Radical Islam - The Biggest Threat to your Freedoms

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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S & F for you brother.

Anyone who does not realise the threat of Radical (yes RADICAL) Islam, is either a socialist left winger or blind.

Me and my Dad were talking about this tonite. it is time that people wake up. Stop burying your heads in the sand for fear of being 'racist' or 'offending' certain religions. This is ENGLAND! Not the Middle East. There is no place for Sharia law here, we are not a muslim country! I cannot understand why people cannot grasp that concept?!

Even the old dear who served me at Tesco's tonight can see it! Even she is against radical Islam. It is a very serious and dangerous threat to our whole way of life.

Are you really going to just b*tch it and watch the UK become an Islamic state?
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Haydn_17

Starred and flagged because you used the term “Radical Islam” a phrase that many on ATS simply do not get. You have made a big step by identifying a problem.

I am not that scared of Radical Islam in the long term. What is my secret weapon?? It is the British people.

Was it FDR that coined the phrase Walk softly carry a big stick? Did you ever wonder why the Brits never accepted it? Because the do not talk about such stuff. They just do it!

The murder of Steven Lawrence was the turning point for ethnic minorities in the UK. Things started changing for the better. Radical Islam is inexcusable. Why bomb innocent people why not air your grievances via the usual channels? Why be homophobic, racist and sexist.

EDL has a significant level of ultra right types> I can name names. I would not join with the EDL or march alongside.


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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by TheBigO
Since the radical muslims want to create trouble you can not just sit back and take it.

I guess some people have never been bullied. The bully does not stop messing with you until you stand up for your self, stand up to them. When you give them a knock on the nose they stop.

If they continue you have to charge harder. I would not take this radical muslim shiria law in America.
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We have a thing here in USA that is called separation of church and state.

It would be illegal for shiria law to be instated ANYWHERE in the USA.

I feel horrible for you people in england and france.
I suggest the people in other countries being bullied by radicals, do the same,
that you stand up for your self before it is to late.

If the radical muslims want a war on the American civilians we WILL WAR! There will be a gun behind every blade of grass blasting anyone who dares to tear America down.

I don't dare the radical muslims. If they want war WE WILL ERADICATE them.
The black, white, and mexican Americans will all unite against radical muslims.


The op is correct. END OF STORY !!!
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As stated before it would be alright if it is ONLY radical muslims. But some people cannot distinguish between the 2.

And what is with the mentality of some of these new people on ATS? I have been lurking on here since 09 and man it was way better back then.


CX

posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by KingDoey
Are you really going to just b*tch it and watch the UK become an Islamic state?


No.

However i'm also not going to be dictated to by someone, or a group of people who will quite happliy take their fight to innocent people who are not radical extremists.

CX.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by CX

Originally posted by KingDoey
Are you really going to just b*tch it and watch the UK become an Islamic state?


No.

However i'm also not going to be dictated to by someone, or a group of people who will quite happliy take their fight to innocent people who are not radical extremists.

CX.


Hence why at the start of my post is the word 'Radical', a term which tends to differentiate between normal and extreme.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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Hmmm....tell me....hows that one going at the moment around the world?


I can't do a thing for the people being bullied by radicals in other countries.
Except tell them not to put up with it.

I swear to you though, the radical muslims bring that bull crap to America, you will see how exactly *that one will be going*. It's called a DEAD end buddy.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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The problem with the EDL is that they were hijacked by combat 18/neo nazi types But what do you expect when they organise a demo where ANYONE can turn up.

I'm sure many of you have seen the EDL perform nazi salutes. TRUE but did you know a UAF infiltrator was also caught pretending to be EDL and was performing nazi salutes so he could be caught on camera by the press. This was in my local paper when they protested in bolton. So how many more of these infiltrators are there ?

Unknown to most people because of the propaganda the left put out they do actually have a lot of black members, they have a sikh division, a pakistani chrisitan divison, a jewish divison, a lesbian and gay divison.

No matter what the march is whenever English Patriotism is invovled it is impossible to stop racist people tagging along. When they first started they had a hell of a lot of nazis turning up but since they burnt the nazi flag a lot have left also the amount of stewards they have has calmed them down a bit.

Think about it how many REAL NAZIS would march alongside jews, sikhs and gays ?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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Infiltrators? You must be joking. The EDL is C18, Zionist Jews, UAF, skin heads, nazis and the worst of the worst scum fascist. Are you associated with the EDL?







EDL Leader Tommy Robinson in Muslim women's clothing. This tranny neonazi is appealing to British nazis.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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Hang on a second did you even read my post ? i started off saying they have been hijacked by neo nazis, or did you skip that part ? i then went on to say ONE INFILTRATOR was caught doing a nazi salute but you assumed i said the majority are infiltrators.

What happened to freedom of speech you know what you always say when chidlren as young as 6 are being taught in islamic schools to hate jews, that homosexuals should be murdered and how to chop hands off people who have gone against the most fascist law of them all.

They also were teaching the kids the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was used to justify the persecution of jews in germany. Sounds kind of fascist doesn't it.

So do you approve of this being taught in schools in england or is anyone who doesn't approve a racist nazi ?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
In Europe especially Islam is becoming our biggest threat to freedom since World War 2, when the Nazi Regime attempted to destroy our freedoms we have today.


Lol its funny how you compare 'radical' Islam to the Nazi regime, and finish off your OP with the EDL.

From my opinion, which is a muslim one, and that i know a whole lotta muslims that witnessed EDL events, that they are the ones, doing the arm wave 'heil hitler' salutes, the skinhead, neo nazi facist thinking.

Not a very well planned out post even if you were trying to incite hatred towards islam, through your propaganda based sources.

Though i do agree with you on that, radical Islam along the lines of suicide bombings, Using jihad to cause aggression rather than a means of defence, and Wahabbism's literal misconception of Q'uranic scripture, also to add Sufi mystical esoteric alterations.. are quite, and i must emphasise ERRONEOUS ideologies in Islam, and does not represent the true aspects of the religion at all.
However take the words radical, fundamentalist, islamist, islamaphobic, islamic terrorism with a pinch of salt, allowing the use of branding a whole religion based under certain ageda driven titles lead you to conform to the elites plan.

Thanks for your opinion and the OP, i hope we can learn and understand our differences and find the solutions to our problems, to build a better community and understanding where we learn the truth about the corruption in our governments, and our religion.

We have got to stop this civil unrest, bickering between one another on the petty things, look at the roots of the problem, the sources of corruption, and then we will learn to truly deny ignorance.

Peace and Salaams be with you and everyone else in the ATS community. We grow wiser every thread...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Muslim children probably get taught about zionism but abuse and lying about Christians and Jewish faiths is considered a sin.

The Protocols claptrap you bring up is a pile of steaming BS but if the Palestinians use it as propaganda in their fight with the zionists it would be logical.

Now let use address your whining and your concern about antiSemitism from real Semites. Are you Jewish by happenstance or a nazi skinhead on account of your love of the EDL?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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If you are saying that EDL have been infiltrated by a Neo Nazi group, or person, which i presume is pushing an agenda across the more ignorant of the EDL's marching band. .

Then i am sure you will agree that even Islam, especially that is being portrayed by the media is also able to be infiltrated?

The terrorist groups, Al Qaida, Taliban, the Saddam regime with its early ties to the elite 'US' government, even the recent Hizballah with its evidence of espionage and infiltration reports coming through about Mossad agents etc. Does that not prove that Islam in relation to groups or figureheads can be infiltrated?

There are infiltration in every sect/society/religion/government and we at ATS are beginning to unravel their agenda, dont be naiive to fall for all this turning one person against another. Look at the sources, follow the money, follow the signs, follow the history, follow whats going on with the world today, who runs the shots, whose in power, the agendas, then you will realise where the problems are.

Divide and conquer....its been working too well, as one famous dude said, a one world government will be achieved, will it be via conquest? or consent? Things are playing out, and at the end of it their will be two sides.. which side will you be on?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Muslim children probably get taught about zionism but abuse and lying about Christians and Jewish faiths is considered a sin.


They were being taught that jews are pigs hmmmm




The Protocols claptrap you bring up is a pile of steaming BS but if the Palestinians use it as propaganda in their fight with the zionists it would be logical.


Wrong again they are being taught all this in islamic schools not in palestine but in england i'll post the video that the bbc made when they went undercover i'm sure you'll say it's a zionist conspiracy




Now let use address your whining and your concern about antiSemitism from real Semites. Are you Jewish by happenstance or a nazi skinhead on account of your love of the EDL?


When did i even use the word semite ?, i said they are being told racist lies about JEWS. Please quote my mention of semites or anti semitism. i doubt you can because you made it up. and here we go the personal insults go because i disaprove of racism i must be a jew or part of the edl. if you read my posts you will see i said they are full of neo nazis.




I don't agree with the way Edl are going about it and there links to known nazis is shocking but yes radical islam is a threat. i said Radical, not islam itself


Yeah my love for the EDL is shown there




The problem with the EDL is that they were hijacked by combat 18/neo nazi types But what do you expect when they organise a demo where ANYONE can turn up. I'm sure many of you have seen the EDL perform nazi salutes. TRUE


God i'm such a racist zionazi i also see you complety ignored my mention of them being taught that homosexuals should be killed Why is that ? Also heres what the education security said regarding the protocls




Mr Gove told the programme: ‘I have no desire or wish to intervene in the decisions that the Saudi government makes in its own education system. ‘But I’m clear that we cannot have anti-Semitic material of any kind being used in English schools. Ofsted are doing some work in this area. ‘They’ll be reporting to me shortly about how we can ensure that part-time provision is better registered and better inspected in the future.’ The text books for 15-year-olds revive the so-called ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’, which teach that Zionists want to establish world domination for Jews. The Saudi text books instruct pupils: ‘The Jews have tried to deny them (the Protocols) but there are many proofs of their veracity and their origin among the elders of Zion.’ The text books say the ‘main goal’ of the ‘Zionist movement’ is ‘for the Jews to have control over the world and its resources’ which, the book allege, Zionists seek to achieve partly by ‘inciting rancour and rivalry among the great powers so that they fight one another.’ Mr Gove said anyone who cites the Protocols of Zion is ‘indulging in one of the oldest and foulest anti Semitic smears that, that we know of’.





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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Extremists have infiltrated parts of islam i'm condeming the infiltrators not islam. hence why my posts have been about what the racists are teaching school kids.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Funny, I don't nearly feel my freedom threatened by Muslims or Islams or their radicals as much as I do THE REACTIONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT to the fear mongering propaganda aimed against them. That is what I fear more.

Our government since 9-11 has done more damage to the freedoms of this country in reaction/response, then all the radical Islam the world has to offer.

Maybe Islam is a problem in Europe but part of me thinks that's because you all chose to outlaw guns lol. I don't think an Islamic "no go zone" would be very successful here in the US. especially if it was declared by violence.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Large nos of Muslims introduced to the West - leads in one direction only - to a choice between colonisation and take-over by Islam, or Euro-wide jihadi civil war - accompagnied or preceded by invasions fromt he M.E, Turkey, Iran etc

I understand why TPTB have arranged this - to collapse both Europe and the M.E.

But I still just cannot imagine what the progressive left thinks they are gaining by this - they surely still cannot be imagining that this leads to a multicultural kumbya of lefty voters?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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Hate and fear is the biggest threat to your way of life, rather than Islam or Muslim. It is evident from your post that you have both qualities, hate and fear.

The truth is, that American and European freedom has been diminished through hate and fear, I will give examples to support my point.

Fear


Air-port pat down
Air port pat down, where travelers are literally molested in public is regarded as a breach of privacy, and a huge step to flushing freedom down the drain.

Warrant-less spying
Warrant-less spying, where any individual can be spied on, and their privacy plus freedom can be squashed, is due to fear.
NSA warrantless surveillance controvers

The kill or capture list
The US commander and chief can now order to kill or capture US citizens without any trial, conviction or wrong doing. This is regarded as fascism by some, and a huge breach of freedom, liberty and justice. This is also due to fear.
Rights groups sue US over 'kill or capture' list

The Patriot act
The Patriot act is described as a Nazi law by ex-CIA official - "Phillip Giraldi". The Patriot act was also the result of fear.

Hate


Burqah Ban
Burqah Ban is described as breaching freedom of expression. This breach of freedom was and still is the result of hate.

Minarets ban
The ban of Mosque designs is once again a breach of freedom of expression. This has decrease freedom and liberty, because of hate.
Swiss Ban Building of Minarets on Mosques

The above are examples of the freedoms which Europe and US have lost, due to hate and fear.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by stephinrazin
First of all, Al quaeda and many other such organizations are funded by the US government.
Check out this thread.
!CIA Operatives admit Al Qaeda is a Complete Fabrication
There are tons of books, articles, and other information on the connections between Bin laden, Bush family, and the CIA.

If you choose to ignore this that is your choice. What you cannot ignore is where ideas of islamic fundamentalism arise from. These ideas are prevalent because of US imperialism. The spread of these ideas are real, but the actual terror acts are often US intelligence. If the West did not continually rape and pillage Islamic countries this ideology would have no soil to grow in.
Further, the track record of our supposed "enemies" of the west is convoluted at best. The US funded, the soviets, and the nazis. They were enemies created for political and economic reasons. Take a look around. The government has used radical islam to greatly increase size, power, and manipulate opinions.

If you wanna be concerned take a look at our own tyranny before worrying about a fantastical one.



This is a great post and 100% true.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by lnr42
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If you believe everything you read on the internet you have more to worry about than Islam.

For the most part it is propoganda. Take for instance the 'no go' zones mentioned in the OP (and nearly all of the 'Oh Noes...Mulims!' threads you see). I have lived in two places now that have been labelled as such. As a white male I have never run into race related problems and neither have my many local white/black/asian friends.

Articles like this are purely designed to appeal to the ignorant, and it seems they work quite well in that regard.

Yup propaganda produced for the "ignorant"...
Warning graphic:
You think having tea with these bastids makes you better than me?
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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You're video doesn't show anything. I've seen it before though. What makes you think that was real, looks fake as hell to me. It came out at a time when support for the war was seriously hurting. After that everyone loved the war.






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