Why the Elites hate white culture more than any other.

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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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What kind of a statement is that. "why the elites hate white culture more than any other"? In the west the elite is white. So you are arguing that they are riven by self loathing?? May be they dislike the white working class culture but hey they are part of the team.. They may have even encourage certain aspects like sports just to keep the "dummies" quiet!

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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Some might say that thinking whites are better than other races is embracing ignorance.


I would say "that thinking whites are better than other races is embracing ignorance".

I also have difficulty "to have pride in being human".

However, you are wrong about the whole point of this thread. It isn't to create divisions between the races, but to break down those divisions.

Not only is the current trend of bigotry against whites wrong, it is also creating a massive build up of hatred, and class division.

Do you really think the success of white culture is due to sheer luck?

You don't see this as racism?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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I would say many elites are driven by self loathing. Why else would they need power and wealth so much so that they are willing to screw over their fellow human being for wealth beyond that which they could ever enjoy.

When you look into the actual history of how so many of the wealthy became wealthy, it is clear to see that they did some very despicable things.

I would say a great many of the wealthy elites have a great deal of hidden self loathing. That is where all the anger and guilt come from.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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I think the anti-whitey agenda is a left wing socialist effort to genocide whites out of the picture, this is why these groups, the CPUSA, ISO, Democratic Party, NAACP have a racist agenda and a goal to establish socialism, it's like want the USA to be like Venezuela.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Please describe this historical "white culture."

The areas *my* family are from, the "culture" could be different from one clan to the next, or one tribe to the next, or one feudal state to the next.

What in your mind did the Germanic folk of the kingdoms of the North have in common with the Clan Buchanan? What is it that the country folk of Northern Poland had in common with the townsfolk of Southern Italy?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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I would say many elites are driven by self loathing. Why else would they need power and wealth so much so that they are willing to screw over their fellow human being for wealth beyond that which they could ever enjoy.

When you look into the actual history of how so many of the wealthy became wealthy, it is clear to see that they did some very despicable things.

I would say a great many of the wealthy elites have a great deal of hidden self loathing. That is where all the anger and guilt come from.



Naaw. I don't agree. These people have an unswerving belief in their god given right to all their gains. I think they see themselves as the smartest people in the room. On another thread someone mentions the narcistic personality which i believe is the case as is the tendency to be psychopathic.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by AeonsPlease describe this historical "white culture."

The areas *my* family are from, the "culture" could be different from one clan to the next, or one tribe to the next, or one feudal state to the next.

What in your mind did the Germanic folk of the kingdoms of the North have in common with the Clan Buchanan? What is it that the country folk of Northern Poland had in common with the townsfolk of Southern Italy?


It is no more likely that one can do this in a single post than one can define black culture back to the various tribes of Africa that are as different as the groups you have introduced.

Yet, no one dare deny there is a definitive "black" culture in America for fear of being branded a racist - which is sort of an answer to the bias question in and of itself.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Not knowing specifics about these cultures, social structure, religion, music, literature, dress, and many customs.

While these cultures will certainly add their own flavor, there are roots to these cultural traits that they share that make them different that what one would identify as Chinese culture, or Arabic culture.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by AeonsPlease describe this historical "white culture."

The areas *my* family are from, the "culture" could be different from one clan to the next, or one tribe to the next, or one feudal state to the next.

What in your mind did the Germanic folk of the kingdoms of the North have in common with the Clan Buchanan? What is it that the country folk of Northern Poland had in common with the townsfolk of Southern Italy?


It is no more likely that one can do this in a single post than one can define black culture back to the various tribes of Africa that are as different as the groups you have introduced.

Yet, no one dare deny there is a definitive "black" culture in America for fear of being branded a racist - which is sort of an answer to the bias question in and of itself.




American black culture has become something very different than its African roots.

Africans from different groups have little in common with their America cousins.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Does black culture hate white culture? I would say "NO". I do not believe that the elites hate white culture. Face it - white culture in America is in the norm. We see it 24/7. In many cases black or any other ethnic culture in in the minority. So for example French culture is a minority culture that is nontheless white culture.

Even in the dwindling black ghetto there is the daily cultural expression is the normal white one. Does the OP realise who much soul food is white? Now the idiots have forgotten Ebonics the lingua franca has been white with no case for change being made.

IS the OP's pursuit over several threads more about a cultural unity based on skin colour?????
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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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No, I don't think black culture hates white culture, but I think our school systems are encouraging people to think that way.

I go with my original statement for the thread. Elites hate white culture more than any other. Of course, not all elites are alike, nor are all of them bad. Too many of them are way too greedy, and they are not playing on the same team as the rest of us.

American Black culture is almost the same as American White Culture, to the point where American Blacks have to work at keeping their own identity, which I think is great. There are also many different white cultures in the U.S., who also struggle to maintain their own identity, and distinct black cultures as well. American White culture is not the same as European White Culture, but both cultures share things.

My pursuit is to point out that elites are encouraging racism against whites, to keep us divided.

And to hide the things that made us succeed.

This idea that whites only succeeded because we got lucky leads to the idea that who ever conquers us can have all that we have.

The truth is that we have what we have because we fight to keep a system in place that maintains our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Replace the democratic style of government we enjoy with a totalitarian government, and everything will fall apart. Look what happened to Rome.

Don't forget, not all elites are whites. Who is behind a great deal of this propaganda portraying whites as the root of all evil?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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I am looking forward to seeing Thor. thor was the first comic that I read. I wanted to be Thor. In amongst the racism of the 60s I did not consider thor to be White in the way the racists were white. I used to fight them at school and then go home and read Thor.

The new film has Idris Elba playing Heimindall..Why is there evidence of Black Norsemen??



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Well, if the vikings ever made it down to Africa, which they probably did, then most likely they took black women as slaves, who bore them children, who then became vikings. Where do you think Arnold Schwarzenegger's family name came from?

My sports hero growing up was Lou Brock. Can you imagine how many whites grow up with black sports hero's, musicians, actors, and such. Kind of hard to hate a race when you admire members of that race.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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The elites are PRIMARILY WHITE are they not? So we have a group of primaily white elites who hate white culture....

is it self-loathing?

Doesn't make sense to me....

unless you believe in david icke's theory that he true elite are repitilians from another world...



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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Or maybe the elites don't care who they trample on in their pursuit of wealth and power.

Whites can have racist attitudes against other whites, but I go with the reason above.

Lust for power and wealth is color blind.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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I'm not trying to be arrogant but some of the Egyptian corpses were gingers.

As far as white people being #1 all the time, it's not a fact and we get confused. We tend to think all of history resembles the recent past.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by AeonsAmerican black culture has become something very different than its African roots.

Africans from different groups have little in common with their America cousins.



Indeed, that is my point - a distinct white or more appropriately, American culture exists as sure a separate but equally distinct black culture exists.

Surely there will be people of both groups who cross over and areas in between where the two mix into something different.

Having served in the military for over 24 years and having lived in large metropolitan areas from the D.C & Baltimore are to the deep South Fayetteville, NC and Tampa Florida the black culture may be a little different from one area to the next especially along urban and rural lines. However, they share common traits and mannerisms that are identifiable as cultural.

I do not accept that rampant institutional racism exists today; sure some individuals can be but there is no concerted effort to keep the black man down like in the past; they even get preferential treatment in lots of institutions and areas with affirmative action, quotas, services and programs available only to minorities yet they are not rising out of poverty they are descending further into it and worse they are bringing everyone else along for the ride it seems.

With the trend of reeducation going on especially in urban schools whites are adopting black cultural norms - current rates of white unplanned or out of wedlock birth rates are now what black rates were 20 years ago and while the black rates have only climbed. Same with crime, welfare, and incarceration rates etc.

This is a personal observation but among the younger generation of Soldier's I have noticed that anyone who drifts toward traditional white cultural norms; traditional marriage, personal responsibility, is considered to be uncool, hip or even dare we say old fashioned or even rednecks or worse racists.

I saw the same trend in the urban schools and areas white kids are abandoning things "white" or conservative or old fashioned American call them what you will...it is way more than ebonics and dress customs or music choice as stake.

If we as a society continue toward adopting this type culture we doomed; it is not a successful model. Making loads of babies one cannot support (and not getting married), failing to keep a regular job, drawing welfare, embracing fame and even notoriety over financial stability, home ownership and personal accountability are not things one should embrace. This irresponsibility is becoming more and more acceptable cross culturally.

YMMV on this of course and you are free to disagree I can only comment on my own observations; however, they happen to coincide with Bill Cosby, Erik Rush, Alan Keyes and other influential black members of society - the difference is they can state their observation without reservation or hesitation or fear of being branded a racist.

I lack that luxury.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Your example of early America is more like Australia than I suggested. Convicts were sent to America as well. You fought a war over that (and taxes). The early Australian settlers were adventurers. They had to bet on surviving the boat trip and the natives (who weren't particularly unfriendly) and the lack of everything. People who chose to go to America did it because it was easier. Australia never had a class system, so if you like a hierarchy you'll go to America. That's why you are so PC. Even Canadians - friendly as you like are preppy by comparison to Aussies.

I didn't say that the elites created the 'rule of law' although common law by definition was created by the rulers. The laws were designed to create stability. Stability gave power to the elites as we know them. It gets confusing when you look back at history. I think we were in a worse state before. Not that our morality has lifted. Corporate morality shoots all the way through society these days. Of course elites want us to be worldly or else we would be satisfied with just the little we actually need, not want.

I agree and disagree with the University example. It's not a hive of conformists but the money is spent by corporations - to an exact end. The elites don't tell us what to believe as much as we sheeple do. Us conformists actually strive to tow the party line because we are bound to embark on a life of corporate morality where the truth is what we are expected to believe.

Yes, corporations are a means to themselves.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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There are many parts of the U.S. where you will still find plenty of rugged individuals, the Rocky Mountain states, and the Appalachians, and plenty of other regions across the country. We are not all a bunch of suburban preppies.

The U.S. doesn't have a class system, although getting a degree from a university is a way they are trying to establish a class system. We have elites, in that we have people with tons of money, but they have no authority except for the power of their wealth.

Originally laws were created in Europe at a "Thing", which originally meant a town meeting in which communal laws were established. Before Christianity took over, Europeans typically did not have a king, unless there came a time of war, and one was elected to lead the armies. The roots of democracy go back much, much further than our school system led us to believe.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:46 PM
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Common law is tort law. Kings resided over matters brought to them and over time precedents were established. Both our countries laws are based on British common law. That's how our court system works. We put our faith in it and are placated by a sense of justice which has created the stability we enjoy.

I don't deny America has it's rugged individuals. I know plenty like that. I do think you have a class system. It may not be like the UK and a million miles from India, but yours isn't a flat society like Australia. Enough arguing...

You've made a of of excellent points. It was worth it to re-read this thread.

If I can imagine the über-elite bastards, I guess they would drool at the idea that the world is full of their slaves. You might argue that white people are the ones that need to be tipped into slavery because after them the rest will follow and maybe there is some thinking along those lines.

My theory is that slavery civilised white people aeons ago. Indigenous folk were never enslaved so they are harder to tame. Elites represent white people where our sense of entitlement comes from being good little slaves. Most of the bleeding hearts rhetoric about equal opportunity goes to those who've never been enslaved and they are victimised for the prospect of having to work or be accountable for their own well being...

Weird huh?

Thus, I have to conclude that the anti-white brigade are not elites as such, rather they are:
1.Outside influences, including powerful groups with political pull who serve their own agenda - be it Western destabilisation or outright racism / nationalism.
2. Bleeding hearts who are afraid of being targeted, who are unwilling to stop discriminating so they jump on any bandwagon - feigning hatred for success.

I agree that wilful white people are a threat to elites and that minimising their potential is crucial to the profits of corporations. The more weak white people (and all others) are made to feel the easier they are to take advantage of. In that case, white people are the tall poppies that have to be cut down. We may well become disenfranchised but I feel the main impetus there, is racism from minorities. It's been encouraged from the top, but the result is circumstantial.

Those at the top who endeavour to publicise white racism, an evil history etc are interested in placating the minorities, referring the blame away from the themselves (the real perpetrator) as well as simply making money from migration - more, more, more migration - no one to stop them when the cultural identity is banished - disagree with unfettered migration? = YOU"RE RACIST - you know the tune.





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