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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by seedofchucky
The Bohemian Grove Annual Retreat is a event full of activities that last two weeks, with Alex Jones having 'snuck' in to video a portion of the annual "Cremation fo Care" ceremony as part of his usual half assed approach to 'painting' a picture, that is designed to support his often incorrect 'theories' that usually border on or all about 'fear' where he reinvents the actual meaning behind some of the annual activities that go on at the Grove some of the being parts of traditions that date back a 100 years, or since the annex to the Bohemian Club was oppened for the place of their annual retreat.
The truth is that the Bohemian Club originally founded by journalists during the California Gold Rush as a place where they could meet, create and enjoy entertainments not available in early San Francisco they had grown accustomed to enjoying in bigger more culturally varied East Coast Cities has changed from it's original membership to include some of the wealthiest by and large exclusively White Anglo Saxon Protestant corporate and business moguls of 'up standing breeding' evidence by 'blood line heritage that dates back in most cases to before the founding of the nation or right around that time'.
So two things are at play a sensationalist and showman like Alex Jones fails to always properly represent or consider.
One is many of the zanny activities that go on at the Grove have their traditional roots born from men who could not go to the Opera or Theatre or Poetry Recital or Orchestra because they had yet to be built in early San Francisco, so the earlierst members created their own entertainments that are part of these traditions.
When and ever possible Alex Jones likes to portray these as 'ceremonies involving a satanist kabal or form of occult ritual' which based on my own observations and personal relationships with people who attend regularly is simply a figment of Jone's propensity to 'sell' things in a way that make his theories credible to people who want to take Alex Jone's view of them.
However while resting and relaxing and joining what ranges from hoakey self staged productions and activities to some true world class entertainment by visiting artist, poets and intellectuals invited to the two week long festival to entertain their members and guests some very real networking does occure.
This networking is in fact little different that what takes place at a local chamber of commerce or kiwi club, except in this case the people networking happen to own huge national and international corporations, major banks, rail roads, shipping lines, media businesses and law firms that have a much bigger impact on society when the owners of General Mills and Kraft sit down to talk about things than they owner of Sal's Hardware and John's Pizza sit down to talk about things.
Sak and John talk about who they would love to see on the City Council that could give them so code and tax relief and better business enviornment.
Where as the owner of General Mills and Kraft sit down and talk about who they want to be President and Department Heads of Government and how they can influence the legislation process using their wealth and influence so there business like wise can get a more favorable tax code and business environment.
There businesses and desires and abilities just happen to be a whole lot more extensive with a whole lot more effect on every one else than Sal and John's are.
Yes some huge decisions are privately made at the Grove amongst people who are often friends and networking who belong to a social economic class where the decisions that they make do have a huge impact on everyone else.
Yet this is in reality capatilism as well as corruption in it's ultimate form as practiced by those at the top of the business and social and political latter, as opposed to the satanism and occultism that Jones presents based on an outsider's view as it's being forward to carve a niche audience he profits off of by captivating with the stories he tells and the theories he promotes.
As a showman the more sensational the better, that's what sells for him, that's what his audience buys.
However he has turned down invitations to see the Grove as it really is seen and experienced by and large by it's members who have given him the opportunity to see how it really functions and the bulk of what goes on there except those private conversations between concerned individuals with areas of mutual benefit they wish to privately discuss as part of their business.
Part of their business is corruption for the sake of power and control and profit, and while yes it's possible to promote that as being inherently 'evil' it's nothing different than millions of people are doing every day to a much smaller scale in places like the Chamber of Commerce and the Kiwi or Rotary Club.
It's just being done on a grander scale with much bigger chips on the board.
The people who go to the Bohemian Grove Retreat are albeit very wealthy and connected people while there chosen guests might not be wealthy or terribly well connected at all, but they are all none the less real flesh a blood people, that frankly Jones does a disservice to his audience by painting in the scions of evil demonic light he does where he attempts to convince other 'unworldly' sources aide and abet these people making them more powerful than they are.
Sadly misinformtion runs to polar extremes with people on both sides of the good/evil divide spreading it by design or accident either well intentioned or not, and while I know that the people who are members of the Grove are not particuarly well intentioned besides to themselves (as most of us are) I would contend that Alex Jones is no different in carving out and pandering to a small market niche for profit by painting a deliberately false picture at times in order to do that.
Your real friend lies not to either side of the polar divide, but you yourself, in a process that engages 'seeing is believing' where you challenge yourself to discover yourself the information you need as close to the source as you can get.
Originally posted by StevenDye
Nor do I want to place my nude behind onto a seat after someone else who clearly doesn't wipe just got off of it.
First off if the place can be inflitrated by aj , or some randoms who like to tell its secrets to non members like your self , then how hard is it to get some evidence out ?