large percentage of our national debt. We owe the vast majority of it to ourselves, and after that Japan ranks #1. On top of all that, North Korea already had the largest standing army in the world, so a few more Chinese infantrymen really makes no difference, and our Carrier groups do not care how many men are on the ground, because they are 100 miles offshore lobbing million dollar weapons at their targets.


It depend on how you see someone fit the superpower word ..

China his the Top1 ranked army in the world dont forget that..
they have Nukes and many other big arsenal at their disposition
sorry but the USA will be no match vs China even vs NK alone the us would have trouble

Irak and Afghanistan ...2 decades wars that are still flaming ... the USA army cannot afford another war
and they know it ... thats why the next wars will be so destructive and will piss off many people since only missiles and big nukes will be used ...no troops lost this time

Nagasaki and Hiroshima happen why no one banned the us to have nukes EVER .. now they have around 6000 thousand .. ready to blow earth if they loose

but can we agree that the US is searching trouble ... so arrogant for nothing .. only the worst can happen now


The word WAR is misused a lot. Iraq and Afghanistan is a small conflict and not a true WAR. Sure this is precisely the reason there are more casualties than expected (due to guerilla and urban conflicts). Ever heard the term 'All Out War'? If we had to engage the enemy with the rules of true WAR, then it would have been over a long time ago (atleast with Afghanistan and Iraq). However we are more into surgical strikes (though at times civilians are victims with several non-surgical strikes). If an all out war is to occur similar to WWII? then it will be a different outcome. Moreoever numbers and models mean nothing. Its the true performance and tests of the weapons and their accuracy is what determines the true threat. Most of the chinese military hardware is either manufactured under license or from stolen blue prints or copyright infringement of other countries. I'm sure there might be in-house developed weaponry. Most of the countries around the world spend a lot of money to test their weaponry before considering them War Worthy. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the staggering numbers that many countries post to display the might. Even IRAQ posted several staggering numbers before the conflict and so did USSR before its collapse.
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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Ben81
 


We can certainly agree that the US is in plenty of places it doesn't belong, and that it does a far better job of making enemies than friends. I am not at all happy with our foreign policy.

As for the strengths of militaries though, I believe novices such as ourselves vastly underestimate the level of technology that is available to many countries, but especially the US. Most classified tech doesn't become common knowledge until 25 years after its tactical advantage was realized. Therefore, since B2 and Joint Stealth Fighters are common knowledge, we have to assume there is something at least 25 years advanced from those platforms. Space-based weapons and kinetic weapons are theorized and likely already in use.

The reason nobody sought to stop the proliferation of US weapons, is because nobody had the power to do so. Nobody in the world wants the US as an enemy. Even the old USSR could only counter our military prowess by the "mutual destruction" doctrine. They produced enough nuclear weapons to destroy the whole world and then they rigged a dead man's switch so that the US would be assured of mutual destruction if we attempted to go to war with them. This was their only option at the time, because they could not match our technology.

World Wars are a thing of the past. The military technology of the US is so far superior to the rest of the world that nobody dares challenge it. The atrocities that the US gets away with are evidence of the intimidation factor. Very few countries even risk criticizing the US. China is no exception. As long as China doesn't fear an invasion of their homeland, they will never risk making such a powerful enemy. The only thing that keeps the US military in check is the US greed! We use surgical strikes and urban warfare to give the impression that we care about civilians and keep our trading partners pacified. We don't use 5% of our destructive capability.


Precisely. I just read your post after having posted a response to someone ahead. Since there are no more wars, its the conflicts that keep the military industrial complex lubed. We barely use the true capabilities for urban conflicts.



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