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Exclusive: DoJ veteran sees 'dangerous precedent' in letting Bush officials walk

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Exclusive: DoJ veteran sees 'dangerous precedent' in letting Bush officials walk


www.rawstory.com

The 20-year DOJ veteran also criticized the administration's refusal to investigate or prosecute any serious criminal activities from the Bush-era, such as sanctioning the waterboarding of military detainees and directing the political firings of US Attorneys. These “at a minimum deserve complete investigation,” he said.

The Obama administration’s excuse “to look forward and not backward” fails to fulfill the agency’s “duty” to investigate, he said -- a charge that includes “any federal office holder who violates the Constitution or federal law."

(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Yep-yep.

The problem herein lies though, that they are commiting many of the same policies and war crimes THEMSELVES, so why would they have any incentive to go after the previous criminals?

Let's just see, the list of things that Dubya and Insaney should be behind bars for:

1-Outing a CIA agent

2-Illegal wiretapping and spying on Americans

3-Endlessly lieing to march us into the Iraq invasion.

4-Authorizing Torture.

Those are a few crimes right off the top that should be investigated, but as we can see, with the current admin sticking their fingers in their ears and going, "la-la-la...we can't hear you citizens", and continuing right on with the wars that nearly 70% of the population has wanted to end for some time now, the continuance of things like Guantanamo prison, and holding detainees indefinitely without trial, etc., it looks highly doubtful that one group of criminals will hold another accountable.

And so the band marches on. Ugh.

www.rawstory.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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I think you are misunderstanding. The future is already paved on these matters. Why investigate something that is to become law?

There is no desire to investigate the previous administration, because it is no different than the current administration. The only difference is the names and faces, but not the ideology.

When the pieces don't fit into the desired image of he future, they are discarded and forgotten.

Your disapproval has already been calculated to be insufficient to promote real change. Noted, and forgotten.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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It's great to see someone like this speaking out. These moments of sanity are food for the soul!

The government should investigate this, and press charges where relevant, but how often does a government ever do that? But private citizens could press charges....Bush, for example, has been advised not to travel to Europe because he could be arrested as a result of some private citizens pressing charges. Much, much harder for private individuals to do, but not impossible.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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Heh, no I am not misunderstanding. I KNOW that's the reason they are not pursuing charges or investigation.

They are carrying on all of the same criminality, and actually voted FOR many of the previous admin's criminality, so they are basically co-conspiritors in war and treason crimes alongside side Chimpy and Darth.

I do feel the only way ANY of these folks will ever be investigated or charged will be via the Hague.


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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by sbctinfantry
 


Heh, no I am not misunderstanding. I KNOW that's the reason they are not pursing charges or investigation.

They are carrying on all of the same criminality, and actually voted FOR many of the previous admin's criminality, so they are basically co-conspiritors in war and treason crimes alongside side Chimpy and Darth.

I do feel the only way ANY of these folks will ever be investigated or charged will be via the Hague.



You are misunderstanding why this man came forward. He came forward to present the issue for public debate, such as this, in order to remove the threat.

People will talk about it, realize they have no power in the matter, and the matter is dropped. Consider it moving an obstacle to the future aside, for the 'greater good'.

Short Form : This is a disinfo agent.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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Senator Kucinich introduced 35 articles of impeachment for George Bush, to the Senate in June 2008. The Senate voted to refer it to the judiciary committee....and the committee basically sat on it and took no action.

en.wikipedia.org...

Such is the corruption...in the DOJ as well as elsewhere.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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The truth is that it would set a far more dangerous precedent to prosecute and while the present administration is in fact as you pointed out, continuing to further many of these crimes, the real crime to them, is if people working for the government in a high capacity actually learned to believe that they could be prosecuted for 'following orders' and might stop when these insane things are pushed down the line for them to excecute.

Government would suddenly have no choice but to develop a concious as the people drawing regular paychecks from it realized that they could be held criminally liabel for the amoral and illegal things that the government authorizes and permits itself to do, it would never allow a regular citizen to do.

People who work for the government would start saying no, I won't drop that bomb, I won't torture that person, I won't review these conversations gotten through an illegal wiretap, I won't grope that little old ladies genitals etc.

It would be a disaster of the highest order, so they pay lip service to the fact that most of us with any type of conscious consider these things to be crimes, and anyone with any real intelligence knows these things don't benefit the people and just the government and pretend like wow there is just something zanny afoot that no one is pursuing these things.

The truth is they have never pursued the crimes of a past administration and it's high ranking officials ever and they never will because it would cause people to independently think and disobey and not go along with the chain of command.

It would actually gulp, make government honest and give it back to the people, by making the people who serve in it, human and not untouchable, subject to the same laws and procedures the rest of us are.

We couldn't have that could we? But we can have these stories that get out in the press that give us all hope that one day criminals will start holding their fellow criminals and selves to account. Sadly it's a false hope that ignores the underlying very real reasons they don't and never do prosecute these crimes.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Obviously, this 20 year veteran of the DOJ is a pinko commie socialist that hates freedom.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Here is an excerpt from an e-mail I sent to my senators and representatives back in 2006, when it was proposed to change federal laws in order to immunize officials from prosecution:


1:01 AM 9/13/2006

The proper response to the recent statements and requests of President Bush is impeachment.

G.W. Bush asks for The War Crimes Act (US Code, Title 18, PartI, Chapter 118, Section 2441) to be retroactively repealed. Say no; rather charge him with violations. He asks that the FISA act (US Code Title 50, Chapter 36) be retroactively repealed. Say no; rather charge him with violations. He wants to use evidence obtained through torture in court proceedings. Say no.
. . .
Impeach, convict, and imprison.

I've been very upset with Obama's "Let's not look back, lets look forward" approach. I am of the opinion that he and the Attorney General be charged with obstruction of justice.

How the "Lets look forward" approach looks to me:

Setting: Criminal Court
Speaker: Defense attorney giving closing statement in a bank robbery case.

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, although I agree in the abstract that armed bank robbery is a serious offense that should be punished, only negative feelings can be achieved by looking to the past to determine if such a crime was or wasn't committed by my client. I encourage you to consider the benefits for my client and for you, the members of the jury, if we turn our attentions to building a better future. Let us all then look forward and consider how certain monies acquired by my client can best be spent by him and by you, the members of the jury."

I think that attorney would end up in jail quite quickly. I don't think politicians and political appointees should receive any other standard.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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And at the end of the day nothing will be done to bush and his merry band of warcriminals for their crimes against humanity.. The good old double standard - the u.s can do no wrong yet condemns others for far less evil deeds.. So bush and his merry maniacs will live to ripe old ages on their bloodmoney from their crimes...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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Fact is, the ``dangerous precedent`` have already been set long ago, starting from long ago. Almost all presidents in US history have committed treasonous acts and/or war crimes. A big example are Rumsfeld and Kissinger who should have had their heads cut off and put on pikes on the White House lawn a long time ago.

So... yeah...

But sure, that shouldn't stop us from prosecuting all those still alive and hanging them for treason or putting them in jail for the rest of their scummy life.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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according to obamas logic rob a bank yesterday.. look forward. don't look back//

woohoo free money.. if only



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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Got Rope?

It does a body good



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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Kudos to you for sending that in.

And yes, the "let's not look back, let's look forward" nonsense is beyond disgusting.

5,000 of our men killed, a hundred thousand + Iraqis murdered, all based upon these people's lies- But who cares, "it's time to look forward". Never mind their mass murdering, never mind their torturing, "let's look forward".

We should be embarassed as a nation for allowing our 'leaders' to get away with these crimes against humanity, year after year, with zero accountability or justice.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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As a head of state there is some immunity from the law due to the challenges of the job and stability of the nation. Once they are out of that role they are considered citizens and liable to prosecution on par with everyone else. There are some political challenges in getting the trials moving, but I cannot see any strong legal arguments to prevent such investigations and trials from taking place.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 04:36 AM
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I understand your frustration towards Obama which fouled so many Americans who actually believed he represented change. I also admire your attempt to influence the American system, as history has proven, the whole of America is designed in a way to produce the same results over and over again, change is not possible except for an outright revolution.

Those who still believe change is possible, will be proven wrong once again in the next election, or the next letter they send to their representatives, or the next protest they go to etc.

Note: Hitler was also good at making speeches, just like Obama - "deception rules Democracy".



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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everybody seems to be forgetting the "dangerous precedent" set by bush in the case of US-GOV vs Saddam.

think about it...

what goes around comes around

now if one could act as an Agent of K.A.R.M.A., sort of speed up things...
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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Agreed. Because the entire system has been mutinized by Banksters, mega-corporations, and the war industry.

THEY are who are pulling all of the polital strings now, and none of these 'candidates' even get a shot at leadership unless they first agree to play by these special-interest groups rules, usually coerced through massive campaign donations and perks.

We will have to literally detach from this current system entirely and start a grass roots system from within if we want any possibility of the 'little people' being heard again. The system as it is has been entirely infiltrated and corrupted. All one has to do to see this is look around at what is becoming of our country.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Ya gotta wonder - what's the point of having laws if they're only enforced to get the little guys?

Oh. I guess I answered my own question.






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