Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
I'll say it over and over and over to everyone that I know UNTIL THEY GET IT. If just one person is adversely affected by a vaccine, then it is unsafe
I suspect some people ARE adversely affected by vaccines. About 1% of kids are exempted from getting them for medical reasons (and about 2%
for non-medical reasons) as there are certain conditions known to make getting the vaccinations less safe according to this interesting article:
How Safe Are Vaccines?
So I agree with you no vaccine is completely safe.
However, which is less safe? Getting the vaccine? Or not getting the vaccine? Have you considered that? For example:
When diseases like polio ran free in the early 1900s, the clamor was less about why we needed vaccines than about why there weren't more of them.
Once you've seen your neighbor's toddler become paralyzed, you're a lot more likely to worry that the same thing will happen to yours. "The fact is,"
says Offit, "young mothers today never grew up with the disease."
What worries him and others is that young mothers of tomorrow will—and that could be disastrous. CDC officials estimate that fully vaccinating all
U.S. children born in a given year from birth to adolescence saves 33,000 lives, prevents 14 million infections and saves $10 billion in medical
costs. Part of the reason is that the vaccinations protect not only the kids who receive the shots but also those who can't receive them—such as
newborns and cancer patients with suppressed immune systems. These vulnerable folks depend on riding the so-called herd-immunity effect. The higher
the immunization rate in any population, the less likely that a pathogen will penetrate the group and find a susceptible person inside. As
immunization rates drop, that protection grows thinner. That's what happened in the current measles outbreaks in the western U.S., and that's what
happened in Nigeria in 2001, when religious and political leaders convinced parents that polio vaccines were dangerous and their kids should not
receive them. Over the next six years, not only did Nigerian infection rates increase 30-fold, but the disease also broke free and ranged out to 10
other countries, many of which had previously been polio-free.
Polio should really be a thing of the past but why do we see an outbreak of polio?
Because of not getting vaccinated against polio.
And cherry-picking vaccines can be a scary proposition too:
Some parents have taken to cherry-picking vaccines, leaving out only the shots they believe their children don't need—such as those for chicken
pox and hepatitis B—and keeping up with what they see as the life-or-death ones. But that can be a high-stakes game, as Kelly Lacek, a Pennsylvania
mother of three, learned. She stopped vaccinating her 2-month-old son Matthew when her chiropractor raised questions about mercury in the shots. Three
years later, she came home to find the little boy feverish and gasping for breath. Emergency-room doctors couldn't find the cause—until one
experienced physician finally asked the right question. "He took one look at Matthew and asked me if he was fully vaccinated," says Lacek. "I said
no." It turned out Matthew had been infected with Hib, bacteria that causes meningitis, swelling of the airway and, in severe cases, swelling of the
brain tissue. After relying on a breathing tube for several days, Matthew recovered without any neurological effects, and a grateful Lacek immediately
got him and his siblings up to date on their immunizations. "I am angry that people are promoting not getting vaccinated and messing with people's
lives like that," she now says.
So yes some people are aware of the risks of getting vaccines and choose to not get them for their kids, like
Unfortunately, while people were hyping up the risks of getting the vaccines, nobody told her about the risks of not getting the vaccines. Her child
almost died because she didn't understand those risks.
Also mentioned in that article is a follow-up on the mercury based thimerosol additive which was omitted from vaccines, but no change in the incidence
of autism was observed in the recipients of the thimerosol-free vaccines to demonstrate that any harm was being caused by the thimerosol.
thimerosal-free formulations of the five inoculations that included it—hepatitis B, diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis and some versions of
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)—had replaced the older versions. The result was a drop in mercury exposure in fully immunized 6-month-old babies
from 187.5 micrograms to just trace amounts still found in some flu vaccines. Yet there's been no effect on autism rates. In the seven years since the
cleaned-up vaccines were introduced, new cases of autism continue to climb, reaching a rate of 1 in every 150 8-year-olds today. That trend suggests
that other factors, including heightened awareness of the condition and possible genetic anomalies or environmental exposures, are behind the climbing
So something may have been causing autism, but it apparently wasn't thimerosol.
I think the risks of getting or not getting vaccines need to be carefully weighed, and if the child isn't completely healthy then getting the child a
medical exemption from the vaccination requirement may be the most prudent course of action in those cases. But people need to be aware of the risks
of NOT getting vaccines in addition to the risks of getting them, and that story apparently didn't get told to Kelly Lacek and many others,
If you research this, look at both sides, the risks of getting vaccinations, as well as the risks of NOT getting them, not just one side or the other.
Originally posted by pianopraze
The evidence was incontrovertible from the 70's - here is but one article:
If I apply that standard of evidence, I can say I got my car tuned
up and 2 days later I was in a car accident, therefore the tune-up obviously caused the accident. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. If the mechanic doing
the tune-up forgot to put a screw back in the right place and that was the cause of the accident then yes the tune-up was the cause. But without
finding that link, it's just as reasonable to conclude, maybe even more reasonable to say that the accident wasn't caused by the tuneup, that there
was just a coincidence of timing. I think some illnesses occurring after vaccinations may be similarly misinterpreted. Because sometimes kids get
sick, even when they haven't been vaccinated, right? Just like sometimes people get in car accidents even when they haven't just had their car tuned
However, that's not to say all vaccinations are completely safe. I think some children should get medical exemptions from vaccinations when there are
known risks associated with the child's condition. That article discusses some examples but your doctor should make that call.
18-1-2011 by Arbitrageur because: clarification