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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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I think this is a good time to discuss a test I ran in this thread. It has to do with flooding. The evidence to determine if flooding is increasing in both the sense of greater intensity and more frequently occurring is easy to find online. (Sorry that is klutsy wording, isn't it?)

I have asked numerous times if anyone had any evidence to show whether or not flooding is increasing. That claim has been made multiple times and I keep asking if anyone can substantiate that claim.

Believe me if people do start to actually look for the information they will be surprised at how easy it is to locate the evidence. I will let lasertaglover know why I am certain that no one has really investigated the situation. When someone does get the information they can check to see with lasertaglover about my reasoning so that no one can claim I am making up any excuses.

Let's get a going and find out whether or not flooding is more common and whether or not it is of greater intensity.




posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Ooohhh...I'll help get that ball rolling. Here is some FEMA data to ponder:

www.fema.gov...

Significant Flood Events
1978 - November 30, 2010

A significant event is one with 1,500 or more paid losses, or occasionally one added for other reasons. Events have been named according to the most popular name at the time the events occurred, or if there is no apparent name, one has been created for this report. Event naming is a subjective thing; an event may begin as a hurricane, change to a tropical storm or be nothing but a heavy rain in some states. But this report attempts to use a single name, and include counties in federally declared disaster areas.

EVENT YEAR # PD LOSSES AMOUNT PD ($) AVG PD LOSS
MASSACHUSETTS FLOOD FEB. 1978 Feb-78 2,202 $20,145,418 $9,149
LOUISIANA FLOOD MAY 1978 May-78 7,343 $43,422,439 $5,913
WV, IN, KY, OH FLOODS DEC 1978 Dec-78 1,879 $11,934,512 $6,352
PA, CT, MA, NJ, NY, RI FLOODS Jan-79 8,826 $31,487,015 $3,568
ND, MN FLOODS Apr-79 2,141 $10,360,266 $4,839
TEXAS FLOOD APRIL 1979 Apr-79 1,954 $20,131,418 $10,303
FLORIDA FLOOD APRIL 1979 Apr-79 1,488 $2,029,163 $1,364
TROPICAL STORM CLAUDETTE Jul-79 9,664 $147,295,363 $15,242
HURRICANE FREDERIC Sep-79 2,947 $45,809,311 $15,544
TEXAS FLOOD SEPTEMBER 1979 Sep-79 6,261 $47,085,222 $7,520
NJ, CT & NY FLOODS APRIL 1980 Apr-80 2,159 $7,156,481 $3,315
LOUISIANA FLOOD APRIL 1980 Apr-80 12,831 $86,279,354 $6,724
HURRICANE ALLEN Aug-80 3,636 $27,454,134 $7,551
TEXAS FLOOD EVENT JUNE 1981 Jun-81 2,143 $13,414,893 $6,260
TEXAS FLOOD AUGUST 1981 Aug-81 2,740 $20,958,042 $7,649
LOUISIANA FLOOD APRIL 1992 Apr-82 3,187 $20,785,522 $6,522
RI, MA, CT FLOODS JUNE 1982 Jun-82 2,189 $15,684,431 $7,165
THE 'NO-NAME STORM' Jun-82 2,921 $10,474,435 $3,586
MO, IL FLOODS DECEMBER 1982 Dec-82 3,172 $29,851,938 $9,411
LOUISIANA FLOOD DECEMBER 1982 Dec-82 1,636 $12,917,415 $7,896
LOUISIANA FLOOD APRIL 1983 Apr-83 11,581 $104,833,841 $9,052
ALICIA Aug-83 10,518 $119,388,681 $11,351
NEW JERSEY FLOOD MARCH 1984 Mar-84 4,096 $22,163,537 $5,411
NEW JERSEY FLOOD APRIL 1984 Apr-84 2,471 $33,300,119 $13,476
KENTUCKY FLOOD MAY 1984 May-84 2,654 $32,623,472 $12,292
ELENA Aug-85 8,234 $81,322,383 $9,876
GLORIA Sep-85 6,088 $39,194,422 $6,438
ISABEL OCTOBER 1985 Oct-85 1,612 $5,769,195 $3,579
JUAN Oct-85 6,187 $90,987,478 $14,706
CALIFORNIA FLOOD FEBRUARY 1986 Feb-86 2,003 $34,838,406 $17,393
LOUISIANA FLOOD APRIL 1988 Apr-88 3,003 $17,124,219 $5,702
TEXAS FLOOD MAY 1989 May-89 2,562 $59,020,120 $23,037
TROPICAL STORM ALLISON 1989 Jun-89 3,127 $39,303,958 $12,569
HURRICANE CHANTEL Aug-89 2,919 $39,510,677 $13,536
HUGO Sep-89 12,840 $376,433,739 $29,317
LOUISIANA FLOOD NOVEMBER 1989 Nov-89 4,455 $48,911,213 $10,979
LOUISIANA FLOOD JUNE 1991 Jun-91 1,919 $15,832,141 $8,250
BOB Aug-91 2,821 $49,707,690 $17,621
HALLOWEEN Oct-91 9,541 $143,158,312 $15,005
DE, NJ, PR FLOODS JANUARY 1992 Jan-92 3,211 $30,087,521 $9,370
TEXAS FLOOD MARCH 1992 Mar-92 2,353 $50,956,063 $21,656
ANDREW Aug-92 5,589 $169,225,041 $30,278
NOR'EASTER - 1992 Dec-92 25,142 $346,150,356 $13,768
MARCH STORM Mar-93 9,840 $212,596,101 $21,605
MIDWEST FLOOD Jun-93 10,472 $272,819,515 $26,052
TEXAS FLOOD OCTOBER 1994 Oct-94 6,226 $217,628,440 $34,955
CA FLOOD JANUARY 1995 Jan-95 3,410 $74,842,843 $21,948
LOUISIANA FLOOD May-95 31,343 $585,071,728 $18,667
OPAL Oct-95 10,343 $405,527,543 $39,208
NORTHEAST FLOOD - JAN 1996 Jan-96 12,523 $186,623,944 $14,902
NORTHWEST FLOOD Feb-96 2,329 $61,901,396 $26,579
BERTHA Jul-96 1,166 $10,388,364 $8,909
FRAN Sep-96 10,315 $217,843,972 $21,119
HORTENSE Sep-96 1,381 $20,215,202 $14,638
JOSEPHINE Oct-96 6,512 $102,604,272 $15,756
NORTHEAST FLOOD - OCT 1996 Oct-96 3,480 $40,837,392 $11,735
CALIFORNIA FLOOD DECEMBER 1996 Dec-96 1,858 $39,699,759 $21,367
SOUTH CENTRAL FLOOD Feb-97 4,529 $100,469,721 $22,184
UPPER MIDWEST FLOOD Apr-97 7,398 $160,101,054 $21,641
PINEAPPLE EXPRESS Jan-98 4,226 $57,675,410 $13,648
NOR'EASTER Feb-98 3,212 $28,011,201 $8,721
HURRICANE BONNIE Aug-98 2,675 $23,073,621 $8,626
TEXAS FLOOD SEPTEMBER 1998 Sep-98 4,876 $78,402,842 $16,079
LOUISIANA FLOOD SEPTEMBER 1998 Sep-98 5,176 $51,000,838 $9,853
HURRICANE GEORGES (KEYS) Sep-98 3,436 $43,134,378 $12,554
HURRICANE GEORGES Sep-98 9,097 $154,169,745 $16,947
HURRICANE GEORGES (PANHANDLE) Sep-98 1,680 $23,250,917 $13,840
TEXAS FLOOD OCTOBER 1998 Oct-98 3,191 $143,784,089 $45,059
HURRICANE FLOYD Sep-99 20,438 $462,268,248 $22,618
HURRICANE IRENE Oct-99 13,683 $117,923,473 $8,618
FLORIDA FLOOD OCTOBER 2000 Oct-00 9,276 $158,283,182 $17,064
TROPICAL STORM ALLISON - 2001 Jun-01 30,663 $1,103,877,235 $36,000
TROPICAL STORM GABRIELLE Sep-01 2,418 $34,836,088 $14,407
TEXAS FLOOD JULY 2002 Jul-02 1,895 $70,597,909 $37,255
TROPICAL STORM ISADORE Sep-02 8,441 $113,682,504 $13,468
HURRICANE LILI Oct-02 2,563 $36,902,125 $14,398
TEXAS FLOOD OCTOBER 2002 Oct-02 3,249 $88,983,851 $27,388
HURRICANE ISABEL Sep-03 19,861 $492,664,214 $24,806
HURRICANE CHARLEY Aug-04 2,608 $50,821,390 $19,487
HURRICANE FRANCES Sep-04 4,959 $152,414,293 $30,735
HURRICANE IVAN Sep-04 27,637 $1,582,318,735 $57,254
HURRICANE JEANNE Sep-04 5,376 $127,703,717 $23,754
HURRICANE DENNIS Jul-05 3,806 $119,758,800 $31,466
HURRICANE KATRINA Aug-05 167,213 $16,169,297,349 $96,699
HURRICANE RITA Sep-05 9,503 $470,177,639 $49,477
TROPICAL STORM TAMMY Oct-05 4,116 $44,753,465 $10,873
HURRICANE WILMA Oct-05 9,610 $363,818,601 $37,858
PA, NJ, NY FLOODS JUNE 2006 Jun-06 6,410 $227,475,398 $35,488
HURRICANE PAUL Oct-06 1,507 $37,261,289 $24,725
NOR'EASTER APRIL 2007 Apr-07 8,638 $225,522,735 $26,108
TORRENTIAL RAIN JUNE 2008 Jun-08 3,303 $135,473,487 $41,015
HURRICANE GUSTAV Sep-08 4,532 $111,308,660 $24,561
HURRICANE IKE Sep-08 46,207 $2,625,392,511 $56,818
TORRENTIAL RAIN MARCH 2009 TX Mar-09 3,294 $126,943,458 $38,538
TORRENTIAL RAIN SEPT 2009 GA Sep-09 2,044 $119,872,712 $58,646
TROPICAL STORM IDA VA Nov-09 5,632 $99,644,532 $17,693
2010 NOREASTER Mar-10 10,008 $184,235,293 $18,409
TORRENTIAL RAIN - TN Apr-10 4,056 $217,550,757 $53,637


This is in no one way conclusive, but simply adding up these events shows that not only are there more flooding events in the 1990's and 2000's than previous, but that economic factor is greater as well.

Ok, who is next to play?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by petrologist
I think this is a good time to discuss a test I ran in this thread. It has to do with flooding. The evidence to determine if flooding is increasing in both the sense of greater intensity and more frequently occurring is easy to find online. (Sorry that is klutsy wording, isn't it?)

I have asked numerous times if anyone had any evidence to show whether or not flooding is increasing. That claim has been made multiple times and I keep asking if anyone can substantiate that claim.

Believe me if people do start to actually look for the information they will be surprised at how easy it is to locate the evidence. I will let lasertaglover know why I am certain that no one has really investigated the situation. When someone does get the information they can check to see with lasertaglover about my reasoning so that no one can claim I am making up any excuses.

Let's get a going and find out whether or not flooding is more common and whether or not it is of greater intensity.

I will probably get into trouble for this, but sod it. So why are you still here then, haven't you had enough (int's) from people who want to get on with the Thread. Go join some scientific thread, and argue with them. You my friend are becoming a big fat, pain in the butt. simple..I'm with Hieineken. I enjoyed your video and I think you picked the right music. Cheers
E2a I agreed with most of your post's,You have some good points and information, but, don't you think it is time to move on. No offence intended.

edit on 20/1/2011 by lewtra because: not to offend



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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lasertaglover i wanna play ...i wanna play!!!!!

Mr Stereologist knows how difficult flooding is to be measured and monitored..else he would have posted some data dont you think , he seems to have a lot of spare time, and using his computer alot seems not bothering him

still Mr Stereologist i have some data to show hopefully and at last you can tell if you agree that major floodings are on the increase


its based on NASA images...

here we go

Heinken 1 Stereologist 0



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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thank you so much for enjoying it..i have to admit its been quiet a ride hehe...

but i dont regret it especially when i read post like your..and many other support i received from fellow members..(also behind the scenes) for which i thank them so much

and that few websites linked my video..makes me smile up to now

the truth and bottom line is... i dont see the world ending in 2012...else i would have quit my job..but i saw some interesting data...and would like to receive answers since the best answer yet so far is Mass Animal Suicides...also

ITS SCIENTISTS FAULT!!!

they keep on warning us about solar flares..then super volcanoes, then earthquakes, pole shift, ice age..

and so when you see things on the increase and close to 2012...you must be an authentic sheep to not raise awareness once no one is coming forward with explanations



edit on 20-1-2011 by heineken because: (no reason given)
edit on 20-1-2011 by heineken because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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I'm not very good with abbreviations. What is an int, other than an integer?

Isn't this thread about a video and the contents of that video? Isn't a claim in that video that floods are becoming more numerous? A while back the news was about shark attacks, and then there was the bad corn harvest, and there was discussion of oil prices, and there was the impact of volcanic eruptions, and ... Lots of fear mongering was tossed out on each of these issues.

Why is it so hard for people to actually spend a few minutes trying to figure out if flooding is more common or more intense or both?

I suspect you have taken the path of greatest sloth and want to avoid the few dozen keystrokes that will lead you to an answer. Please show all of us if heineken's claim is correct. I believe you can do it. In fact, I'd be rather surprised if you couldn't do it. Don't get me wrong. I am voting a big thumbs up that you will do it.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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That is awesome! I am impressed. Even though the data is from a single country it does cover a long period of time and shows a pattern that is hard to dispute.

This is not what happened in January or the last few days or speculation that something might happen in the future.

I have to admit that I was not thinking along these lines and have personally learned a very interesting way to investigation the question of whether or not flooding is increasing.

Cheers!



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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That's a great start heineken. Do we have some more data here so that we can compare the events from 1985 to other years to see if there is an increase. This image shows us how amazing floods can be. I am simply awestruck by size of these flood zones. They are actually visible from space. That's frightening when you thinking about the people that were at these floods.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
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That's a great start heineken. Do we have some more data here so that we can compare the events from 1985 to other years to see if there is an increase. This image shows us how amazing floods can be. I am simply awestruck by size of these flood zones. They are actually visible from space. That's frightening when you thinking about the people that were at these floods.


frightening when you thinking about the people that were at these floods...really since when you care?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:14 PM
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aaaa do you think its still my turn to play???



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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I was really into the Hurricane watch thread from last year a lot, so without jumping into the argument (cause the hostility is leaning the other direction now), I will just continue to provide historical and current information as I have time.

For current US Flooding information, here is a link to NOAA's site and example of the map imagery that they use:

www.noaa.gov...



www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov...



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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frightening when you thinking about the people that were at these floods...really since when you care?

You can put on airs claiming that I don't care about people and that speaks about you more than me. The fact is that making such comments in no way gets around to the issue of whether or not floods are more common or more destructive or intense or whatever you want to call them.

So far we've seen lasertaglover show a clear pattern of increasing damage in the US. You have showed that global records exist back to 1985. That's a good start on the research.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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Although I have termed floods as local issues it is amazing to see how large a flood area actually is. These are stupendous images. Thanks to all for contributing.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
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frightening when you thinking about the people that were at these floods...really since when you care?

You can put on airs claiming that I don't care about people and that speaks about you more than me. The fact is that making such comments in no way gets around to the issue of whether or not floods are more common or more destructive or intense or whatever you want to call them.

So far we've seen lasertaglover show a clear pattern of increasing damage in the US. You have showed that global records exist back to 1985. That's a good start on the research.


i dont feel at ease when you are friendly..not used to it you know what i mean

i was expecting you to provide some data that they arent

i have found more but im going offline in minutes..i will upload them tomorrow..so half time score is 2-0 for us



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
 


Although I have termed floods as local issues it is amazing to see how large a flood area actually is. These are stupendous images. Thanks to all for contributing.


Who are you and what have you done to stereologist?
edit on 20-1-2011 by sinohptik because: even more clarity!



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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I suspect you have taken the path of greatest sloth and want to avoid the few dozen keystrokes that will lead you to an answer. Please show all of us if heineken's claim is correct. I believe you can do it. In fact, I'd be rather surprised if you couldn't do it. Don't get me wrong. I am voting a big thumbs up that you will do it.

I don't have to, I think you have come to realize the scale of what H has put across, it ain't perfect, but his heart is in it, do you see.

'int' = Hint



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Just a guy who likes to play laser tag


In reality, IMO, civility, when used, is the only real thing that seperates us from the rest of the animals on the planet. I know that statement in itself is very arguable, but all of our vaunted technology pales in the scope of such power as Yellowstone, a solar CME, the New Madrid fault line, tons of other Earth forces, and our own reckless path of self-destruction.

Civility is the key to everything. I firmly believe that when properly deployed, respect is the true key for our species. If (and I hope I offend either side here) Demo-rats and Re-punk-licans could simply be civil, imagine what could be done. If the countries involved in wars right now around the world engaged each other with respect for just a minute, imagine how many wars could be stopped, or prevented. And most importantly to me, over honestly anything else in my life, if we as a species could learn to respect our planet, we would not be having this discussion at all and the fierce debate over animal deaths and flooding, and other scary issues might not be happening.

But NO! We choose to build our largest cities on top of fault lines, and next to volcanoes, or in the middle of flood plains. We pollute and burn and harm our home in every way imagineable.

Our arrogance makes go 'WOW', animals are dying everywhere and cities are under water.

It is because of how concerned I am for our current situation, just like so many other people in this thread and elsewhere on ATS, that I choose to point out truths to people in the most civil way possible. When hostility takes over a thread like this one, that I believe is really important because it deals with our great Mother Earth, it quite frankly, really, really, really pisses me off.

I don't care about the this thread in particular (no offense OP), but rather, it is the issue that is critically important to me.

Through civility, I hope that both sides can simply discuss these severe Earth forces with an open mind.

How did I do it? Civility.

Ok, sorry for the rant, and I am jumping off my soap box now.

Jedi powers de-activated



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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I dont wish to steal your thunder

But because of the quoting system, it bolds the name of who the quoted person was talking to in the original post. meaning, i was speaking directly to stereologist himself, but he was quoting you. looks like my clarity edit didnt do so much good
ill change that

edit: and a good quote regarding what you are saying is; "The best way to control a population is have them fight amongst themselves"
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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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I only post here on ATS every few months, so take all of my thunder you like. You allowed me to rant a bit about how important I feel this thread is, and I do believe it was his and mine civil conversation that is helping to move this thread in a constructive direction.

Does anyone here from other countries have data like I presented concerning floods? There was obiously a clear pattern in the US, please provide if you can.

Cheers

and by the way Heineken, I just had that toast I mentioned to you in your honor. Thanks again for the video, and when are you going to make another?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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Earlier I was trying to get people to show some evidence for a claim. It strengthens an argument to go beyond the speculation and to show that there is good reason to accept a position. I think you may be excited about any date that you find. Not sure about that, but that is my opinion.



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