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Originally posted by Pervius
Everyone thinks a "Red Dawn" defense tactic would work if China comes for us.
If they stop the ships sending supplies to America's Walmarts....game over.
They are holding a good poker hand. We aren't. I truly believe we were set up to fail. This whole "free trade" and sending all the factories from America to China....
Was a ploy by Europe to profit...even if in the end we cease being a country. Our elite were likely promised large sums and a nice home in Dubai. After the smoke clears they were promised the ability to walk into America and buy whats left for pennies.
We were set up for failure. If you all aren't seeing it yer pretty naive. There's no steel mills in America anymore. Without Chinese imports we couldn't build replacement military hardware/ships/ or sustain what we have.
We're either led by fools or we were set up to fail for someones benefit.
Originally posted by glome
reply to post by getreadyalready
This is very reasoned analysis. China is trying, as is their right, to assert more influence on the region and in the world stage. They would undo the last decade of success by allowing NK to pick a fight with SK (one of China's largest trading partners), alienating Japan, the US and the West.
When a small country like NK allows a larger power to have a military presence within its borders there should be some concern that the larger power is there to influence things to their benefit. China is not going to tag team up with NK to fight some ideological war against capitalism. The Chinese government would not be able to survive such a miscalculated decision- their people would overthrow the government once the economy crashed.
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread652457/pg1#pid103597
As others have said, there will never be an invasion of the US mainland. Not unless they first take away all the privately owned guns.
lolz you reckon that you sitting at home playing rambo with your little guns is a real mattch against a trained army that outnumbers you a thousand to one
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by purplemer
#1. there are 200 million armed Americans, nobody can mount an invading force of 200 million.
#2. a large number of those 200 million are capable of much more than "playing rambo."
#3. it is expensive and tactically disadvantageous to fight an enemy far from your own resources.
200 million armed Americans, plus our regular military, on our home turf, with technological advantages, and with much survival and military training is a significant force to reckon with.
The fact is, nobody will invade the US, and the US won't invade any major power like China. All future wars will be done by proxy in places like Korea and the Middle East. They will be fought as a means of commerce and diplomacy. The US, Russia, EU, and China will never face off head to head. There is too much to lose and very little to gain. It is much more profitable to start skirmishes in smaller areas, and then support both sides while negotiating behind the scenes to split up the regions resources and rebuilding contracts.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by Ben81
US have win against small countries who were no match for the US army
Well Russia didn't do too hot in Afghanistan or China in Vietnam in 1979 either.
So whats your point?
Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by aching_knuckles
This is a common delusion that is suffered by many.. Do you think we couldn't flatten the entire country? We are to worried about public opinion.. If this war was just about body counts and old school "winning" This would have been over long ago.. So before you jump on the "getting our asses kicked in the middle east"... Know, it is by choice that we are still there.. If our mission was to stop all beating hearts... This would have been over within months.. Period!
Originally posted by LanMan54
reply to post by VI0811
Who can make war with the 'beast'?
Originally posted by Lansky
Go fight ur heart out for freedom or whatever floats your boat if you are inclined to..
I'll be the guy appreciating your girlfriend or wife while you are sleeping in mud ducking bullets :-)
Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by djtek
Do you know anything about hunting? Stalking a deer, that has SUPER senses??? Duck hunting, shooting a flying target from 50 yards?? Close your ignorant mouth and move to a thread where your negative attitude will be accepted..
I could give you a rifle and stick you in the woods, I would bet my family Jewels, you and your arrogant attitude would come home EMPTY handed..
Do you think deer are stupid? I could easily feed my family for YEARS with a rifle and 50 rounds.. Give me a fishing pole and I wouldn't need walmart for food..
I have squirl hunted with a ruger 22 for nearly 20 years.... At roughly 15 years old, my uncle smacked me in the head for a body shot on a squirrel.... Body shot ruins 1/2 of the usable meat.. I have not made that same mistake again..
Lets see you hit a moving squirrel in the head... 200+ times.. Can you hit a deer on a dead run with a slug?
I will repeat myself.. The world DOES NOT want to see America and Americans fighting for true survival !!
It will be a hell that nobody to date has witnessed!
52 million of American households owning 260 million guns).
Read more: wiki.answers.com...
Originally posted by djtek
Originally posted by SLAYER69
We have the largest percentage of privately owned firearms and presently the most experienced vets. They'd have to get past our active military then past our National home defense then deal with the most heavily armed civilian populace on the planet.
That's if of course we didn't nuke them first. Besides why would China or the US want to turn Canada into a massive battleground? Because that's where it would be fought most likely in their conventional invasion.
US resistance would make Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan look like a side show........
I would place my bet any day on a chinese soldier against a starbucks drinking, iphone tweeting douchebag who thinks he knows how to shoot a gun because he plays call of duty. In all honesty, the majority of the private american citizens would cower in fear in their basements if there was an invasion and you know it.
Originally posted by Ben81
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Ben81
China is definitely not "THE" superpower. Their cutting edge weapons being unveiled have finally caught up with our 20 year old common technology, and despite popular opinion we don't owe them a very large percentage of our national debt. We owe the vast majority of it to ourselves, and after that Japan ranks #1. On top of all that, North Korea already had the largest standing army in the world, so a few more Chinese infantrymen really makes no difference, and our Carrier groups do not care how many men are on the ground, because they are 100 miles offshore lobbing million dollar weapons at their targets.
It depend on how you see someone fit the superpower word ..
China his the Top1 ranked army in the world dont forget that..
they have Nukes and many other big arsenal at their disposition
sorry but the USA will be no match vs China even vs NK alone the us would have trouble
Irak and Afghanistan ...2 decades wars that are still flaming ... the USA army cannot afford another war
and they know it ... thats why the next wars will be so destructive and will piss off many people since only missiles and big nukes will be used ...no troops lost this time
Nagasaki and Hiroshima happen why no one banned the us to have nukes EVER .. now they have around 6000 thousand .. ready to blow earth if they loose
but can we agree that the US is searching trouble ... so arrogant for nothing .. only the worst can happen now
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Ben81
We can certainly agree that the US is in plenty of places it doesn't belong, and that it does a far better job of making enemies than friends. I am not at all happy with our foreign policy.
As for the strengths of militaries though, I believe novices such as ourselves vastly underestimate the level of technology that is available to many countries, but especially the US. Most classified tech doesn't become common knowledge until 25 years after its tactical advantage was realized. Therefore, since B2 and Joint Stealth Fighters are common knowledge, we have to assume there is something at least 25 years advanced from those platforms. Space-based weapons and kinetic weapons are theorized and likely already in use.
The reason nobody sought to stop the proliferation of US weapons, is because nobody had the power to do so. Nobody in the world wants the US as an enemy. Even the old USSR could only counter our military prowess by the "mutual destruction" doctrine. They produced enough nuclear weapons to destroy the whole world and then they rigged a dead man's switch so that the US would be assured of mutual destruction if we attempted to go to war with them. This was their only option at the time, because they could not match our technology.
World Wars are a thing of the past. The military technology of the US is so far superior to the rest of the world that nobody dares challenge it. The atrocities that the US gets away with are evidence of the intimidation factor. Very few countries even risk criticizing the US. China is no exception. As long as China doesn't fear an invasion of their homeland, they will never risk making such a powerful enemy. The only thing that keeps the US military in check is the US greed! We use surgical strikes and urban warfare to give the impression that we care about civilians and keep our trading partners pacified. We don't use 5% of our destructive capability.