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Originally posted by soficrow
Okay. I know that black holes are pretty much infinitely dense and compact masses… But. Just realized I have been holding a completely different understanding in my head simultaneously, and have been for a long time.
My alternate 'understanding' is that black holes actually are 'portals' to another universe; planets, stars and galaxies essentially go through the black hole to be "reborn" on the other side. Perhaps intact, perhaps as raw material. Not sure. In any event, the concept involves a kind of perpetual orbit through 2 or more distinct universes, around and back again infinitely.
So my question is:
Where did I get this idea? …Is it a disgarded scientific hypothesis? An idea from a sci-fi book or movie? My own imagination? What? …Anybody know???
If a particle (or object) were to travel down into the "throat" or center of a black hole in space, it would enter a different area of both space and time. The process would kill any living being; Einstein postulated that gravity would increase to infinity at the center of the black hole, tearing apart even the atoms of whatever passed through.
White Holes
A white hole, the exit point to the ERB, is a black hole which runs backward in time. Black holes swallow whatever comes into contact with them, while white holes regurgitate them.
White holes should not be able to exist, because they would spontaneously create order out of disorder, effectively violating the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Roy Kerr and the Spinning Black Hole
In 1963, mathematician Roy Kerr remedied a major difficulty of Einstein's theory by proving that, due to the principle of conservation of angular momentum, a star in the process of collapse would increase its rotation. It would have at its center a ring of neutrons manifesting extraordinary centrifugal force outward, countering the force of gravity on the inside.
A particle, object, or traveller would then not be crushed by the forces, but would travel through the point of singularity and exit the other side of the black hole, or white hole, perhaps within the same universe at a different location or time, or perhaps in a parallel universe.
However, any travel through this Kerr ring would be necessarily one-way. The gravity created by the collapse, though no longer sufficient to kill the individual, would prevent a return trip.
My alternate 'understanding' is that black holes actually are 'portals' to another universe; planets, stars and galaxies essentially go through the black hole to be "reborn" on the other side. Perhaps intact, perhaps as raw material. Not sure. In any event, the concept involves a kind of perpetual orbit through 2 or more distinct universes, around and back again infinitely.
Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
Thanks much DLE.
Did you see my post above about White Holes?
...seems it's mathematically possible for there to be white holes on the "flip side" of black holes - and it's hypothetically possible to go in the black hole and come out the white hole intact! without being crushed, pulverized or otherwise dead (but not reverse).
...we probably read some of the same books - and the seeds were planted for me - but I didn't 'get it' til I studied the I Ching. Interesting how the mind works, isn't it? Things come in, whirl and twirl around for years, then suddenly make sense. Usually about 3:00am.
So I'm thinking our planet and solar system orbits through parallel universes on a superhighway - through a black hole, out a white hole, through a wormhole, hang for a while - then on to the next. Just seems right to me.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
Did you see my post above about White Holes?
...seems it's mathematically possible for there to be white holes on the "flip side" of black holes - and it's hypothetically possible to go in the black hole and come out the white hole intact! without being crushed, pulverized or otherwise dead (but not reverse).
...we probably read some of the same books - and the seeds were planted for me - but I didn't 'get it' til I studied the I Ching. ...
So I'm thinking our planet and solar system orbits through parallel universes on a superhighway - through a black hole, out a white hole, through a wormhole, hang for a while - then on to the next. Just seems right to me.
I've read so much
that science and sci-fi have long blurred [bibliophilia].
nothing is impossible
only improbable
Kerr Rings is what I was talking about
ring is dumbed down for torus I suppose
not really into the I-Ching, ... predicting ...
would' you be referring/thinking by any chance to:
Hexagram 2 is named 坤 (kūn), "Field". Other variations include "the receptive", "acquiescence", and "the flow". Its inner trigram is ☷ (坤 kūn) field = (地) earth, and its outer trigram is identical.
could also be The Abyss
"Needing Knowledge & Skill; Do not force matters and go with the flow "
wise words for traveling through black holes from the ancient sages
White Holes
A white hole, the exit point to the ERB, is a black hole which runs backward in time. Black holes swallow whatever comes into contact with them, while white holes regurgitate them.
...more
To me, the Ching is not so much a 'fortune-telling' tool as a repository of ancient knowledge.
the order of the hexagrams was changed a few thousand years ago. ...It's history includes survival through a book-burning, and the hexagrams being "reorganized" by an imprisoned sage / King
beginning with 0, K'un (nothingness, infinitely receptive), and ending with Ch'ien (infinity, infinite possibility)
Found this, no way can I do the math.
Originally posted by pazcat
reply to post by soficrow
While that is true a white hole has never been observed. They are not even sure if they exist. It brings with it a bigger problem, with blackholes being extremely numerous in the universe then where are all the white holes?
At least with a blackhole there is tangible evidence that they exist, with white holes there is nothing more than an equation that says they could exist.
"Elliptical galaxies were thought to have made all of their stars billions of years ago," says astronomer Mark Crockett of the University of Oxford, leader of the Hubble observations. "They had consumed all their gas to make new stars. Now we are finding evidence of star birth in many elliptical galaxies, fueled mostly by cannibalizing smaller galaxies." ...
Hubble Captures New Star Birth in an Ancient Galaxy